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A Ron Artest Review — The Soap Opera So Far...

I've been trying hard to come to grips with the reality that one of my least favorite players in the NBA will soon be the newest member of the Los Angeles Lakers. "Truth hits everybody," a British bassist named Gordon Sumner once noted. True words and I've been feeling it, let me tell ya...

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I thought about it and my dream was broken
I clutch at images like dying breath
And I don't want to make a fuss about it
The only certain thing in life is death 
Take a look at my new toy 
It'll blow your head in two, oh boy

Then an idea shook me — maybe I've got the man all wrong... What quicker, easier way to come to grips with the idea of "Crazy Pills" in purple and gold than to learn that he's actually a swell feller, just tragically misunderstood and libelously caricatured in the mainstream media? Such a situation would be a possibility, one would have to admit...

So I decided to tackle the question head-on: Is Ron-Ron really the jackass that I thought he was? Or have I somehow been led by the nose by crappy pack journalism to an erroneous understanding of the man — a bogus stereotype having little to do with reality?

I poured myself an icy rocks glass full of Glenfiddich 12-year-old and started to dig, hoping for the best but expecting the worst. Just who is this Ron Artest fellow, really? Is he truly as baggage-laden and damaged as he appears to be at first glance? 

Click on through to learn more about our new pal Ron...

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Ron-Ron Growing Up.

Ronald William Artest, Jr., was born November 13, 1979, in Queens, New York. That makes him 29 to you and me. Despite the fact that he's been in the league and in the news for a decade, he is not old and washed up, but rather a young man in his prime. From whence did he spring?

Young Ron grew up in the projects in the Queensbridge Houses, a complex of 96 multi-story buildings located north of the 59th Street Bridge — New York's oldest public housing project. Life was not easy for the Artests and the family, including 6 siblings and 2 nephews, lived crammed into a two bedroom apartment.†§ One sister died soon after birth of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.§

Ron's father, Ron Senior, was a former Golden Gloves boxer and worked as a general laborer for various companies in the city; his mother a bank teller.‡ At some point in their relationship, Ron's father allegedly began hitting his mother and the marriage fell apart, with Ron Senior departing to live in an apartment of his own nearby.†

Artest-story1_mediumRon-Ron had difficulty managing his temper from an early age. One day a boy cut him in line at the school cafeteria. Ron grabbed the boy by the throat. When an older cousin taunted him on the playground, Ron knocked him out. At the age of 8, Ron Junior was sent by his parents to anger-management therapy at the behest of worried teachers.§

Young Ron's world was a violent and drug-laden place but he participated in two of the primary escapes: hip hop music and sports. Ron-Ron exhibited some skill in each, albeit more in the latter than the former. Ron Junior developed his chops on the playground playing one-on-one against his father. 

"We were so competitive," Artest later recalled to a reporter. "I wanted to beat my dad so badly. Once I was 15, he couldn't beat me again." Pickup basketball games in the 'hood were physical affairs, marked by hard fouls and fistfights, in which tall and strong Ron Junior more than held his own.‡ The "Blood — No Foul" mentality of inner-city basketball blacktop still marks Ron Artest's game to some extent — a CYO-trained player he is not.

Basketball proved to be the big escape for Young Ron, and he was enlisted at the LaSalle Academy in Manhattan, where he emerged as one of the city's top hoopsters. He was McDonald's All-American and the Co-Player of the Year in New York City and the state of New York as a High School Senior.∆ Artest was also notable as a young man of his word: at one point he turned down a trip to Paris in order to maintain a prior engagement with a wheelchair basketball benefit.‡

Basketball scouts made note of the muscular 6'6" athlete and after the usual recruiting hoopla to which young stars are subjected, Ron-Ron eventually landed at St. John's University in New York, where he majored in mathematics [!!!].∆  Artest played 2 years at St. John's as a swingman, averaging 13.1 points and 6.3 rebounds in the 1997-98 and '98-99 seasons.¶ During his tenure at St. Johns, the Red Storm posted a 50-19 record.

Even as a collegiate athlete, Ron Artest was known for his aggressive defense. One scout noted at the time: "Artest is not a tremendous athlete, but he knows how to play the game, is a great leader, and defense as good as his is hard to come by in a college player these days. His size may be a question mark, as he'll be smaller than most small forwards a t 6'6" and is more bulky than most as well. The other potential problem for Artest is that he does not do any one thing exceptionally well other than defend."ß

 

Young Player in the NBA.

