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Why We're Not Freaking Out About Lamar Odom

I've been pretty quiet throughout this entire Lamar Odom Saga. To be quite honest, that's simply because the saga doesn't exist. DexterFishmore has done a great job of keeping things light and in perspective, while also giving us a variety of entertaining angles from which to discuss this issue. But at the end of the day, there's simply no story here.

Lamar Odom hasn't signed a contract yet. He is a free agent. That's not a story; it's simply what any sane observer of this situation should have expected. Honestly, if you're looking for someone to add a serving of hype and spin this into a story, you've come to the wrong place. You've got ESPN and the LA Times for that.

Now, I know many of you are probably thinking, "What? This isn't a story?? This is the only thing that matters!" Click on through, and I'll explain exactly why it's really not the big deal everyone is making it out to be.

Star-divide

Perhaps it's technically incorrect to say that this is not a story. It would be more accurate to say that this isn't a story we didn't already know. Let me break it down for you.

Lamar Odom is a free agent. He is looking to sign a new contract. Regardless of who he signs with, negotiating is part of this process. The Lakers would like to keep him. Again, like every other player, negotiating is part of the process. The Lakers and Lamar Odom — as well as a couple other teams, to be sure — are in the middle of these negotiations. They are not yet complete.

Hey, look — that's pretty much the whole story, and it only took me a short paragraph!

The rest, quite frankly, is just hype. I know it all seems drastic and extreme, desperate and urgent, but it's really not. They've got the entire summer to negotiate, and each side has at least a couple moves to try before they come to an agreement.

Not convinced? Let me try and shed some light. I grew up in the third world, so I've had some experience with bartering — one of the most common forms of negotiation. Here in the United States, you go into a store, pick something up off the shelf, and pay the sticker price. Where I grew up, you find much of what you need in an open air market. You ask the price, and there's simply no way you intend to pay the vendor's initial quote (unless you're a tourist, in which case you're about to get ripped off).

The initial quote is almost always ridiculous. The more you show yourself to be a nice guy, the more true this is. If you come across as completely clueless — again, tourists are a great example — expect the initial price to be just completely absurd.

Now, negotiation is an art with all sorts of subtleties, but there are basic rules. In my mind, the most important ones go in this order:

  1. Don't piss off the other party. If you make him angry, he won't be interested in doing business with you at all. It's hard to negotiate with someone who doesn't want your business.
  2. Don't allow yourself to come across as unreasonable. If they think you're unreasonable, they won't see any point in talking to you. Again, hard to negotiate with someone who doesn't see the point of talking to you.
  3. Show just enough interest to let the other party know that you'll go for the right price, and not an ounce more. They need to know that you're willing to walk away. If they think you "have to have it," then they've got the leverage and can make you pay their price.

In any decently-conducted negotiation, someone walks away from the table at some point. It's a way of either exerting leverage or learning your opponent's limit. If you've pushed him as far as he'll go, he'll let you go. But if there's still room to gain some more ground, he'll call you back.

Another aspect of any good negotiation is the over-reaction. The idea is to act insulted, like the other party thinks you're a fool. The theory here is that by conveying to your opponent that you think he's being ridiculous, you'll get him to move some on his price. An exaggerated laugh, a disdainful snort — it's a way to let the other party know they need to make a better offer if you're even going to consider talking. Of course, the key here is not to overdo it. Remember, you don't want to piss the other party off. If he's offered a good price and you go too far in acting like it's absurd, he'll be insulted and will consider you unreasonable, and so much for negotiations.

Along the way, both parties attempt to reframe the discussion and bolster their position by making their case as to why they should get a better deal than is currently being offered. By informing the vendor that I wasn't a tourist, I let him know that I was aware of what the product was worth, expected a fair price, and wouldn't be taken. If I was buying several items, I might use that fact to get him to drop the overall price even more, since I was buying more. On his part, he might explain to me why he can't afford to give me the price I'm asking, claiming that he'd make no profit or telling me some story about his family. Maybe I believe it, maybe I don't.

