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Odom Negotiations Continue to Resemble Badly Written Teen Soap

Twenty-four hours after the Lakers reportedly broke up with Lamar Odom because he wasn't returning their texts fast enough and he's been flirting with other girls, including that total bitch Pat Riley, little more is known about his NBA future. Unfounded and often contradictory speculation has been the order of the day in hoops media circles, with varying reports about what exactly the Lakers offered him, whether he was given an explicit deadline to accept, and whether he or his agent is holding up a deal. It's enough to make you long for the days of the comparatively smooth Trevor Ariza negotiations.

The latest I've seen from from Mark Stein of ESPN is that agreement was reached between the two parties on a $9 million annual salary, but talks broke down over the Lakers' refusal to extend the contract length beyond three seasons. Stein's colleague Ric Bucher backs him up on that and earlier today Tweeted the following:

It's like this: Phil wants him, but LO has to make nice w/Dr. Buss, who's ticked LO didn't jump at what Buss sees as a generous offer.

Two things, in any event, are becoming increasingly clear to me:

(1) Jerry Buss is, if you believe the reports, taking all of this way too personally, and

(2) Jeff Schwartz, Lamar's agent, is really, really bad at public relations.

Star-divide

It would be unfortunate if Dr. Buss were in fact allowing personal emotions to drive the negotiations. To begin with, it's bad business. Either Lamar is worth $27 million over three years to the Lakers, or he's not. And if he is, it doesn't matter whether it takes three hours or three weeks to get the deal done. If he's willing to sign that contract, you sign it. Championship rings have a way of dissipating any lingering resentment between player and team - am I right, Kobe?

Also, Dr. Buss should consider that perhaps Lamar didn't "jump at" his offer because the Lakers didn't exactly jump at making it. Six days ago, we were told that the Lakers had offered something "within a million or two" of the $5.8 million mid-level exception. Then we heard that the offer was "a little north of $8 million." Now, apparently, it's $9 million. So clearly, the Lakers didn't come roaring out of the gate with their highest, best offer. They tried to squeeze Lamar a bit, hoping to get the best possible deal out of him. That's perfectly fine. But once you've gone down that road, you forfeit the right to be self-righteous when your counterparty does the same.

That said, I remain not at all convinced that Dr. Buss is indeed personally upset with Lamar. He's an experienced contract negotiator - he's been to this particular rodeo too many times with too many players not to understand that on both sides, it's just business. I continue to believe that he's leaking reports of his displeasure as a way to light a fire under Lamar and his agent, with the goal of getting a deal done post haste.

Speaking of Lamar's agent, the estimable Mr. Schwartz could learn a thing or two from Scott Boras. This past winter, Boras and Dodgers owner Frank McCourt tangled publicly over free agent Manny Ramirez, with McCourt at one point declaring that the parties would "start from scratch" after Manny failed to accept the Dodgers' offer. McCourt even took the unusual step of issuing a press release announcing the suspension of negotiations. It was kind of a dickish move, but aside from an absence of subtlety, it wasn't a materially different tactic from Dr. Buss's media leaks in the ongoing Odom saga.

Boras, unlike Jeff Schwartz so far, knew he couldn't let the media battle be a one-sided affair. He issued his own account of the negotiations in a press release and, while the whole thing became tiresome and unsavory, he at least defended his client. Schwartz needs to start running the same play, because for the time being his client is being portrayed as greedy and petulent, when in fact he's simply exercising collectively bargained rights to free agency.

Postscript: Keep an eye on Utah, which has two more days to decide whether to match Portland's offer to restricted free agent Paul Millsap. If they do match, expect the Blazers to enter the Lamar bidding. Whee!

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Why cant everything work out like Browns did. Both sides happy and doing things smart.

"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Jul 15, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I have not caught on to the Twitter craze but...

I just read this on another site. But as I said I don’t know much about Twitter or how reliable the news that comes out of there but I just seen this quote:

Just spoke with league source who said Odom wants at least what Marion got from Dallas (five years, $38.6 million)

Here is the link:

http://twitter.com/ramonashelburne

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 15, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

That's odd...