Ron Artest was the 16th pick of the 1st Round of the 1999 NBA Draft, the selection of the Chicago Bulls. Others in his draft class included Elton Brand, Lamar Odom, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Rip Hamilton, André Miller, Shawn Marion, Corey Maggette, and Devean George.

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Artest played a total of 175 games for the Bulls over 2-1/2 years, the bulk as a starter, averaging about 12.5 points and just over 4 rebounds per game. The Bulls were a terrible team during Artest's years, winning no more than 21 games in any season; and Artest was a controversial figure, breaking cameras and negatively impacting team chemistry.∫

As one biographer has noted of his time with the Bulls, Ron Artest "could often be kind and generous, chatting with homeless people, giving encouraging talks to school groups, and impulsively making large donations of cash. His bad temper, on the other hand, was well known; he shouted at his teammates and got into fights on the court. Yet again, he showed a crazy streak, wearing a court jester hat during team road trips."‡

Finally, the Bulls had enough. Midway through the 2001-02 season, Ron was traded by Chicago to the Indiana Pacers along with Ron Mercer, Brad Miller, and Kevin Ollie, in exchange for Jalen Rose, Travis Best, Norman Richardson, and a 2nd Round draft pick.

Artest's move to Indiana was marked with a serious medical problem. During the summer, Ron underwent an operation to correct a heart murmur and seal a hole between his aorta and pulmonary artery. He rushed back prematurely, against doctor's orders, and was forced to go home when his heart began pounding furiously — only to come back again the next day.† Fortunately, Artest's heart issues have not been a recurring problem, although he has never played more than 76 games of any season since he has entered the NBA.

The mercurial Artest was quickly picking up a reputation for his hot temper and emotional instability. In 2003, at a game at Madison Square Garden an enraged Artest smashed camera gear valued at $100,000. Artest drew a total of 6 suspensions for his actions during the 2002-03 season and another 2 during the 2003-04 campaign.‡ This rap became national news early in 2003 when ESPN: The Magazine ran a cover story on him entitled, "The Scariest Man in Basketball."

Despite all of this bad publicity, Ron's efforts on the court steadily improved in effectiveness. The 2003-04 season was a breakout year for Artest, in which he averaged 18.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 3.7 assists per game for the Pacers, starting in 71 of 73 games played.∆  The young man seemed to be a budding star in spite of his inner demons and sometimes uncontrollable temper.

The denouement came on November 19, 2004, in a game against the Detroit Pistons. Artest biographer James Manheim recounts the action:

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The trouble started when Artest fouled Pistons player Ben Wallace in the final minute of the game. Wallace responded with a two-handed shove that sent Artest stumbling backward toward the scorer's table. That might have been the end of it; Artest leaned backward against the table and playfully donned a headset belonging to a radio broadcaster. But then a fan threw a full drink cup at Artest, hitting him near the neck. He instantly leapt several rows into the stands, trading punches with fans along the way, and he was joined by O'Neal and teammate Stephen Jackson. Pistons fans responded with a shower of debris that included a chair, and many present, including Pacers coach Rick Carlisle, feared for their physical safety. Police and guards finally restored order as Artest was dragged from the court. ‡

NBA Commissioner David Stern responded to the near-riot with the most draconian punishment in league history: Ron Artest was suspended for one year, a penalty which cost the hot-tempered forward some $5 Million in salary. Artest also faced criminal charges for his role in the melee.‡

 

After Auburn Hills.

The November 2004 incident at Auburn Hills marked the nadir of Ron Artest's career. Artest played just 7 games for Indiana during the 2004-05 season before being suspended. When he came back the subsequent year, the Pacers were eager to cut ties with the troubled young SF and Artest was left in limbo.

Ron-Ron quickly became a distraction, telling the Indianapolis Star in December 2005 that he disliked playing for Pacers coach Rick Carlisle and that he felt he could not reach his potential with the team. This public criticism prompted Pacers' President Donnie Walsh (now of the New York Knicks) to respond that Artest would no longer practice with the team. "I do think it is a time to see if he can get a new start somewhere else," Walsh said, adding "I think that it is important for us to put our past behind us and stop these distractions."∂ Artest was effectively suspended with pay while a deal sendng him from Indiana was negotiated.

