The Credits 7/27/09
by wondahbap on Jul 27, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
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We're still waiting on LO to wake up and smell the Pacific Ocean breeze. No news yet, but the prevailing thought is the the longer the negotiations take, LO will eventually sign with the Lakers, since it's best for him. I disagree. The longer this process last, the less the Lakers will want him.
Not only would they save $18-20 million depending on which offer is still on the table (if it is), but remember last summer. The Lakers were supposedly exploring trading Lamar for....you guessed it, Ron Artest. Well, guess what? We have Artest. On the cheap. But here's the thing, if the Lakerswere willing to trade LO for Artest last year, even before Trevor Ariza became Trevor Ariza, then were willing to let Ariza walk, because they could sign Artest this summer, doesn't it mean they got what they wanted all along. For nothing. Word was they didn't take the Kings deal because of Kenny Thomas' contract was in the deal as well. Not only did they get the player they wanted for the past 3 years, but the very player they were going to trade him for may save them $18-$20 million by his stubbornness to take the best deal. A player who can take us to another level, but let's face it, was asleep for half of the Playoff games in 2009. (I don't say that to knock Lamar at all, but the FO has to be considering this when Odom stalls for more money.) It's a win/win situation for the Lakers FO, and I fear that they did lower the offer, hoping he passes, while we wait and debate what is going on. No news is bad news, and I'm officially preparing myself for Lamar Odom's departure.
Here are today's Links:
- News and notes as the waiting continues | Lakers Blog | Los Angeles Times
One thing I do like is the borderline radio silence coming out of both camps. It's frustrating for people on the outside, but the less this gets played out in the media the more likely Lakers fans get the outcome they want (assuming said outcome is a return to the Lakers for Odom). - Lamar Odom gives Miami a look - Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
There's a distinct possibility Lamar Odom(notes) could be a member of the Miami Heat soon enough, and I can't help but feel a tinge of sadness at that thought. There is certainly nothing wrong with Odom heading to the Heat as a free agent. It's just that, as basketball fans, the whole mess that led to Odom rocking off to South Beach feels like an incredible disappointment. Like the couple that everyone deems the cutest, splitting up after a row regarding what name to give the new dog. - Heat Playing Waiting Game with Odom - Bethlehem Shoals - The Baseline - Sporting News
How important is Lamar Odom to the Heat? Ask Dwyane Wade's Twitter, and the parade might as well have started already. The Odom parade, that is. Check it: "I'm in LA to bring odom bac to miami with me lol lol lol. LA fans dnt get mad at me.." [sic x1000]. But over at The Sun-Sentinel, Ira Winderman paints a far more complicated picture. One where Riley is trying to wait out Lakers on one hand, yet also exercise patience when it comes to other free agents like, say, Allen Iverson. Odom is the equilibrium upon which rests the entire universe. - Odom to Miami? Don’t bet on it - Lakers blog - OCRegister.com
The talk (at this moment) is Lamar Odom is "leading strongly toward accepting" a 5-year, $34 million deal from Miami. From conversations I’ve had, I’m convinced that those reports are nothing more than agent posturing. Even the fact Pat Riley flew to Los Angeles this weekend still doesn’t change the fact Odom wants to remain with the Lakers. (The Heat president owns a house in L.A.) Ramona Shelburne of the L.A. Daily News said that "theories and facts change from day to day." But the belief among those who know say Odom will remain in Los Angeles and will make it official soon.
More Lakers and NBA related Links after the Jump. Click on through...
- 20 Second Timeout: When Did Kobe Bryant Really Become a Team Player?
