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Do The NBA Playoffs Need To Be Shorter? We Debate

I floated around an idea that the NBA Playoffs are both too long and too big. A two month, 16 team marathon that minimizes the importance of the regular season and is filled with games that too many people, die hard NBA included, often forget. Now, I met some resistance. Others thought the playoffs were fine as is and that shortening them would be a mistake so here we go. One person to each side. I, ryebreadraz fighting for a shorter postseason and Sideout11 fighting for the status quo. What side are you on?

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Shorter Postseason- by ryebreadraz

The NBA Playoffs are too long and include too many teams, plain and simple. The playoff field should be cut and as a result, be one round shorter. Now, let me preface this with the acknowledgement that this would never, ever happen. While it makes competitive sense to change the playoff format, as you will see, it does not make financial sense and because of that, the playoff format as we know it is here to stay. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk about what should be though.

Now, I propose the playoff field be cut in half. Let’s make it four teams from each conference in the playoffs.

The point of the NBA Playoffs is to determine a champion and the league’s best team. A playoff berth are also supposed to be earned, not given. It is a place for the best to showcase what they’ve got, but it is no longer a place for the best. Of the 30 NBA teams, 16 of them make the playoffs so not only is it not a place for the best of the best, but you don’t even have to be in the top half of the league to get in. Since 2005-2006, 12 teams have made the playoffs with regular season record of .500 or worse. Teams that can’t even win more games than they lose are making the playoffs and are doing so regularly! I don’t think that’s excellence. The NBA Playoffs are no longer a place for the best, but instead a place for the best, the good, the mediocre and the not so good. That’s exclusive company.

A smaller playoff field will also bring some importance to the regular season. What else has the last month of the regular season become, but if nothing more than a time for the good teams to rest players and the rest of the teams to play for the right to be knocked out of the playoffs first. Imagine a basketball world where the final month of the regular season was reserved for teams that would actually have a chance to win the title to try and squeeze into the playoffs. Teams around the country would be battling it out for a chance to win the Larry O’Brien Trophy. Sure, teams battle it out now at the end, but how many Utah or Detroit or New Orleans fans really felt that if they had a real chance at winning a title? Take a look at baseball or football and see what the final weeks are like as teams battle it out for a playoff spot. There, the theater starts before the playoffs. I wouldn’t mind a similar scenario in the NBA.

Now, would the NBA really miss out of a deserving champion if the playoff field were cut in half? Well, besides the fact that the deserving champions would be required to be champions from day one of the regular season all the way through the NBA Finals, lower seeded teams haven’t made much of an impact in the playoffs. Sure, a lower seeded team wins a series from time to time, but they don’t have much chance of winning the title, which is what the playoffs are for. Since 1984 (lockout shortened season excluded), when the playoffs were expanded to their current size, only once has a team from outside the top four from either conference made it to the NBA Finals. So sure, you’re excluding some teams from the playoffs, but if history is an indicator, they don’t have a chance of playing for the title anyways.

A smaller postseason will also increase the number of important games throughout the playoffs and regular season. How many regular season games are really important and bring out a sense of urgency and intensity from BOTH teams? Half of the first round playoff games lack that too. Now if the playoffs included only four teams per conference, each playoff game would be competitive and intense.

The regular season would also be extra competitive. Teams would have to bring the intensity on a night in, night out basis and as a result, you could develop some true bad blood. That might bring…rivalries back to the NBA. Ever since the Lakers and Kings in the early 2000’s you could argue that there hasn’t been a single NBA rivalry. Well, it’s tough to develop a rivalry without many important games between teams. Rivalries require intensity and too many games don’t have it. If each division winner got a playoff berth and there was only one wild card, imagine the intensity each time the top teams in a division played? Whether it was November, January or April, that game would carry weight and bring an intensity that fuels rivalries.

Take a look at this past postseason. Boston and Chicago played a series for the ages. It was some of the best basketball you could ask for. Now, you may say that the Boston-Chicago series is evidence that the first round is great. I’d argue that a couple weeks after the series, nobody remembered the series and a few years from now, outside of those two cities, only the NBA’s die hard fans will even remember the series. The first round is so unimportant that even the best played of series are forgotten.