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Artest's next stop was in Sacramento, where he started in 40 games for the Kings to finish the 2005-06 season. He stayed in the Central Valley for 2 more seasons, appearing in 70 games in 2006-07 and 57 games in 2007-08. During his final Sacramento campaign, Artest averaged an impressive 20.5 points per game, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.5 assists in an average of just over 38 minutes of game action.

Trouble off the court plagued Artest during his Sacramento stay. In Feb. 2007, Placer County sheriff officials seized Artest's pet Great Dane, accusing him of failing to feed and care for his pet — an accusation for which, had he been prosecuted and convicted, Artest would have been subject to a fine of up to $20,000.€ The dog was placed under a veterinarian's care. Artest blamed the problem on the failure of someone he hired to take care of the dog while he was on the road to perform the agreed-upon task. Artest said that the food had not been separated as it was supposed to have been and that a bulldog had eaten the food intended for the Great Dane.€

On March 5, 2007, Artest was arrested on a d omestic violence charge. According to Dana Erwin, a spokeswoman for the Placer County Sheriff's office, police responded to a 911 call to Artest's $1.85 Million home in Loomis, CA. "He and the female were in the house and separated," she continued. "The deputies interviewed them and took Mr. Artest into custody."

According to press reports, Ron's wife Kimsha Artest told a sheriff's dispatcher that her finger was cut and her leg scratched during an altercation with her husband. She said he shoved her to the ground, slapped her and prevented her from making a 911 call. She added that she broke the windshield of the family's Hummer as Artest tried to drive away from the property.∞ Kimsha declined to press charges and her husband was subsequently released on $50,000 bond.∑

Despite his wife's refusal to press charges against him, the state chose to indict Artest under California law, however, and Artest wound up on the receiving end of a sentence of 100 hours of community service and a 10-day work project through the county sheriff's department. Ron-Ron was also fined $600 and ordered to get extensive counseling.∞

Artest was also suspended for 5 days by the Kings, finally being allowed back to the team after an earnest public apology. "I definitely stumbled by what happened with my family, and I step back as being a father and a husband, and I'm looking forward to the day when I can make that right," Artest declared. Asked if the controversy would affect his play, Artest responded in the negative, tellingly observing "That's not a problem. The hardest problem is everything else. Basketball, that's easy."◊

In 2008-09, Ron Artest landed in Houston in a contract year, in which he scored an average of 17.1 points and garnered 5.2 rebounds and 3.3 assists in an average of 35.5 minutes of game action. He helped lead Houston to the 2nd Round of the NBA playoffs, playing a key part in the team's Game 6 home win over the Portland Trailblazers.

 

Is Ron Artest Insane?

This question is not rhetorical or hyperbolic. Eric Adelson of ESPN: The Magazine wrote this:

Crazy. Ron Artest is crazy. Sometimes it is said with a chuckle: He crazy! Sometimes it is said in admiration: Mmm, mmm, dude is cray-zy. And sometimes it is said in a grave whisper: I think he might be crazy.

His high school coach: "A wild man."

His college coach: "Kind of scary at times."

An NBA teammate: "The court is 94 feet of therapy — for whatever's bothering him."

Look at the man. Watch him play. Watch him rip a phone out of press row, bust a blackboard, charge into a locker room after a loss and scream at his teammates, "Ain't nobody eating! Nobody deserves to eat!" Watch him hurl a TV monitor to the floor after a loss in New York and then smash a $100,000 camera to bits.

Listen to the man. Listen to him call himself unstoppable — and mean it; then call himself a loser — and mean it. Listen to him wonder aloud how he shut down Kobe and T-Mac and then wonder aloud why NBA players are so far beneath his expectations. Listen to him insist that if he were commissioner, he'd enforce a mandatory ejection for cussing "because kids are watching" but remove any punishment for punting a ball into the stands "because it's fun." Listen to him say this: "They better not put me in the All-Star Game. I won't shoot, but I'll dominate that easy game. I'll be playing hard defense. I'll be foulin'. I'll be flagrant fouling. Everyone will be like, 'What are you doing?' " *  *  *

What will Artest do next? Here's a guy whose unmatched defense and drive ratchet up as his first-place team improves. Here's a guy whose own father says, "I always thought Ron's temper would be his downfall in life." *  *  *  §

Is Ron-Ron actually nuts?

Well, is he?

We really don't know.

Sanity is probably a continuum rather than a dichotomy and this cat is way more "there" than "here" than most of us. Does that sound like a fair way to say it?