I just read an interesting article about Kobe Bryant; the tag line declares in part, "Kobe Bryant has grown into a consummate team player." The writer adds, "Not only does he score, but he also initiates the Lakers' attack and has developed into a fierce defensive stopper" and he quotes Larry Brown, who calls Bryant "a model" of what an NBA player should be. One of Bryant's teammates says of Bryant, "He doesn't make his game a personal game anymore. You don't see him doing the things on the floor that used to get him in trouble and get us in trouble." That teammate also asserts that Bryant made a greater effort to mingle with his teammates away from the court but Bryant disagrees with that: "If you ask me, I acted the same way my first few years, but for some reason the perception is different this year. If I'm doing something that makes them feel more comfortable around me, then I'm happy about that." This is all stuff that you have heard before, right? You bet you have heard it before--nine years before to be exact! Those quotes did not come from an article about the Lakers' 2009 championship; they come from a Sports Illustrated article that Phil Taylor wrote in April 2000, a few months before Bryant won the first of his four NBA championships! That is why it is so funny--and yet so sad
(That SI article is linked below.) - Erstwhile teen hot dog Kobe Bryant has grown into a - 04.24.00 - SI Vault
(Here's that article Friedman referred to.) - NBA Champion Shannon Brown: Will the Real Chris Brown Please Stand Up? -- NBA FanHouse
Besides his basketball skills, Shannon gets a lot of attention, especially from his teammates, because of his resemblance to singer Chris Brown. In this FanHouse exclusive we hear from Shannon, Josh Powell, Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic as they all tell us about the Shannon Brown - Chris Brown saga. - NBA.com: Relive Jackson's 10 championship-clinchers on NBA TV
With a 4-1 series win over the Orlando Magic in the 2008 NBA Finals, Phil Jackson became the NBA's greatest championship coach. Jackson, who now ranks first all-time with 10 championships, surpassed Celtics legend Red Auerbach for the top spot in NBA annals. Now you can catch all 10 of Jackson's Finals-clinching victories. Watch NBA TV on Monday starting at noon ET for a look back on all of Jackson's biggest victories. It starts with Game 5 of the 1991 Finals between Jackson's Chicago Bulls and the Lakers, which tipped off the first of two separate three-peats by the Bulls. It's only available on the 24/7 home for hoops -- NBA TV.
(Phil's Lakers games come on Tuesday.) - Resurgent U.S. Team Attracts Young Stars - NYTimes.com
Jerry Colangelo, the managing director of USA Basketball, beamed as he looked around a high school gym at a collection of America’s top young basketball players. With Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose and Greg Oden racing up and down the court, Colangelo said, "I feel like a proud papa."Krzyzewski said, "We’re way ahead of where a USA Basketball team has ever been, and we need to capitalize on that." Krzyzewski said subtle culture changes would take place. In the past, players would not try out for USA Basketball because they were afraid of the hit to their ego and image that being cut or being named an alternate would bring them. "If you develop this and we bring in 15 and 18 guys, it would be an honor to be an alternate," Krzyzewski said. - NBA.com: Ten players who helped their stock at Team USA mini-camp
- Many Called, Few Will Be Chosen For Team USA - Sean Deveney - The Baseline - Sporting News
- Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose try to make splash with USA Basketball - Chris Mannix - SI.com
LAS VEGAS -- There was a time, a time not too long ago, when the prospect of playing for the United States national team was considered a chore. Beginning in 2002 with the U.S.'s undignified sixth-place finish at the world championships and continuing in 2004 with their only slightly more acceptable bronze medal at the Olympics -- the first time Team USA had not won gold since professionals began playing in 1992 -- playing for the red, white and blue had lost its luster. Instead of embracing the opportunity to play for their country, American players began to fear it. One by one the NBA's heavy hitters balked at the chance to play. Antonio Davis, a member of the ill-fated 2002 team, called the U.S. jersey "the heaviest I have ever worn." Players publicly spoke of the enormous pressure they faced to win. - Bulls Block Luol Deng's British Play -- NBA FanHouse
- SLAM ONLINE | " Nets for Sale, BK in Doubt
Every time we link to another story on the Nets planned move to Brooklyn, I try to chime in with a negative comment, chiding the Nets’ owner for his land-grab of a move, and stating the increasingly obvious, that the Nets should leave the run-down Meadowlands Arena in the shadow of Xanadu, and move to Newark… I’ve never taken the time to do my own column on the topic, however. Thankfully, Steve Politi of the Star-Ledger did. A day after his colleague, Dave D’Alessandro, wrote the news story about how Ratner is trying to find investors (from Russia) to become part (majority?) owners of the team and then still shepherd them to a borough that doesn’t need them and much of which doesn’t want them, Politi let loose in Saturday’s paper with a calm and reasonable destruction of the Nets’ shady owner, who bought a basketball team for real estate purposes and is watching that investment crumble. - Politi: NJ Nets owner Bruce Ratner knows damage, not damage control - New Jersey Nets Basketball - NJ.com
(Here's the article Slam referred to.) - Marbury's career becoming world-wide waste - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Stephon Marbury's marathon video chat showed the former All-Star guard as a broken, lonely man.