The casual NBA fan checks in here and there in the regular season, but really wait for the playoffs. Well, that fan no longer waits for the playoffs, but instead the NBA Finals. The playoffs are simply too long for a casual fan to watch intently. Cut a couple weeks and a round off of it and all of a sudden you can follow an entire postseason as a casual fan. Cut those teams off and you get epic series as well as an epic regular season finish and early season games that matter. Shorten the postseason and you get the NBA that should be, from the first game to the last.

Keep It As Is- by Sideout11


The NBA playoffs, while admittedly not perfect, is not in need of any tinkering.  Well, actually they should change one thing, and that is return to a five game series in the first round, but I will talk about that later.

As Rye mentioned, the point of the NBA Playoffs is to determine a champion and the league’s best team.  I don't think that anyone would doubt that past champions and runner-ups have been among the best from that season, and well deserving of their place in the finals.  So clearly the current format does not hinder quality rising to the top.  Lakers, Pistons, Spurs, and Heat were all first or second in their conference when they won the championship.

This does not mean, however, that there is predictability or a lack of excitement.  Many of those teams were challenged from the get go such as Lakers-Kings in 2000 and Celtics-Hawks last year.  Closing the gap in the records by downsizing to four teams does not guarantee more exciting match-ups.  One of the reasons for this is because often time big name matchups are overhyped and fail to live up to expectations, even when it is a well played series.  However, it's when you get unheralded match-ups like Bulls-Celtics and Warriors-Mavs that the real excitement is generated.& nbsp; These types of series can come from both the first round and the last, so I think that shortening the number of rounds, while increasing competitiion, might actually hurt the excitement factor.

As far as sub-.500 teams making the playoffs, this really is a non-issue in my mind.  It happens at most once a year, and when it does the team is usual only one or two games below.  Sure, you could look at the Eastern Conference last year and say, "the Hawks made the playoffs at 37-45," (and it's worth noting that they still gave the Celts all they could handle) but at the same time you would need to acknowledge the Warriors, who missed the playoffs at 48-34.  The strength of each conference ebbs and flows, so it's difficult to say that the bottom seeds are always undeserving.

Lastly, it is very difficult to establish rivalries in the NBA, again because of the ebb and flow issue.  There will always be Lakers-Celtics, Pistons-Knicks, etc, but the best the NBA can hope for past that is mini-rivalries like Lakers-Suns or Cavs-Wizards.  Very few teams are good year in and year out, so a long-standing rivalry is unlikely.  Also, the Lakers and the Spurs will meet each year regardless, whether you call it the first, second, or third round.

I agree that the playoffs are too long, but I also believe that only three rounds is too short.  This is why I would like to see the league return to a 5 game opening round.  I also have considered a 6-team format with the top two seeds getting a bye, but 4-7 less games is too much of an advantage in my opinion.

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The point of the NBA Playoffs is to determine a champion and the league’s best team.

The real point is to make money. But back to the subject. I think 16 teams are fine. Except for the 1 & 2 seeds, 3-6 match-ups tend to be even, and as we see with the West. The difference in record and talent between 2-8 is slim. As long as the NBA keeps the games every other night as they did this year (mostly), I ’m fine with it. It was the every 2-3 days that was unbearable.

What the NBA should do is change the lottery process. I think the teams who just missed or barely missed should get a better chance at #1 than the worst records. I’d rather a team on the cusp of being a really good team get better than a team so far down the beaten path that we miss future stars make an impact. Imagine if Kevin Durant went to a team that barely missed the playoffs? He’d be an All-NBA’er already and a real star. It forces teams to be accountable. I’m tired of watching the Clippers crap their way to high draft picks. NBA fans deserve to see high draft picks succeed.

by wondahbap on Jun 27, 2009 4:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Still sitting on the fence