Considering that rumored 36 mil/4 years isn’t any worse of a deal. And if Buss was willing to offer the 36mil/4yr, he shouldn’t have a problem with 38mil/5yr…

by Nostance on Jul 16, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

If this is true and...

it is true the Lakers offered 4 years 36 million. Then Lamar Odom is unfathomably dumb.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 16, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

he wouldn’t be a good fit in dallas, with marion already on board.

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT: In other happy news :D

Did anyone see Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince?

So gooooooood. I watched it at midnight with a bunch of other HP fans and it was great.
the movie was perfect balance between humor, romance, mystery and action.

(sorry, these LO negotiations are driving me bat crazy. If we lose LO after TA, I don’t think I’ll be able to watch the Lakers without massive dosage of pain medicine. I barely survived losing TA, just thinking of losing LO is depressing)

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 16, 2009 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

That's what Prozac is for.

Just kidding. Wouldn’t it be good if Kuptchak can make Schwartz agree to the 4 for 36mm with the flick of a wand?

by altree on Jul 16, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd use the Imperious Curse:

“you must sign with the Lakers”

OBEY DAMN IT

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 17, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jul 16, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

i haven’t even watched part one. what is this, the tenth installment?

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

the ghost of harry potter’s ghost.

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol sixth movie.

There’s a total of 7 books.

So technically there will be a total of 7 movies.

But for the 7th movie, they’re splitting it in 2, so there will be a total of 8 movies.

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 17, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Buss only put it out there to get this done before the possibility of Portland getting involved.

The lakers want to retain LO, but do not want to get into a bidding war. If Utah matches, then he may get one, and LO is merely waiting for the last chance at leverage he has.

I just they don’t play their hands wrong. Call for a chop.

by wondahbap on Jul 16, 2009 5:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Portland isn't interested

in Odom. If they had been, they could’ve made an offer before this fiasco. The deal is that not everyone is as up on Odom as the Lakers are and he’s demanding too much money. He’s a great player but way too inconsistent to be demanding max years. The issue is not necessarily that Buss doesn’t want to pay him but that the team will be stuck with him for 5 years as his game declines and his contract will be too big to trade in this economy. Very few relevant teams have cap space to take on $9mil a year no matter how talented the player is…that’s why players like Artest are playing for MLE’s.

by BallerBabe on Jul 16, 2009 6:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think Portland is either,

But I think Lamar is hoping they will be if they can’t get millsap. Whom I think they offered too much anyway.

by wondahbap on Jul 16, 2009 6:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I still don't think Portland is any better than 50-50 to chase Lamar.

David Lee strikes me as more likely.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 16, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree

I can’t see them throwing big money at Odom, simply because he’s not a great fit there and they would be saddled with an unmovable contract for the next five years.

Lee is a much better fit, although I would bet Walsh matches an ~$8 million starting salary and tries to move Jeffries.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Can you tell this to robi s?

by altree on Jul 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand the situation clearly. I just firmly believe the cost of losing lamar would be way greater than the benefits of losing him. Even with the chances being 50-50. Our team is WAY worse without Odom, and everybody knows it. Go on any other teams forums and you’ll see people begging someone to steal Odom from us.

Excuse me if I want to avoid the prospect of having to look back, and say man we should have just gave odom 10 million for 4 years. After Kobe retires, we are going to be in rebuilding mode anyway. So if we are going to lose during the rebuilding the period, why does it matter that we will have Odom for that one year anyway? I way rather have 3 championships with 2 year of being terrible. Versus 0 championships and 5 okay seasons.

by robi s on Jul 17, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

  • benefits of signing him for a bargain…. not benefits of losing him

by robi s on Jul 17, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hope we keep Lamar

Well, I certainly missed this whole thing while on vacation. I figured this would be settled by now.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jul 16, 2009 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Good analysis, Odom signs in next 48 hours

If the average fan understood anything about negotiating, you wouldn’t see the mass hysteria the Odom issue has caused. Your post will hopefully have helped with that education, but I’m not confident of that.

If Portland doesn’t get Milsap they could at least get some entertainment value out of forcing the Lakers to cave in to Odom. Buss and Kupchak would not want to see Lamar in a Blazers uni. Why? Because he’ll make them better.