(I couldn't help but think the same thing. If you saw it, you would wonder how any competent GM could sign this man.) - Has Allen Iverson Been Blacklisted? - Bethlehem Shoals - The Baseline - Sporting News
- We never really thought that Iverson would be jobless next season, right? I mean, even Marbury got a deal last year—with the Celtics, no less. And now, one of the most talented (if not most tractable) and defining players of his era could be out of a job. At least that's the way it's really, truly looking, as Yahoo! reports that the Grizz have lost interest and the Clippers are strongly leaning that way:
(They are putting this dog down, and he helped load the gun by complaining last season about coming off the bench, then "being" hurt for the reminder of the season. He didn't read between the lines, and most teams have a legitimate reason why they do not need an AI on their team, so he will have to learn his lesson. The man is still very talented, but he didn't bite the bullet, and politics are his problem now. The NBA wants a clean image. Iverson is/was the poster boy for the image problems the NBA suffered, and they want to wash their hands of him.)
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Odom to make decision by Tuesday
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
John Ireland is putting his reputation on the line and saying that Odom is signing with the Lakers
I hope he’s right
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jul 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No more than any ESPN reporter who always get things half assed.
At least Ireland is someone who should be in the know.
When the rumor first came out that Odom was signing with the Lakers for 40 mil for 10 years John Ireland was the first to come out on his blog to shot the rumor down and turns out he was right. He must have some insight into this whole deal with LO but then again I’m just being pesimistic and giving him the benefit of the doubt in hopes that he is correct about LO signing with the Lakers.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OH and here's a link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359259
I’m getting prepared also for Odom’s departure and this just goes to show Management don’t know what they are doing and they aren’t serious about giving the Lakers a real chance at repeating. Just watch when the Lakers lose this season I hope Kobe goes on a radio tour rampage.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I completely agree but I remain hopeful
I am not 100% sure what the actual amount that the Heat can offer but I have heard that it’s around 6 mil per year. The Lakers originally offered between 9-10 million per year depending on the amount of years that he chooses. Well, if Buss offered less that doesn’t necessarily means it’s worse. the difference between 6 and 9 million is a lot. there is a lot of room to work there. what if they will meet in the middle and in exchange give LO that fifth year he wanted. We just don’t know for sure.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll give you that we just don't know for sure
Hopefully Tuesday we will and its in our favor.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Umm. i think this shows that Lamar odom's agent doesn't know what he's doing.
The Lakers offered LO $9-10 million when no one else was/is, and even if it will really cost them $18-20 million.
How can you say that “his just goes to show Management don’t know what they are doing and they aren’t serious about giving the Lakers a real chance at repeating.” ?
With or without Lamar the Lakes should be the best team in the NBA. Having LO just ensures it.
Nah I say that because they have reportedly lowered that offer and who knows if they indeed offered that 9-10 mil
If I was management I’d give Odom what he wanted and thats it, not this back and forth saga so thats what I’m implying to they don’t know what their doing but who knows what actually went down so I can’t fault anyone if Odom leaves, unless I hear full details.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
If the lakers had not signed andrew bynum to that ridiculous contract after he had injured his knee and required surgery, we might have had lamar already by now and then let bynum become a restricted free agent.
That's a thought
If it wasn’t for Bynum’s agent (Ariza’s agent) crying about getting Bynum’s extension signed would be the case
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
SAY NO TO DAVID LEE
I’m sorry. I’m actually GLAD that the Lakers got Bynum out of the way, because can you imagine if the Lakers had to deal with David Lee not once, but TWICE this offseason?!
It’d be ridiculous.
We’d be hearing how the Lakers don’t appreciate Trevor Ariza AND Drew’s potential-despite-working-hard-and-doing-everything-the-Lakers-asked-and-beyond-but-failing-to-realize-his-client-was-injured-again-for-most-of-the-season.