What is clear from the track record is that Ron Artest has a violent temper and problems with acting out when he loses it. All questions of hoop skill or basketball IQ aside — Artest is a man who walks the tightrope, capable of going apeshit and blowing up everything in a few inopportune seconds.

The Lakers will need to pay close attention to Ron Artest, even if things appear to be going swimmingly, because in Chicago, Indiana, and Sacramento alike, things ended poorly.

As for me, while I'm still trying to wrap my head around this guy being a Laker, I'm finally starting to warm up to the idea a little. He's damaged but not a complete asshole, I find myself thinking. Now that I know more about him I find myself wishing both him and the team the best — they're all gonna need it.

That and a little luck.

 

*  *  *  A D D E N D A  *  *  *

Lest we forget...


 

Footnotes.

† — "Ron Artest Biography," JockBio.com. < http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Artest/Artest_bio.html >

§ — Eric Adelson, "Scary Good," ESPN Mag.com. < http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol6no02artest.html >

‡ — James M. Manheim, "Ron Artest Biography — Took Up Basketball at Counselor's Suggestion, Applied for Appliance-Store Job." < http://biography.jrank.org/pages/2730/Artest-Ron.html >

∆ — Ron Artest Bio Page, NBA.com. < http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ron_artest/bio.html >

¶ — Jazzy J, NBA Mock Draft Scouting Reports. < http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1999_draft/Players/artest.html >

ß — Phil Nation, cited in < http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1999_draft/Players/artest.html >

∫ — Pete Treperinas, "Ron Artest, Team Killer," BleacherReport.com. < http://bleacherreport.com/articles/61749-ron-artest-team-killer >

∂ — "Indiana Pacers Allow Ron Artest to Leave," Girls Talk Sports.com. < http://www.girlstalksports.com/Basketball/NBA/Indiana-Pacers-allow-Ron-Artest-to-leave-20051216516/ >

∑ — Eric Fleming, "Ron Artest Arrested on Suspicion of Domestic Abuse," Associated Content.com. < http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/168947/ron_artest_arrested_on_suspicion_of.html?cat=17 >

€ — "Artest Blames Pet-Sitter For Animal Abuse Allegations," KCRA.com. < http://www.kcra.com/news/10956780/detail.html >

∞ — Associated Press, "Artest Sentenced to Community Service, Work Project," ESPN.com. < http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2859498&type=story >

◊ — Eric Fleming, "Ron Artest Apologizes on Saturday, Could Rejoin the Kings on Sunday," Associated Content.com. < http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/174469/ron_artest_apologizes_on_saturday_could_pg2.html?cat=14 >

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nice read

well he’s in LA where the spotlight never ceases, so he better be on his best behaviour. Kobe, LO (if he returns), and Phil gotta keep in check

he hasn’t won a championship yet, this could be his season of redemption

by RudeMood19 on Jul 4, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

who determines?

who determines which article gets posted on the front page?

by SimpleTruth on Jul 4, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Just a guess

But if you scroll to the bottom of this post you will see the names of the Authors and Beat Writers which have the ability to post their comments on the front page. As far as the funs who are neither we have the Fan Posts and the Fan Shots to the right.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 4, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi. Long time lurker, first time poster. Good, sobering reminder of this guy’s history. Some sites view this signing as a slam dunk without considering that this guy may do something crazy to get himself suspended for half the season. While watching the Lakers/Rockets series, though, I got the feeling that this guy now is understanding that their are boundaries not to be crossed. After getting a legit elbow to the neck area from Kobe, he talked to the officials, then got in Kobe’s face with the intention to get a T. He then got kicked out of the game based on nothing but his reputation. What was intriguing to me was that he had no intention of fighting, but kept his hands down and did the ‘close kissy face’ intimidation thing that NBA players do when they don’t want to back down but don’t want to fight(see that Alston/House thing for a borderline romantic example). In the post-game interviews, he had a playful attitude with the press, like ’Ya’ll thought I was gonna do something, didn’t you?’