To the people who claim Odom isn’t a good match for the Portland system, I submit that Odom’s personality and talents will allow him to fit in with whatever system he’s handed. He’s mobile, makes the right pass, gives up the ball, can shoot threes, goes to the rim, rebounds, and defends.

What system will THAT not work with?

He’d make Portland deeper, and the Lakers weaker. Buss and Kupchak would rather see him in Miami, if not L.A.

So, let the Utah-Portland-Milsap thing play out, and let’s see what the Blazers do if the Jazz match their offer. If the Lakers think that Portland will up the ante, I think they’ll give Odom his fifth year and we’ll be done with this. If Portland turns away from Lamar, then the Odom camp will sign for the four years at $9 million.

One way or another, Odom should remain a Laker.

Unless, of course, somebody really screws something up and things turn personal. Up until now, there’s no indication of that, regardless of Buss’ posturing.

by LakersForDeuce on Jul 16, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Odom doesn't really fit in Portland

He’s a liability in their extreme slow-down offense because he can’t shoot consistently, as that offense is predicated on having shooters for Roy to pass to, and there’s no breaks for him to run, meaning that his ballhandling ability becomes less of an asset. It’s why they liked Aldridge and Frye, as both of them could shoot. He’s a better defender than Aldridge at the other end, but that’s no reason to burn $45 million or so over the next five years for a guy liable to decline as he gets on the wrong side of thirty.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK. So Lamar may very well be off to Portland. Fine ...

But what are our options then? Who can the Lakers get to replace sweet-tooth Odom?

by Pedro's curse on Jul 16, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Minimum salaried veterans

Are our only real options. Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox to name a few. Of those, I’d probably prefer Wilcox.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jerry Buss and becoming the NBA's all-time best team

One thing keeps nagging at me, and I hope I’m right.

Jerry Buss is 75 and not many mountains to climb any more. His kids run the team, along with Kupchak, and he’s got more money that he can spend in his remaining years. Along with his interest in young women and poker, I hope he also has one other thing still on his radar — to surpass Boston as the team with the most championships.

It was 16-14 in the Celtic’s favor when the Lakers added Karl Malone and Gary Payton a few years ago, which should have given the team at least one, if not two rings to tie Boston. Then, Shaq and Kobe blew up and the team fell apart.

Last year’s loss to the Celtics made it 17-14 and this year’s Lakers’ win brought them within two again.

Now, you’d have to think that Buss recognizes this as being his last great opportunity to catch and pass Boston — if he indeed cares about that.

The Celtics’ Big Three of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen are still very good, but age and injuries are taking their toll. In a couple of years they’ll be a good team, but not in the elite category. It will become less and less likely that banner # 18 will be raised any time soon.

The Lakers are stacked to be in the championship discussion for the next three to four years.

Lamar Odom is a key part of that.

Just another reason why I don’t think Buss lets him leave.

If Jerry Buss really wants to be the owner of the best NBA franchise of all time, Odom stays.

by LakersForDeuce on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

hahahah Buss is a bigger pimp than Hefner. I was at a restraunt, and he walked in with like 5 SMOKING HOT GIRLS. I’d way rather be Him then hefner.

by robi s on Jul 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 Years 36 million

Is what a few blogs are reporting that LO took with the Lakers.

by Charles Y on Jul 16, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions  

where’s the story? it’s just a blog, no article…

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s why I mentioned a few blogs are reporting it.

by Charles Y on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

what’s their source…hmm…maybe they’re jesting.

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope not. I’m going bananas.

by Charles Y on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope he resigns and if he does, i hope he plays harder than he has in the past. he needs to bring it every night. i tend to forget how lazy he has seemed during some games.

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just heard farmar on espn radion like 30 mins ago

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

no, not at all. he said he knew as much as the talk show hosts—which is pretty much nothing.

by chaucer on Jul 16, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Championship

Has everyone seen the Championship DVD? I am so glad that included so much on the extra features. I especially loved the section about Kobe scoring 81 points.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 16, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

wait till you see it. I have seen it like 3 times already. Any Laker fan needs to buy and watch this DVD.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jul 16, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

you guys following all the twitter nonsense? michael beasley rumored to l.a. (highly unlikely) dwayne wade tweet saying mysteriously “i got good news”? lamar for d. wade? not possible, right?

by _logan_ on Jul 16, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Beasley would be feasible; Wade impossible

As for following Twitter feeds, it varies dramatically depending on who you’re looking at.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beasley’s in LA for a photoshoot

by intuitive on Jul 17, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lamar vs Leon Powe

Based on predicted wins in basketball reference.com … Lamar Odom won 7 of the 65 Laker wins at 29.5 minutes per game… this year… while Leon Powe won 5 of the Celtics’ 62 wins this season at 17.5 minutes per game.