I’m ambivalent to Drew’s contract. Sure, Drew definitely got paid more than what he should have earned last season, but the Lakers are banking on his potential and to be honest, there just aren’t that many good centers left in the league. Keeping Drew without any good free agent centers this summer was the smart move – but then again, it wasn’t like Drew had a breakout season either. Still, he shows promise, always around that time in January …
At any rate, I hope the Lakers won’t be hearing from David Lee any time soon. The guy’s a douchebag.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 27, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Drew was on the rookie scale for the 2008-09 season.
I think he deserved that much, even with the injury. His pay jumps to like $12m for the 2009-10 season. He still has a chance to prove he’s worth that. But I agree with everything else you wrote there.
This off-season would be much worse if we had to deal with Bynum as a restricted free agent. Imagine for a second if Detroit had put all their cap space towards him? It could have been a disaster, with the Lakers having to choose between letting him walk for nothing or signing him to a max deal. I think signing him to the extension was a really good move, even if he might make slightly more than he’s worth this year. But, again, we don’t know yet if Bynum will play to the level of his pay. He might even exceed it and look like a bargain at $12m.
The problem with the Lakers’ payroll is not Bynum’s contract or Kobe’s contract or Pau’s contract. It’s Sasha’s contract. He actually didn’t earn the money he was paid this past season. He earned maybe half of it at the most, probably more like a third. I’m pulling for Sasha, but the dude was overpaid. Maybe he can turn it around and earn his keep this year, but if not, that’s the contract fans should regret.
I agree with what you said. And Bynum is a gamble but he is a smart gamble.
It’s funny if you told me we would win the title with Bynum not 100%, VladRad gone and Sacha going 0-for-whatever in the finals I wouldn’t have believed it.
I am hoping that Sacha can get his head straight again and Bynum gets back healthy. If so, they will be a big help next season.
It's amazing how one healthy Trevor Ariza, a difference makes.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 29, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers need LO more than LO needs the Lakers
Before anyone blows their lid I need to explain. I am not referring in terms of ticket sales and legacy. I am referring to winning a Back to Back title. No Lakers fan wants to say it but I will: Without LO the Lakers will not win a title. At this time, there no player who can match the intangibles that he brings to the game. Every team in this off season is using the blue print that the Lakers used to build teams that could dethrone them. Meaning, the ability to bring a rebounding PF off the bench . If you don’t think so, look at the following froncourts for the top contenders and who they have added:
Spurs – Rartliff, McDyess, Duncan
Celtics – Perkins, KG, Rasheed
Magic – Gortat, D. Howard, Brandon Bass
Cavs – Shaq, Ilgauskas, Varejao
But here is why I think an Odom-less Laker team will not win a title. I believe it was a luxury and something we might be taking for granted the ability to bring LO off the bench. Did anyone notice how many minutes Bynum and LO played in the playoffs? Bynum on average played between 15-17 minutes while LO averaged between 32-36 minutes. The main reason was Bynum’s inability to stay out of foul trouble. Sure LO cam off the bench but he played starte minutes. If Bynum fouls out in the regular season or playoff are we to believe that Powell or DJ Mbenga can do what LO did by masking Bynum’s lack of productivity? Go back and look at the list of Froncourts I listed and tell me if Bynum, Gasol and Powell can beat either one of them. Not this upcoming season and defenitely not without LO. I will never stop rooting for the Lakers but I have to be realistic.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions
I totally agree thats why I say they should give the man what he wants
bottom line, this back and forth stuff sucks, if your that desperate to keep winning and give this team the chance to repeat then you would do whats neccessary and bring back Odom. Thats how I feel, I want to win and I would do whatever it takes to remain on top and from this saga you don’t get that feeling.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
My current take is that it's about 5-to-1 odds that LO returns to LA.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
i dont like those odds
im living in perfect ignorance and living by the words of john ireland. im most likely going to be crying by 2marrow night. the heat suck and dwade is in legal trouble and will leave after next year. odom wants to leave LA for all that drama? peace
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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Ha Ha maybe something Lakers can look into
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359580
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=50
Jonathan Bender ex basketball player who wants back in on the action, I don’t even know if he is any good but I’m over here endorsing him if Odom bounces.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Hell yeah the Lakers should look at this but I have one question
His profile says that he is 7 feet and has his position at SF. Shouldn’t he be listed at least as a PF?
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea I just saw it hopefully he can play.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
What?