NBA player contract negotiations are a far cry from third world open air market haggling, but all of this is essentially what is happening with Lamar Odom. The Lakers, if rumors are to be believed, started with a price far below what Odom is worth; they weren't being malicious, it's just smart business. They have to give themselves room to negotiate. Lamar's agent balked at the idea, and the Lakers gave. Having a sense of what Odom wanted — rumors in the area of 5 years at $10M per year — the Lakers made a counter offer.

At some point in the process, they did the equivalent of walking away, leaking to the media that they'd retracted the offer. Make no mistake — they want the product, and they weren't actually walking away. This was just their way of letting the Odom camp know they would need to give some.

Odom and his agent talked to a couple other teams, none of them able to offer more than the Lakers, with the rumor being that they were insulted by the Lakers' offer. But folks, this is all just part of the game. They were making a move, seeing how the Lakers would react. We're told that Lamar Odom later contacted Jerry Buss, so obviously he wasn't that offended by the negotiations. Why should he be? They're negotiations, it's how these things work!

The point here is that this is all completely normal. It's part of the process. If we reported on every step of the negotiation process between every team and every player, I would very quickly tire of covering the NBA. "Lamar Odom and the Lakers are in the process of negotiating Odom's new contract" is not news. It's SOP.

This brings us to all these rumors. Everything we know about these negotiations is rumors, and as such, completely unreliable. In my personal estimation, the nature of these rumors is such that they're hardly worth paying attention to. Remember when Ric Bucher assured us that Kobe Bryant would never play another game in a Lakers uniform? Yeah, we see how well that went. And frankly, that report had more substance than any of the rumors we've read thus far.

Ask yourself this: How have we acquired the information that we supposedly have about the negotiations? It was leaked by the parties actually involved. Now, you could take what they say and run with it, feeding the hype machine — or you could realize that what you're hearing isn't necessarily truth, it's just what they want you to hear. As Dex has pointed out, it's just the two parties using the media machine in their favor.

The problem is that the mainstream media takes every one of these tiny, unsubstantiated rumors and runs with it. They create this hype machine, and make no mistake, they do it quite deliberately. Why? Because it gets fans into a frenzy, and it drives up traffic, ratings, etc. But at the end of the day, hype is all it is.

My assumption is that you're not here for more hype. There's plenty of that available already. What you're here for is some original insight. You're here to read someone actually addressing the real issues, not just spinning up a hype machine to keep you coming back. You're interested in someone who's actually sticking to the actual story, not creating one of their own to play off your emotions as a passionate fan.

I'm not here to feed the hype machine, or even to be a part of it. If the hype is what you want, you can visit ESPN.com or LATimes.com for that. They've got more than enough hype to go around, and if they run out, they'll create some more.

But the actual story here is simply that there is no story. At least, none worth telling and re-telling, hashing and re-hashing, over and over again. Lamar Odom and the Lakers are in the middle of negotiations. It is a normal thing, and something they have plenty of time to complete. End of story.

If there are any significant developments, worthy of discussion, we'll definitely talk about them. But the simple fact is that the Lakers can offer Lamar Odom both a better contract (more money) and a better situation (championship contenders, playing in Los Angeles) than any other team. The negotiation process is simply intended to iron out the details.

When we actually know something about those details, we'll get into them. Until then, feel free to head over to the hype machines.

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Yeah I'm just waiting for the he signed here news.

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jul 21, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

A lot of the panic has sprung up out of "what if" situations

Not necessarily based on LO’s prospects of remaining a Laker at the end of the summer. They see other teams reloading and suddenly we’re all in hypothetical matchups against powerhouse teams without LO. There is also the added factor of people seeing Ariza leave and thus the prospect of losing Lamar became “real” for many people.