A few games later he got kicked out again on reputation for a flagrant 2 that no one, not even the Lakers, thought he deserved(I actually felt a bit sorry for him a bit). His time on the Kings and Rockets had no significantly crazy on-court incidents, and he got along fine with his Houston teammates, guys with underdog winning attitudes who didn’t go through games assuming they would lose. I’m optimistic that his worst days are behind him, and Kobe can look down the bench and always see someone else who has fire in his eyes.

by Thud on Jul 4, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

High Risk — High Reward

Kupchak was in no position to be able to shuffle the deck, but at least a little credit to him that he didn’t just try to let it ride…

The Lakers MIGHT be considerably better. Or not.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 4, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Timbo I share your sentiments

about Ron Artest. I have never liked him, but now he is a Laker. What to do…what to do indeed? I don’t see him causing trouble on the Lakers, I don’t see him doing something stupid, and I see him being just as productive as Ariza. None of that changes the fact that I still do not like him, especially considering that he is replacing one of the classiest and hardest working guys in the league and my second favorite Laker behind Kobe.

I just hope that all fans currently singing his praise are prepared for the abuse from the media come playoff time. Abuse very similar to what we here at SS&R said about him when we played the Rockets. Good or bad, the man is an absolute lightning rod.

by Sideout11 on Jul 4, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lightning rod is exactly right.

As a fan also of the Dallas Cowboys, I can’t help but get the Terrell Owens feel with Artest. Whether Owens was causing trouble or not, he was a distraction to the team. And he was the scapegoat when things went horribly wrong. Hopefully, the team keeps winning championships and Artest doesn’t have to deal with being the blame for the demise of the Lakers.

At least Owens was never in trouble with the law. Artest has been. I don’t get the feeling that he’s a bad dude like Pacrat Jones, so he has hope.

Sorry for all the football references, it’s getting to be that time of year. Happy 4th to everyone.

by illcowboy on Jul 4, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The TO = Ron-Ron analogy is actually quite good...

An enormous talent, but very high maintenance and a little bit tweaked. The bridges are burned in magnificent flameouts every couple years or so.

I hope the Lakers have good fire insurance.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 4, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did Ron burn his bridges when leaving Sac or Houston? Doesn’t really feel like he left on a bad note. Am I missing something?

by intuitive on Jul 5, 2009 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So if we’re following the TO / Crazy Pills analogy, we should have no problem next year at least. TO always behaved and won over the fans the first year on a new team.

But to be fair, if my memory serves me correctly, there were no problems with Sacramento and Houston. I’m willing to take my chances with Ron.

by chrisbeomsuh on Jul 5, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's very true about the first year.

I just hope it’s okay after the honeymoon phase.

by illcowboy on Jul 5, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love The Football References...

And the T.O. comparison is definitely applicable. Though, with all due respect… as a Giants fan it’s admittedly hard to muster up much respect for the Cowboys… I think that the situation in Dallas with T.O. is much different than the one that Ron-Ron finds himself in with L.A. I, personally, love Terrell Owens; I would never want him playing for the Giants or Raiders, but he’s always been one of my favorites. Don’t ask me why. Wade Phillips is probably one of the wimpiest coaches in the NFL, and it’s obvious that he can’t, and couldn’t, handle a personality like T.O. Jerry Jones, too, is a massive enabler, so it’s easy for someone like T.O. to destroy that locker room; especially given the lack of leadership that team has on the roster.

Ron Artest has also been one of my favorite players since his time in Indiana. The Lakers are not the Cowboys… thank God. Phil Jackson has never been a wimp, and he’s not afraid to confront any player on the roster, regardless of star-quality. Also, unlike the Cowboys, the Lakers have genuine leaders. Fisher and Kobe won’t let Ron step out of line; Odom, given his relationship with Artest, probably won’t be afraid to reign him in, either. And I’d like to think that Ron knows this. He’s been around for awhile, and sewn more than his fair share of wild oats. He realizes that this is the best chance he’s ever had to win a championship, and I expect him to be on his best behavior.

by 5_Giant_Raider_Clipper_Laker_13 on Jul 5, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Leadership is definitely a valid point in this discussion

Wade Phillips is a helluva X’s and O’s coach, but, I agree, I don’t see him as a leader of men and the Cowboys had no one to stand up to him. Honestly, I think TO’s biggest problem with the Cowboys is that he’s not as productive anymore. He had three good games. That said, I’m glad the circus has left town with him, Pacrat and Tank. (And that sorryass S Roy Williams.)

Phil Jackson cut Rodman loose once it wasn’t working anymore, so I don’t see him putting up with garbage. You’re right, Odom could be the key.