So you want to endorse a guy who hasn’t been in the NBA for a few years because he wasn’t that good to play for the World Champion Lakers?
How could you write that?
I don't understand you question/comments
who hasn’t been in the NBA for a few years because he wasn’t that good
Somehow I don’t think you read the story and you are just assuming that the reason he was out of the league was because be wasn’t any good. What is madness is for someone to comment on something without getting the facts straight. Maybe try reading the story first then you can make an opinion on what you think is or isn’t madness. Or was the point just to disagree regardless of the facts or based on assumptions?
Besides, I don’t see anything wrong with a Laker fan making a suggestion about how the team could improve. I for one applaud that enthusiasm and I appreciated the story. I have seen much worse suggestions on this site but if it is meant to help my beloved Lakers than so be it.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I read the story.
But even if I didn’t, it doesn’t change anything. I know who Jonathan Bender is. I knew the type of player he was. I don’t jave to look up his bio or youtube “highlights.”
Of course, she can make suggestions, but it doesn’t help the Lakers at all to take a flyer out on a player who hasn’t played in a few years, because he was injured, AND wasn’t that good in the 1st place. We have a Championship squad, and if we have to replace LO, it should not be with a player who was either too injured to play, not good enough to play, or not good enough for a team to even explore in hopes of him getting healthy. He would be nothing but an end of the bench guy, and we do not replace LO with a roster filler.
You really took that personal for no reason. I wasn’t making assumptions because I know who the player is.
Contradicting yourself
Here are your comments and tell me that you are not contradicting yourself. On one hand you question someones opinion and then you say it’s ok to write what she did. Which is it?
How could you write that?
Of course, she can make suggestions
Now if you read everything is you wrote it is just your opinion so my point is that just as much as you have the right to have your thoughts and opinion so does anyone else. By the way, I defenitely didn’t take anything personal. But if someone challenges why I posted something or questions my point of view I will respond with logic. You have the right to disagree as do I.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
How is that a contradiction?
It’scalled sarcasm. It can be okay for her to express her opinion, and it’s perfectly okay for me to disagree with them.
Just like I disagree with your lack of faith in the Lakers should LO leave.
We agree to disagree
That is exactly my point of view about it being okay to disagree with someone’s point of view. Just as I am disagreeing with yours.
But i’m curious as to how you came to the conclusion with my “lack of faith in the Lakers”
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Must See!
I just saw his YouTube video. This guys was or is better than LO ever has been. This guy had the potential to be a hall of famer. This in my opinion is how I expected Bynum to turn out. wow! what a waste of talent.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions
True but
But to compare this guy’s you tube clips to LO’s this guy clearly would of been much better. Without a doubt.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 27, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
PURPLE,
Please tell me you are joking…
I just saw his YouTube video. This guys was or is better than LO ever has been. This guy had the potential to be a hall of famer.
“This is madness!”
Madness? Why?
This is just my opinion and It’s not meant to convince anyone of it. I said he “was” because who knows how good he is now. I’m not sure if you read the story but he has been training the last 6 months or so which is why I said “is” because who knows how good he is now. But from looking at the video this guy seems to me (again my opinion) that he played with more heart and was more athletic than LO has. But you are welcomed to disagree. No problem.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You claimed he was or is better than LO has ever been.
Jonathan Bender?
My quote was in jest. But it’s true. Saying that is madness.
He was never as good as LO and never would have been. You said this not knowing who he was and basing this off of a collection of youtube highlights. Of course, I disagree.
He was never as good as LO and never would have been
That is just YOUR point of view as are my comments.
You said this not knowing who he was
Again, with the assumptions. How do you know that I didn’t know who he was?
Either way, both of our comments are just opinions and it was a conversation that I was having with someone else. But it doesn’t change the fact that because my opinion is different than yours that it makes it incorrect or madness.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Your statements led me to believe you did not know who he was.
I think I’m right about that, but if I’m not, then hey.
I’m also pretty sure most of the NBA world would agree with
He was never as good as LO and never would have been
but like you said. It’s only my point of view….
In other news, how on earth did New Orleans fleece Charlotte?