I want the negotiations to be over with because I’m tired of hearing about them, not because of panic or anxiety. The reason for my lack of anxiety isn’t in knowing the finer details of the intricate dance that is negotiation but in the numbers: The Lakers can offer Lamar more than anyone else, especially with the Blazers’ lack of interest. If turning down more money to play for a worse team is what LO feels is in his best interest, then so be it. Not much you can do about an illogical decision. Stuff happens.

by Tydides on Jul 21, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Both parties are maximizing the opportunity to make headlines.

This tie of year we’re usually debating over how to tweak the roster. Now that we have the Chip, we have this to talk about. Baseball lost me, and football isn’t here yet.

I agree. LO’s situation isn’t news. Not when the Lakers are offering more money than anyone, they’re the Champs, and they possibly got better. It’s that simple. No one turns that down.

It helps traffic though.

by wondahbap on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Way too repetitive.

I stopped reading about half way through.

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 21, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Too bad.........

You missed the part about free Laker tickets to whomever read the entire article.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post is horrible.

What do you need a fancy suit for, Charlie, you ain't got no job to wear it to.

by clover_black on Jul 21, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

This toes the line of what’s an acceptable comment. Disagreement and criticism are fine, but all comments must be respectful and constructive.

by DexterFishmore on Jul 21, 2009 6:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree.

I think his post is useless and he should go elsewhere, but I don’t think describing anything as “horrible” is over the line.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

opinions must be allowed, even if we do not agree. we don’t want this to become FearTheSword or CelticsBlog, do we?

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 21, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol..

..seriously. I have never blogged with such sensitive fans. I have been a memeber of SB Nation before SSR started and I started by going on the Celtics Blog and I got banned. Thank god for SSR.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

good point. posting a link to an article criticizing their star player(s) will get you banned. one thing i like about this blog is its democratic nature (thus far, at least).

by chaucer on Jul 21, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

censorship bad!

opinions good!

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Jul 22, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait hold up? I got warned for saying I didn’t like this article cuz I felt it didn’t offer any real news?! It’s ironic that it says not to curse in “rules” page, which they then to proceed to follow it up by cursing themselves.

It says to act like adults, but if they are going to get pissy over every little thing. That itself is way more childish than allowing someone to express their opinions. What kind of Fascist policy is that? “say you like what we write or else we’ll warn you”.

Can’t believe im gonna be complimenting something from Boston but the Celtics blog people are way more mature. They actually allow and appreciate descending opinions. But here I say I don’t like an article and I get warned? Way to go SSnR. You guys get a BIGGGGGGGGGG ……thumbs up : )

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

no, they don't

CelticsBlog is horrible. I opinioned their chances last season after KG got hurt, but got banned myself, merely because I thought their chances were down the drain, and that the Celtics would now be viewed as a possible “one and done” club, or a club that bought it’s only championship in the past 20 years.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 22, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol I’m sorry that happened to you. Everyone i’ve seen there are actually pretty classy. Sure there are a few knuckleheads ( am I allowed say knuckleheads?) that try to argue that lakers are going to be 4rth in the west and that Artest is going to kill kobe, but whatever. I just let them go on being delilusional. (am I allowed to called a group of people delilusional?

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Robi S

I think you’re the sensitive one. It’s not even that serious. Did Josh warn you? No. All you got was a suggestion from Dexter. So who cares? Get off it already.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

how do you tell who warned you? all i know is that it said I wouldn’t be getting another one, but rather i would just get banned.

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where does it say not to curse???

“Thou shalt not swear excessively
Everyone likes/needs to swear every now and then, but in the immortal words of this guy, “Always in moderation.” Nobody’s going to jump down your throat for a WTF, or even a “F—- that” due to a bad call, but if you can’t write a sentence without a swear word in it, you need to spend some time practicing originality and creativity. Pull out a dictionary and try adding to your vocabulary."

This was cute;

“Can’t believe im gonna be complimenting something from Boston but the Celtics blog people are way more mature. They actually allow and appreciate descending opinions.”

OK, now I know you are full of crap it. You’ve obviously never been to CelticsBlog. Nice bluff though.