The comparison I draw between the two is that when their minds go on a little bender, they are tough to reign in as you said. That’s my concern. TO’s stay in Dallas wasn’t as bad as at Philly. Artest has been a little less trouble at each stay. I’m hoping it’s just maturity issues with these guys and that Artest won’t be a negative issue in LA. If that’s the case, look out!

by illcowboy on Jul 5, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

TO was too much in Philly

As an Eagles fan (we can still be friends?), I had a firsthand experience with the whole TO situation. TO is about as bad as they come and to compare him to Ron is unfair. In my opinion, Ron is a bit crazy and a very misunderstood while TO is just a jackass.

I’m not too worried about Artest coming to LA. He knows the situation he is in: if he wants a ring, he can’t afford to cause any problems. He’ll play physical defense and knock down the open 3.

by chrisbeomsuh on Jul 6, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Artest is a pretty calm dude these days – it’s his play on the court that has started to decline. He’s lost a lot of his lateral quickness and sometimes the switch flips into “gunner” mode.

I like his interviews.

by Cablinasian on Jul 4, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

oh, and a hearty rec. fantastic work. You need to write more Blazer content. don’t fall to the dark side.

by Cablinasian on Jul 4, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuff, Timbo. Really well put together.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Jul 4, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Aww shucks, Annie...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 4, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

<3

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Jul 4, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Ron's misunderstood.

He says the strangest things, but I think he’s misunderstood both as a player and as a person.

I hope Lakers fans will stop calling him “Crazy Pills,” show the guy a little respect at least.

He’s a Laker now, we should all support him, instead of deriding the poor guy.

In a way, he kinda reminds Lamar.

Some LA fans like to call LO, Odumb whenever LO makes his usual “boneheaded” plays. I hate it and I never get why fans say stuff like that. LO comes with his usual ups and down and so will Ron.

So, great article Timbo!

I’ll miss Ariza very very much and I wish to heck he would have been a Lakers4Life and I wish him the best of luck in Houston, and I hope losing him won’t come back to haunt us, but I’m looking forward to seeing how Ron will fair with the rest of the Lakers and how this season will pan out for the team.

Hopefully it’ll end with another championship. If there’s one guy in the league that I feel deserves one, it’ll be Ron Artest. He gets labeled a lot of stuff (usually negative) and you’d like to see players prove their critics wrong.

I’m hoping Ron will prove all his critics wrong (including myself).

Control yourself
Take only what you need from it

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 4, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing like Lamar

Lamar might occasionally throw the ball away, miss an easy layup, or just come out slow for certain games, but these are all very forgivable offenses. The problem with Artest isn’t his play, it’s his attitude. You know that you will get great defense and toughness out of him plus some scoring, but it has proven to come with suspensions, off-court troubles, and bad team chemistry, as Timbo pointed out above. These are much more egregious offenses that can really cost a team.

I know a lot of people are pointing to last year in Houston as proof that Artest is a new and responsible person, but a leopard does not change its spots overnight and one contract season does not a basketball player make. I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that things would have turned out differently in Houston for Artest had McGrady stayed healthy (less shots/importance=less cooperation)

by Sideout11 on Jul 4, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that things would have turned out differently in Houston for Artest had McGrady stayed healthy (less shots/importance=less cooperation)

That’s a big assumption.

by intuitive on Jul 5, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I stand by it

Houston did not have strong enough personalities to keep Artest in check if he became unhappy. The Lakers do (Phil, Kobe, Fish, and even Lamar)

by Sideout11 on Jul 5, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing I like about getting Artest

is that he didn’t end up at a place like Cleveland.

by chrisbeomsuh on Jul 5, 2009 6:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for this Timbo.

I know I needed an Artest refresher course.

by Darkemans on Jul 5, 2009 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Sanity is probably a continuum rather than a dichotomy and this cat is way more “there” than “here” than most of us.

Well concluded, I think he probably fluctuates on this spectrum more than most

Dictated, not read. The management.

by Samsara on Jul 5, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember watching that Pistons-Pacers brawl: the funny thing is, although I am a Pistons fan I could understand why Artest went into the stands like that, without condoning it. Players have to take all kinds of s*** from the fans of the home team, and while some people say yeah, that’s why they’re getting paid a lot, I say that’s bull****. You don’t treat people like animals.