Okafor for Chandler? Really? A semi-limited offensive center with good defensive skills for a completely limited offensive center except on dunks off pick-and rolls with good defensive skills? This reeks of a Larry Brown move to make a trade solely for the sake of making a trade. And NO even gets to save around $2 million in salary next year. Amazing.
Granted, it’s not going to change their projections from next year that much, but it is an improvement. Best strategy for NO at this point is to really limit Paul’s minutes (now that he has a solid backup in Collison), pray Armstrong develops into a halfway serviceable backup center, and that everyone can be somewhat healthy come playoff time.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
The odd thing about the deal is I thought New Orleans was tight on cash so why would they trade Chandler, who has 2 years left on his contract, for Okafor who has 5 years remaining on his? I think that New Orleans gets the better of the two players in the deal though.
Less money in the short-term
I believe NO saves around $2 million next year in salary and luxury tax payments.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
To expand on that
It’s a short-term play for cap relief that ended up being an upgrade. Plus, Okafor is much easier to trade than Chandler, as Chandler now has a rather poor reputation from OKC’s reversal of their trade for him earlier this year, so they can relieve themselves somewhere down the road of Okafor if finances dictate.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Charlotte Bobcats are up for sale.
Trading Emeka Okafor makes them a little bit more appealing for a potential because they rid themselves of a long-term deal. The Bobcats probably should’ve tried to get another player in the deal but the Hornets don’t have much in the way of young players. We all know Marcus Thornton would not have been available, and Darren Collison isn’t needed. This may help with re-signing Raymond Felton.
New Orleans made out big in this trade. Good move by them.
Does make sense
A potential buyer might not have wanted to deal with Okafor’s contract weighing down future payroll. It’s still mind-boggling that New Orleans literally won the trade on all fronts though — financially (in the short-term at least) and in a basketball sense.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Can Lamar accept donations?
How many Lakers fans would donate $10 bucks to a Keep Lamar Odom in LA fund?
There were at least 100K fans on the parade route and the coliseum. Let’s assume 60% are adults, if every adult pitches in $10 that gets us to $600K from 60K adults. There’s gotta be at least 20K adults who didn’t show up to the parade, so that gets us to about $800K. Would that be enough of a signing bonus for Lamar?
This is a very dumb idea, and I’m sure the league has dumb rules against dumb ideas like this, never mind the dumb people like me who should have better things to do at 1AM and should donate their time and money to things that actually have life or death consequences and concern the violation of human rights.
Cut me some slack, I want Lamar to stay in LA!
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lol i would
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I wonder if I'll regret this in the morning
But I just thought of a crazy idea that won’t harm anyone and combines two of my favorite things: Basketball and helping those in need.
I think it’s pretty easy to set up a donation account on Paypal.
So here’s the deal: I will accept any and all donations to the Keep Lamar in LA Fund. If Lamar ends up signing with Los Angeles, I will donate all of the funds, every single penny, to the charity of his choice (I guess I can ask through his Twitter account, which is verified). If he doesn’t sign with LA, all of the money will still go to charity -I guess we can have a vote here on SSR (or somewhere else if Josh doesn’t approve of this lame-brained idea).
How do you know all of the funds will go to charity? You will just have to trust me. I am blessed right now to have enough money that more is not going to make me any happier (It’s all mental). I also wouldn’t do something as douchey as taking funds that I have promised to give to charity. I will donate the funds within 30 days after his signing, and if Lamar is with the Lakers, the donation will be in his name, to the charity of his choice. If he doesn’t want to choose, we’ll decide with a vote here, just as we would if he signs elsewhere. I don’t anticipate that it should be too acrimonious to vote on a charity, but if it is, I’ll have final say as to which charity the money will go to (and it will be a credible one).
Now I almost hope this drags on, so we can collect the most donations!
Who knows, it might only be $15 bucks, it might be thousands, but however big or little, it will all go to a deserving charity.
I wonder if Stern will find someway to ruin my fun, which will be for a great cause no matter where Lamar signs!
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You can donate at http://goldenarmor.wordpress.com/ (it’s a blog I made a long time ago and stopped around when SSR came along)
Josh, if you don’t approve, feel free to delete this, I understand. I think it’s a great idea, but I know a lot depends on my trustworthiness.
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by Gils_Keloids on Jul 28, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Delete the above
This is what happens when he hatch lame brained schemes early in the morning. But please do donate to Lamar’s charity, Cathy’s Kids.