Since you seem to know the rules around here, why don’t you try to follow them.

IMO this comment;

“You have to be a tard not to know how negotiations work.”

seems to break a few of them like;

"Thou shalt be respectful to all
We want SS&R to be a positive place for fans of all teams to come and enjoy, so please do not blast anybody just because they don’t happen to root for the same team you do. Treat everyone who visits the site as a worthwhile person, be they rival or friend, until they prove themselves otherwise. Then it’s on them — you have to give respect to get respect. (Though even then, we still encourage taking the high road.)"

or this one;

"Thou shalt not be racist, bigoted, or otherwise ignorant
This should go without saying. Racism has no place anywhere near intelligent conversation, but we’re also including other types of ignorant insults under this umbrella. Specifically, no comments using sexual orientation as an insult. If you can’t find any other way to make your point then to call something “gay” or someone a “fag” or racial slur, find another place to display your ignorance to the world."

Of course this is all just my opinion which I am entitled to just like you.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, one other thing.....

What is a “descending” opinion??? Is that an opinion that you give while riding in an elevator?

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

…." tard" doesnt fall under being racist, or bigoted. Nor was that comment directed to anyone in specific, just to anyone who doesnt understand the mechanics of bargaining, which you really would have to be on the less bright side not to get.

Also for your information, I actually authored the featured article on the celtics blog just a week ago, and had my article acknowledged by Yahoo’s Ball Don’t Lie. So don’t try to tell me I’ve never been on the Celtics blog. The case seems to be likely that you’ve never been on it, or the far more likely situation that you got banned for your less than mature antics.

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You were acknowledged by Ball don

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

That didn't work.

What does getting acknowledged by Ball Don’t Lie have to do with anything. Maybe you have been to CelticsBlog, who knows? However, by stating that SSandR is less tolerant of descending “dissenting” opinions than they are shows your ignorance.

Everyone in the SBNation blogosphere knows how intolerant they are.

You don’t think “tard” is offensive? It is a derogatory term used to describe people with mental disabilities (also known as a minority). It is no less offensive than the “N” word. Just because there is likely no one here who falls under that category doesn’t give you the right to be offensive. And it was directed at someone specific. “Anyone who doesn’t understand the mechanics of bargaining” is actually fairly specific, and could easily be applied to millions of people. To be honest there are obviously some of those people here (the point of Josh’s post) so you are calling each of them “a tard”.

 I am guessing that Josh would consider your comment an “ignorant insult”, thus being unacceptable

“but we’re also including other types of ignorant insults under this umbrella.”

Here’s a test…………..Try calling people “a tard” a little longer and see if you get banned.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude just get off my back. I got the point when I got the warning. You need to chill.

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I can tell you got the point from your last post.

Very apologetic. And when I get on your back, you will know it. Chill

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK – views have been aired. Let’s move on.

by DexterFishmore on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your thoughts. Constructive criticism is good, but when all you say is “this article is horrible” I dont think that kind of attitude should just get a pass. Dex wasn’t thinking of banning him (I dont think so at least). He was probably just giving him a warning, which was warranted.

by intuitive on Jul 21, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meaning I want comments to have substance.

by intuitive on Jul 21, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

“Meaning I want comments to have substance.”

You’re halfway down the ‘slippery slope’ to arbitrary censorship. I understand the need to keep things civil and respectful here, but his comment was both. You may not like it, and I may not either, but it is far from being disrespectful and substance is somewhat in the eye of the beholder. There are thousands of comments here that have ‘no substance’, but that doesn’t mean they should be censored. (LOL, +1, Ha, etc…)

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point taken, but I’d rather if someone’s going to say something negative at least provide SOME explanation.

by intuitive on Jul 21, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If someone is going to bash an article, the lease he could do is let the author know why.

Personally, I don’t see the point in making the comment, but everyone has their opinion. Just the other day, I read a pretty lame article on a certain Cavs site, but didn’t feel the need to tell him, nor correct him. It’s just not that important, unless it’s Simmons-esque type of slander.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK pal that's it..................