If we had a shorter playoff series, we wouldn’t have seen what possibly was the best playoff series in the last decade between Chicago and Celtic.
On the other hand, regular season games seem to have less significance between two top teams as long as you are consistent throughout the rest of the season. Would 4 playoff teams make a difference? I’m not sure. What may happen, is that the fan interest may only be between 5-6 teams viable for a playoff berth, instead of 8-10 teams.
What annoyed me the most this year by far was the All Star Dunk Contest. It felt so fake and so scripted. It was like i was watching the WWE.

by Garrius on Jun 27, 2009 6:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

if the only solution to keeping teams with losing records out of the playoffs is by making the playoffs the top 6 seeds in each conference, then go for it.

by chaucer on Jun 27, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, bottom line for me if the Lakers are gonna lose make them shorter – less painful. If they are going to win then make them even longer.

This year I wish we could keep playing and beat the crap out of Boston a few games and then teach those Blazer fans not to schedule their parade / rally until after they win – or at least get out of the 1st round.

Dang, I still have Laker game withdrawal syndrome.

by lazNirv on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont mind the 16 teams

and i dont mind all the series being a best of seven. i mind the horrible days off that not nba basketball is even played. why not have some back to backs like the regular season? the fact that some series take two weeks because they have not only one day in between to “prepare” but two days, is horrible. im not saying have every series back to back to back, im just saying eliminate the two day lay off, and every series should have one back to back, this would shorten it by at least 2 weeks….

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Jun 27, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah but when do you play the back to back?

first 2 games? 2nd two games? either way you could argue its unfair.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jun 27, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

play back to back at the visitors arena, so games 3 and 4

i dont think thats unfair. lets make home court mean something besides game 7.

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Jun 27, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

homecourt is already pretty damn meaningful

beyond game 7. Having the first two games on your court is huge because if you go up 2-0, the series is pretty much over already. Homecourt team won the championship these past two years. Anyone know the stat on how often the team with homecourt wins a given series?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jun 27, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see understand both sides of the arguement but

I’ll agree with sideout but I would like to see the season 82 games be shorten to 60+ games to keep playoff teams intact and not injured so everyone can duke it out all even. I know injures will happen and shortening the season won’t kill all team ills but I think a lower season will be much better. I agree with all 16 teams playing in the playoffs because it makes things interesting and a surprise low team can shock someone at the top so I like the formular the way it is.

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 27, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For me, the magic number is 76 games:

Four games against teams in your own division, three games against teams in your conference but not in your division, and two games against teams in the other conference. Thus, the Lakers would play Pacific Division teams four times each, for a total of 16 games. They would play NW and SW Division teams three times each, for a total of 30 games, and then they would play Eastern Conference teams twice each, just as it is now, for a total of 30 games.

But that’ll never happen. Six fewer regular season games means six fewer chances to bring in revenue for each team, and that translates to 90 fewer games for the league as a whole. The end result would probably be higher ticket prices, and the decline in revenue for individual teams would certainly open the door for a contraction, which is the opposite of what the league wants. If the number of games in the regular season is going to change, which I don’t think it will for quite some time, at least until there are more teams added, then it would go up, not down.

by Darkemans on Jun 27, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with both

the reg season needs to be shortened in my opinion. there just seems no point to 82 games.

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Jun 27, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great point

NBA evolves around money so I understand why they wouldn’t attempt such changes now in these economic times but I surely think down the line they will get to fewer games.

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should send farmar, walton (or sasha) and morrison (or any combination of 3 of these four) and possibly a future pick for the rights of one ricky "el magico" rubio. the kid has mad skills. too many people r doubting him already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12FOZsjWxwk

by chaucer on Jun 27, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

god im tired of seeing this kid's face

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jun 27, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea

of trading away farmer, walton and morrison but not for rubio

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 27, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could then have the “spanish connection” gasol and rubio…

pg rubio
sg kobe
sf ariza
pf gasol
c bynum
imagine that line up?

by chaucer on Jun 27, 2009 7:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

automatically demote fish?

after what he has done and helped in the playoffs? doubt phil will go for that. well have to wait out fish. plus ive heard over and over the triangle doesnt need your prototypical pg like cp3 or deron williams. id rather add depth so our bench doesnt suck like this past year….