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by Gils_Keloids on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
*This is what happens when you hatch lame brained schemes ...
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by Gils_Keloids on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Its offical the dynasty is over
“the beginning..look who’s jersey is waitn for them in mia(no 7)”
http://twitter.com/dwadeofficial
http://www.peninsulaismightier.com/2009/7/28/966174/dwyane-wades-latest-lamar-odom?ref=yahoo
as you can see from that link its over. odom has signed with the heat and he will no longer be a laker.
i suggest everybody go to dwades twitter and like j.e skeets says “spit venom”
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This tweet cryptically refers to "the beginning"
Which could just be the time that Odom first played for the Heat with Wade.
The picture is one of Odom, Wade, Eddie Jones, Briant Grant, and Caron Butler.
I’ll believe it when it shows Odom, Wade, Beasley, and Udonis Haslem.
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by Gils_Keloids on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point
when i saw it i had this deep sulking feeling it almost ruined my whole day. lets hope odom never leaves and this is all just one long drawn out nightmare. like you said john ireland is putting his whole career on that bold statement that odom is coming back.
i didnt get to look at the picture it was down or something when i tried to look at it. d wade and his dirty games if i was kobe i would put an end to this
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13450
The Lakers new offer is said to be a three-year offer in the $25 million range with possible performance incentives included in the deal that could push it north of $27 million, if the Lakers reach the NBA Finals again.
by intuitive on Jul 28, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That's not too bad
Still reasonably good. He’d be earning $8+ million for those three years … it’s not as rich as the 3 for $27 million or the $40 mil for 4, but it’s still better than the Heat’s offer of MLE for 5 years.
Although, I wish the Lakers would give LO an option for a 4th year or 5th year, I think what could potentially make or break him resigning is the # of years the Lakers offer him. He wants stability, which NBA player entering their 30+ years wouldn’t want that? He has to think of his family and his future, so I understand why the Heat’s offer would look more enticing.
Agh, I think they need to reach a compromise, the Lakers need to understand that LO wants stability in the long run and LO needs to understand the market is dictating that he earn around $7-9 million a year.
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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 28, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point
I think everyone is tired of this and we either get put out of our misery or we begin to enjoy the summer. If he complains about the offer being less then he has himself and his agent to blame. His agent just cost him some money for wanting to play games and take the obvious choice of more money and the chance to be part of something big.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for posting that link
from what i read in there it makes it look like odoms coming back to the lakers for sure. after i saw dwades twitter this mourning i was worried. it looks like odom try to spin off that he would go to miami but his heart was in LA the whole time. you think just maybe the thought of leaving kobe,bynum,gasol,and luke walton was too much for him? hes been on this team forever, i watched before lamar was here and ill watch after lamar has left but odom is the man if he comes back
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Dwyane’s Tweets:
http://twitpic.com/bx8ft the beginning..look who’s jersey is waitn for them in mia(no 7)
posted 21 mins ago
Gaffney invited to training camp
http://www.gazettenet.com/2009/07/28/lakers-camp-beckons-exumass-star
The former University of Massachusetts big man’s numbers weren’t eye-popping in the NBA summer league, but the Los Angeles Lakers saw something they liked. The NBA champions invited the Berkley native and Northfield Mount Hermon graduate to their fall camp.
Gaffney’s father, who is also named Tony, confirmed the invite.
by intuitive on Jul 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is funny
I would at least like to see how good he is playing at this point or what kind of shape he is in. If you would of seen my earlier conversation with Wondahbap earlier and what one post of Bender led to.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would the Lakers want Bender? It makes absolutely no sense why we would want him. Players retire for a reason. Most players when they try to make a “come back” from retirement fail. After all players retire for a reason. Bender isn’t an upgrade over anyone on our bench
Bender was mediocre when he played in the NBA. Somehow I doubt, now that he’s older and probably slower, that he’ll start playing well. I mean why? We’d be better off playing Powell then playing Bender. When he was in the league he was injured almost all the time, and never played well. He’s not an upgrade over anybody on the bench. He’d be a waste of money (his salary would essentially be doubled for the Lakers because of being over the salary cap) and he’d take up a roster spot. He’s not even worth a roster spot, especially not on the Lakers.