You’re outta here.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

it had substance. It stated his dislike for this particular post, which will result in less posts like it.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would be a bit of an overreaction for stating an opinion about a POST. It’s not like he was attacking the author’s intelligence. I would definately have to agree this post was sort of a waste of time seeing how you don’t have to be born in a 3rd world country to know how negotiations work.

While the actual contents of the post was indeed useless, I did like the idea. I, myself, was about to write a post along the lines of whether other laker fans had a similar opinion on the current LO situation. I definately agree with what the post is trying to get across (although being a bit more concise would be nice).

I wish this had a poll about whether you guys were still worried about the LO situation. I admit I was a bit worried at first when LO was “angry” with the lakers, and when Millsap got matched. But now after seeing that Portland has no interest in Odom, and that the heat arent going to try a sign and trade, I am at complete ease. LO is coming back, and now its simply about numbers.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, man

Can’t say I told you so.
remember our convo on Prashant’s post?
Suddenly feels like an exercise in futility now doesn’t it?
Going back to the issue at hand, I agree with you (isn’t that something?)

by altree on Jul 22, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's his opinion.

The statement itself isn’t unacceptable. I just don’t see the point in bothering to make it.

At least LakerUNLTD gave a reason for his dislike. Something that Josh may be able to take into account, should he choose to.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol he felt he wasted his time reading it, what are we 5? if you don’t like something you should be allowed to express that feeling. We are in America aren’t we?

People arent always going to have good things to say about articles, this site is for adults. I suggest people just grow up and grow some harder skin.

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

Is this in response to me, because my comment agrees with what you said.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Calm down

Calling a post “horrible” is over the line?

No. Calling the poster a no good, rotten #$%$QQ!!!#f%^$ is over the line.

Come on.

As for this post and poster, how can anyone take issue with either? He’s a voice of reason and gives a bit of reality to the equation.

Why diss that?

Let’s all be big people here, huh?

by LakersForDeuce on Jul 21, 2009 7:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Josh's comment re Odom and Lakers negotiations

Josh is right on with his comments. I lived in China with my Chinese girlfriend for one year. The golden rules for negotiating “successfully” is “exactly” how he spelled it out. Never insult the vendor, get mad, and be firm and polite and even smile while you negotiate. In China most times after you tell them their price is too high they hand you a calculator to write down your price. I never do that just smile and tell them verbally a new price or hold firm and tell them you like their product and wait for them to come down first. But don’t take negotiating seriously . Josh is right that if you tell them you want to buy more than one item from them, they will work with you much easier. Also in certain supermarkets and department stores you can negotiate prices so always ask them if they will drop their price. The deal will get down; just wait for the announcement.
Regards, Mickey

by mrmickey on Jul 21, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions  

L.O. come on home brah

Is anyone planning on watching Blake Griffin play with the Clips at Staples?

Let the Halo power flow!

by HALO N BRIMSTONE on Jul 21, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I was just thinking that...about Griffin that is.

I really am. But since I seen the documentary of Sebastian Telfair and also bought it I am looking forward to seeing him play in a LA. It is also going to be nice to see Madsen come back to LA. You know he is going to get some loud cheers.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madsen?

only by either bored Lakers fans attending Clips games… or converted ex-Clippers fans… and if the latter is the case… maybe they should have their heads checked? :)

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

err

“converted ex-Lakers fans”

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahahah there is never going to be such a thing, except maybe if you were family of an ex laker, so making mark madsens family the only ex laker clipper fans hahah

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Clippers got Blake Griffin?