For Lamar Odom to win 1 game… he needs to play at least 4 minutes per game… if Leon Powe is to win 1 game… he needs to play at least 3.5 minutes per game. In terms of minutes played… and wins predicted to win… Leon Powe is a better player (despite his lesser skills). Factor in that he’s younger (he is 24 while Odom is hitting 30) (will bounce from injury) returning from frigid Boston to play for The Los Angeles Lakers (ie.. the same state as his college squad California)? Then factor in 10 million per game versus 2 million per game. If we can pull Leon Powe to the Lakers… then perhaps we are at a better position than we were last year. Artest is an improvement… while the loss of Odom hurts… but the loss of Odom… does bode well for Bynum’s minutes… so.. perhaps… this wll be a good move….

by SimpleTruth on Jul 16, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Classic example

Of how stats only tell half the story. Powe is not better than Odom, period. He’s an extremely efficient player, but an inferior defender, ballhandler, shooter, and an especially piss-poor creator (look at his abysmal pure point rating the last two years). Plus, these stats were acquired in limited minutes, so he’s liable for an efficiency drop if he plays similar minutes to Odom. Furthermore, Odom is a way better fit for what this team does on offense and defense, already has chemistry with the locker room, knows the triangle, and so on and such forth. Plenty of intangibles that the stats aren’t telling you here.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know ...

I think your using whatever numbers to rationalize the impending loss of LO. I like Powe’s game, but he’s no LO; in terms of the biggest intangible of all––versatility. Jackson was able to insert LO into any of the 5 positions on the floor and for the most part be able to contain his man defensively. Also, Bynum is still a question mark in that he really hasn’t played a full consistant season. While, when Bynum struggled LO replaced him seamlessly (between him and Gasol) while pulling down tons of rebounds and being a force inside. But what we’ll miss most about LO is the energy he brought off the bench AND at critical times keeping the Lakers in games while Kobe or Pau rested. And let us not forget that LO knows what it takes to win now. Sure as can be the Lakers will miss him… That being said, if Powe’s available he may be the best suited for the Odom-less Lakers, though there won’t be a Ring waiting for him in LA next year…

by Pedro's curse on Jul 17, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Powe

has no knees left to shred. ’nuff said.

by whorge on Jul 17, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn dude, you’re jocking powes balls hard. You should form a Leon powe fan club. Too bad you’re gonna be the only member

by robi s on Jul 17, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Schwartz thinks he is Jerry Maguire

Once upon a time I got cut off in Santa Monica by this benz. When I rolled into the parking lot of the mall I noticed that the @$$ that cut my of was no other than my favorite Clipper at the time Lamar Odom. He went inside the mall trying to buy a PS2 before it went out to the public. The store maanger said I don’t care who you are we cant give you want you want. – Moral of the story: Is Odom relapsing to his Clippers days when he tried to do stuff that he shouldnt do? In the end I could tell he was embarassed, lets all learn from our mistakes and not repeat them.

by Joaqu on Jul 16, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Joaqu that is some funny s@!#

by Pedro's curse on Jul 17, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

goddamn it

quit bitching and just sign that shit. this is pissing me off. you just won a goddamn championship ring!!!! you’re complaining about 9 mil a year? wtf is wrong with you? in this bad economy people are barely making over 20 grams a year which isn’t even enough to support a family, and you’re complaining about getting only 9 MILLIONS?!! you’ve made enough money for the past 10 years goddamn it. get over your ego and quit bitching, period. tired of this shit.

by xMUx on Jul 18, 2009 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

If you were in his situation

And you had a CBA expiring in a year or so with a poor outlook for player salaries, as well as this being your last guaranteed contract, you’d haggle for every last million. Don’t judge.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 18, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

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