Why wouldn’t they? The truth is that no one knows for sure how good he is or isn’t. I think that you are correct about the odds being against a player trying to make a comback. For him it was his injuries. But I would not be opposed to the Lakers at least taking a look at him. The Lakers have looked at Shelden Williams and various other options for LO. I think earlier the suggestion of him being a Laker was shot down also.
Also, I am sorry but he is and defenitely would be an upgrade over Sun Yue. I’m not sure if anyone went as far as saying the Lakers should sign him to a contract. I know I didn’t. But I think he at least should be looked at. I don’t think that would cost the Lakers anything or at least it wouldn’t effect their salary cap status.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you!
that is all I have been saying this whole time.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You never mentioned it was a camp invite, and an NBA veteran coming out of retirement accepting a training camp invitation sounds a little far-fetched. I highly doubt Bender would even accept a training camp invite, and why would we even want him. He was atrocious when he played in the league. Usually new upcoming players receive a training camp invite not guys trying to come out of retirement.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jonathan_bender/index.html
Those are underwhelming stats. What makes you think he would be any better now? He was bad then, chances are he still is.
not sure if you are speaking to me or E-ROC
but you are right I never mentioned a camp invite. Also, I don’t think he retired either. but if you are speaking to me, I never said he would be any better now. Not sure where I said that. I think that Lakers should at least look at him. Nothing wrong with that.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
are you seeking for his approval?
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This guys is really good defensively. He plays a lot like the Birdman from Denver
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
How Gaffney was converted from a Celtics fan to a "die hard" Lakers fan
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks good but he's too skinny he definitely need to hit the weight room
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Question
BrittneyM,
How can I add a quote and have it look grayed out just like your quote that comes out when you post a comment?
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Click your screen name at the top.
Then click “edit profile”. Then type in your quote in the “signature” section.
Easy
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Yes. Same great timing but less speed.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And Birdman SUCKS.
He’s a big hair side show who is terrible on defense, and only good for a weak side block a game and a few rebounds. He doesn’t do anything well, especially the thing he’s supposed to do well, rebounding, which is average. At best.
I wouldn’t take Birdman on the Lakers if he were free.
dam!
talk about taking it personal. Welcome back. Well that is just your opinion. I don’t think I said anything about the Birdman being all that great. I was saying that he has a similar game. Are you sure you are a Laker fan? Do you get like this everytime an opinion is different than yours? Seriously you sound like a little kid…lol Just look at your first comments:
And Birdman SUCKS.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 28, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
No. I am not taking it personal.
And I think you should stop with your pot shots like “Seriously you sound like a little kid” because I’m being very civil with you, but if you want to go down that road….
I think you’re taking this personal. I disagree with:
This guys is really good defensively. He plays a lot like the Birdman from Denver
Birdman is not good on defense. Birdman sucks. I let you know what I think about it. So why the hissy fit? I could care less if our views are different, and you have every right to disagree and express your difference in opinion. Do you always whine when someone disagrees with you?
Yes. I’m a Laker fan. A rational one. Who expects the Lakers to win it all with or without LO, not get scared by additions like Richard Jefferson or Rasheed Wallace, nor thinks that Jonathan Bender is worth the plane ticket it would cost to bring him to camp. Nor did I have to youtube him to find out who he is, then think some clips of him from 6 years ago show he could’ve been better than LO, and warrant an invite. But since yo feel that he shoulda coulda woulda been better than LO, and think we won’t repeat without LO, then maybe we should kick his tires. Right? Being a fan doesn’t mean latching on to any and every story put out there and thinking it’s a good idea.
from what ive seen and heard is
that its not a matter of choosing between lakers or heat, that all odom is waiting on is for the lakers to increase there offer, again from what ive seen and heard is that the lakers will not and have no interest to increase the deal.
So whats going to happen is that we will all wake up and be hit in the face with
“Odom signs with miami heat, misson candyland:accomplished”
in about a week-month,days,hours,weekends. it could happen at any time and odom will be gone.
i hope the gods of basketball prove me wrong but odom wants candy and the lakers dont have the right kind of candy they only got tootsie rolls and the heat have boxes of fruit roll ups, its a slam dunk for odom
that being said, odom is gone
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