Another promising career, down the drain.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could of said the same about Lamar

Now he is a Champion and Laker fans are going crazy to get him signed. Not bad for being drafted by the Clippers. But then again, he is the exception.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know

I was thinking of LO as I wrote that.. there’s also Elton Brand, Ron Harper, Quentin “Mr. Trade” Richardson, Darius “I killed Portland’s Dreams” Miles, etc.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 21, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes..

but I know what you mean. The Clippers could of had a title if not for their bad trade decisions or their refusal to pay their current players rather than let them walk for nothing.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Elton brand wasnt drafted by the clippers, so he doesnt count. Shaun Livingston counts. Magatte count. Olwakandi counts. Lorenzo Wright counts. etc. Elton brand isnt in the same category Chicago let him go. Although at the same time LO and Ron Harper are the only ex-clipper I can think of that actually won a ring lol. That franchise is cursed lol.

 If the clippers kept elton brand, they would have been really good. I mean they made it to the 2nd round the year before. Davis, Brand, Gordon, Camby would have been great together.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kandi Man was the ultimate reason why the Clips are the Clips.

When a 7’2" Center plays at Pacific University, isn’t that enough to tell you he’s not the #1 Pick? Pacific???

How stupid was that pick? GM’s all over the League must’ve been rolling on the floor laughing on how they duped the Clips into that pick.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

ur right about Elton

sorry, was a little tipsy last night.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 22, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Ric Bucher

Everybody gives Bucher a hard time for saying Kobe would never play for the Lakers again, but his source was either Kobe Bryant or his agent. The Lakers and the Bulls agreed to a trade in principle, but because Kobe had a no trade clause, he had to approve of the deal, which he did not. Kobe wanted to be traded because he did not think at the time the team was serious enough in its commitment to winning now, as it had a lot of young players who were still developing and some players who were flat out awful. The Bulls offered the Lakers Luol Deng, Kirk Heinrich, and Tyrus Thomas, to which the Lakers agreed. Kobe insisted that he would not agree to a trade to a gutted Bulls team, as he would again be on a young team that would be capable of reaching the playoffs but incapable of winning a title in the then foreseeable future, essentially being in the same situation he felt he was in with the Lakers but also having to uproot his family. Meanwhile the Lakers were not going to trade Bryant anywhere without the other team paying a premium in return. If the Lakers would have accepted some combination of Gordon, Sefalosha, and/or Noah instead of insisting on Heinrich and Deng, Kobe would have been a Bull the past two seasons.

by Walter M on Jul 21, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that's the point

The fact that Bucher’s source was so high up the food chain is exactly the point. In that instance, Bucher wasn’t really reporting, he was being used as a tool in negotiations. Not his fault, except maybe he should have considered the context and realized that the information he was being given was meant to serve a purpose.

I think that’s the point, though. As I said, Bucher’s report actually have more substance than anything we’ve gotten from these negotiations. And even then, look how it turned out. If Bucher was being used by the Kobe camp as a pawn in the negotiations process, don’t you think the same is happening here with the LA Times writers? Even more so.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 21, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bucher is a tool, I never by anything that he reports. The only guys whose opinions I value are Adande, Plaschke, and Aldridge.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aldridge is the best in the NBA.

The local guys? I guess,but Bucher is not that bad. He works for Espn for a reason,but then again I do not like espn. He is a tool. You got it right.

by green20 on Jul 21, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plaschke?

Ugh, I can’t stand him. Whatever he rants about is usually blatantly wrong. Adande and Aldridge are decent though.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plaschke? ugh

every team has one, a reporter who lives off of trash talking the franchise he covers, and supposedly, supports. For example, Portland fans hate that Canzano fellow.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

and Chicago has Jay Mariotti

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 22, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Casa Bobblehead

Anyone on PTI, or the Sports Reporters,Simers, Skip Bayless (and whoever he race baits on Cold Pizza) and sometimes Jason Whitlock (who used to be on the Sports Reporters).

They’d rather spew moronic nonsense and over dramatize things because it garners a reaction, rather than make insightful, smart or correct assessments

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't believe people watch those shows.

I don’t think I’ve sat through a PTI in over five years.

by Darkemans on Jul 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant Around the Horn.