Having said that, I have serious misgivings about this trade. Kobe worked so hard to get his aggression against his teammates under wraps, and only then did he start to become a real leader. Does Artest have it in him to do the same thing? Does Artest have it in him to listen to Kobe when Kobe decides he wants to do half of the coaching? What is he going to say about LO’s occasional slack on defense, or Farmar’s occasional shooting slumps? What is he going to say towards crunch time, when he feels like the ball should be in his hands instead of Kobe or Gasol’s? Remember, this is the guy who carried Houston through the last part of their season and the playoffs — he doesn’t have it in him to consider himself a second, much less third option.

Some folks compared him to TO in Dallas. But a more apt analogy would be AI in Detroit the past year. He had a lot to say about team-first basketball, playing the coach’s philosophy, putting the failed promise of Denver behind. Then what did he do? Detroit was terrible this year, and the only times they went on win streaks was when he wasn’t starting. It’s just too bad that Ariza had such a stupid agent. Imagine, going to a lottery bound team for the same amount of money??? That has incompetence written all over it.

by j-head on Jul 5, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I watched that video of Auburn Hills for the first time in a long time last night...

A few things jumped out at me.

1. The instigator of the whole incident was Ben Wallace, who WAAAAAAAAY overreacted to an ordinary hard foul by Artest.

2. Artest going into the stands was stupid, but it was a reaction. Once in the stands, the guy that was most culpable was Stephen Jackson, who came in AFTER and threw a roundhouse right on a fan, as opposed to Artest’s pushing and grabbing…

3. Artest[’s worst action was throwing the overhand right which flattened a fan coming towards him on the court.

It’s funny how Artest is the one we think of in this incident, rather than Ben Wallace, who started it all…

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Getting to your post, I don’t think that the question of “will he listen to Kobe when he decides to do half the coaching?” is probably a big issue… There was just a big interview with Blazer SF Nic Batum from a French magazine that was up on the Bedge and it was pretty fascinating a few of his observations as a new rookie. Here’s the snippet that caught my eye:

Reverse magazine: Roy is the leader?

N.B: Yeah, he speaks a lot. Him and Aldridge are the two who speak the most, with Blake. But Roy is super good. No, “super good” is not enough… (he laughs). Since the beginning he impresses me. He’s very [fluid]: left hand, right hand, all in control. Im-pres-sive. And in the team he speaks a lot, at Halftime or time-outs before the coach.

If you’re like me, you saw the Spike Lee Kobe documentary and thought — wow, that’s really weird… Where does a player get off “coaching” before the coach? Kobe would go-go-go, diagram, describe, recount, instruct, plan…. And then the $10M coach would say, “Remember your fundamentals, guys, play in control” or some vapid platitude like that and the time out would be over…

And now here is Nic Batum intimating that it’s very similar in Portland — and by extension elsewhere around the NBA.

So I would argue that Artest is not going to be put off by Kobe’s floor generalship since (a) he is an MVP; (b) he knows the system inside out and backwards; and © because star players taking such a role isn’t exceptional, it’s the norm.

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While I’m at it, here is what Batum had to say about guarding Artest and Kobe in his interview (Batum being the Blazer’s top perimeter defender, a la Battier, Bowen, etc.):

Reverse magazine: You defended Artest. Was it hard?

N.B: The dude weighs more than 110kg. He’s very tough, strong, [fit], he’s everywhere. And he’s a real player. Maybe not elegant but he scores. He’s very hard to stop. He always drive left but he’s so strong… And he’s a real defensive player. Nevertheless he had difficulty [playing the Blazers in the playoffs]. He said so: “Roy is the best player i played against”. It was fun. Craig Sager told him “And LeBron? And Kobe?” “No I didn’t say LeBron and Kobe, i said Brandon Roy!” (laughs).

Reverse magazine: Others players have impressed you this season?

N.B: The two [maniacs], LeBron and Kobe. What’s annoying with Kobe is that he can shoot from everywhere. Lebron less — with him it’s physical, he’s gonna drive, he’s gonna shove you— but Kobe, he’s shoot from everywhere.

Reverse magazine: What are the staff instructions when you defend on Kobe?

N.B: First, don’t let him warm up. Early you need to break his rythm. He will score 25 anyway but he can’t have 50. LeBron, you need to bring him to the baseline on the left and let him shoot. On the right side you’re dead. But Kobe, I’ve been told not to orientate him, stay in front on him, you can’t do anything else. If you give him space he’s gone. Same for Wade, he’s too fast, with the best first step i’ve ever seen.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 5, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

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