Not PTI. They’re bobbleheads too though. Just not as bad.

by wondahbap on Jul 22, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, what is people’s issue with this article? I thought it was dead on.

by Kung Pau on Jul 21, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Although we all have a right to our opinion...

..some people just are really good at looking at things with a negative point of view. Just like Bill Simmons.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol it was a waste of time. You have to be a tard not to know how negotiations work. Why dont we have an article about how the Lakers should score more points than the other team in most games so that they can win games.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

First of all don't call people "a tard".

Second of all, lots of people don’t know how to negotiate, they’re called women tourists, as Josh said. Don’t defend a guy for saying something moderately rude by saying something even more rude. It makes you look like an idiot a hypocrite.

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by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

you seem unhappy about a number of things posted on this blog.

by chaucer on Jul 21, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What? You mean LO probably will re-sign with the Lakers!

Thank god I have this post as a voice of reason! Excuse me while I puke up this lethal dose of sleeping pills I just swalloed.

I do not think there are many people here that are naive enough to not understand the nature of negotiations. I also do not think there are many people here who have not seen negotiations go sour from spite. While all signs point to Lamar returning, you just never know in the free agency game.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 22, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

I’m from Taiwan, and he’s 100% right about everything about bargaining in lesser developed countries … and it’s a good analogy with free agent negotiations.

The people who don’t like the article are probably tourists that got swindled :)

by nilwnah on Jul 21, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

According to David Aldridge...

Not sure if this has been posted already but I just read the following:

For now, according to a source, the Blazers do not have any interest in Lakers free agent forward Lamar Odom, whose negotiations with Los Angeles on a new contract have stalled.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/21/miller/

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 21, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions  

That's been fairly well established for a while

Odom isn’t a great fit and Pritchard has no interest in spending big money to get him.

Frankly, the best thing for Portland to do, unless they’re going for Lee, is to stand pat with their cap space. There’s going to be a horde of teams wanting to cut salary at the trade deadline, and Portland will have a cap space and a ton of assets (expiring contracts and attractive young players) to get a bargain trade.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed 100% Come the trade deadline the Trailblazers are going to be everyones best friends. I have a feeling they are going to be getting a bunch of draft picks in return for bad contracts.

by robi s on Jul 21, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious

Which bad contracts do the Blazers have to get rid of?

by BAB-Bass on Jul 22, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

They will be getting draft picks as a payment for taking bad contracts and acting as a third party in trades.

by robi s on Jul 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is a great post josh dont listen to those meatheads

by jv52yankees on Jul 21, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm....

are you new here. Josh is the long post King. It comes with the territory. Plus he can ban you ass so be nice.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

*your

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

are u the watchdog? LOL jk

by chaucer on Jul 21, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

woof, woof.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

i have been bartering all my life and the NBA and most pro sports have nothing to do with it

the only thing some of these players care about is themselves nothing more, do you really think 420 head cares about championships NOT. 420 boy only wants more money plain and simple he is no different than that guy who never had a real job running the US.

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by so.cal.native1952 on Jul 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Are 420 head and 420 boy the same person?

Just curious. I agree about the guy running the nation into the ground though.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 21, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Much Needed Post

Josh Tucker – always the voice of reason in the midst of chaos.

- MV

by acm7vu on Jul 22, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Anyone seen this yet?

Supposed to be the missing LeBron dunk footage.

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=f21ecae1-4984-4ba4-9216-94ee996cd4c1

Seems legit to me.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 22, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

yah that’s awesome. i wonder how it leaked. do u suppose he had anything to do with it, in a cheap attempt to curve some of the criticism he’s taken?

by chaucer on Jul 22, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

The video was taken with a camera phone, and someone sold it to TMZ.

by intuitive on Jul 22, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol. hey intuitive will the world really end in 12/21/2012??

by chaucer on Jul 22, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dag I missed the whole discussion

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jul 22, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

The way the title read, I thought you guys were trying to justify that losing Odom will be okay. Almost chuckled. Then the article was about how negotiations work…eh? Okay then.

by LionZion on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

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