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Jun 27, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As the NBA grows

As more teams are added shouldn’t the discussion be more about adding more teams to the playoffs? I don’t understand that point of view where a fan of the game of basketball would like to see less of the game. The real issued is in the way in which the bracket is decided. That still is somewhat confusing. Also, why would we even consider taking only the top 4 teams from each conference? That would mean that the Rockets (8th) seed would not of won the title and that we would not of witnessed the Nuggets or Warriors eliminate a 1 seed.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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by bennie l on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who cares!!! My boyfriend thinks the same with me. He is eight years older than me, lol. We met online at Agelessmatch.com, a nice and free place for younger women and older men, or older women and younger men, to interact with each other. You may wanna check it out.

by bennie l on Jun 29, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rivalries?

Since when do the Pistons and Knicks have a rivalry, much less one on the order of Lakers-Celtics? I’m a Pistons fan, and I’m not aware of any such rivlary…enlighten me, please.

by cmomusicman on Jun 29, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NBA Conference Playoff Format needs to change...

Both the East and West Conference should change from the 2-2-1-1-1 to a 2-3-2 format throughout the playoffs and not just the NBA Finals. it makes for less travel and it saves both the teams the time and energy to go from one arena to the other.

by anboar on Jun 29, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Home court status

Even if you could arrange the schedule so that there would be fair home court advantage, it will never happen. You know why? MONEY…..Cut games, cut profits. Yep. That’s it in a nutshell.

by expectmiracles on Jun 29, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good as it is

Take the Chicago bulls this year
41-41 regular season record
lost 3 of 6 close games and one blowout loss to Boston
Miami however had a winning record but lost 4 blowouts to Atlanta
and Boston is better than Atlanta so how would Chicago have done against miami I wonder

by George I on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shorten the playoffs

It’s an easy decision if one factors out the money angle (I know, that’s the rub.) The season is 82 games. If a team played four series and all went to seven games, that’s an additional 28 games, or more than a third of the regular season. That is ridiculous.

by Dusty1 on Jun 29, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

IDIOTIC

if anything they should shorten the regular season. The playoffs are the best part of the year for me and many basketball fans. All games are televised, and you get to see the “real” stars. Thats like saying they should raise the rim to reduce dunking!

I think basketball is perfect the way it is. the playoffs allow us to concentrate the on the best of the best. Who wants to see the lakers have to play the bobcats, thunder, wolves, and grizzlies?!

some interesting ideas i’ve heard as far as changes in format are:
1) top four teams get to choose which teams they want to play from the bottom 4 of the playoff bracket. This way rivalries would form and there would be less chance of upsets

2) having a 5 game series for 3rd place between the conference losers.

by robi s on Jul 1, 2009 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

8 Teams or Best of 5

The NBA might consider only eight teams for the playoffs. If not, the first two series could be shorten to best of 5.

by S M on Jul 1, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep It as it is.

I watched EVERY game in the playoffs, and I loved it all. The Lakers were the champs, yet every series they had was competitive. Shortening the playoffs wouldn’t make sense because the first thing it would do is cut out all the Western Conference Playoff teams. The West as at LEAST 9 .500+ teams every year, to take out a round we be to take the chance to play away from 5 good teams.

I don’t understand that point of view where a fan of the game of basketball would like to see less of the game.

I totally agree, I love the playoffs, and its always better than the regular season. Even in a 1-8 matachup, its a battle between not only the players….but the coaches. Its a chess game that is non-existent in the regular season. The regular season can produce duds like the suns or other shooting teams with good records because they surprise people in the regular season. But the playoffs allows good teams…………AND great coaches to shine.
Keep it like it is, if anything…follow kenny smiths idea of taking the top 16 teams, regardless of conference.

by b_blue34 on Jul 2, 2009 6:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

playoffs

if lord stern would up the playoffs to first round 7 games 2 nd round 9 games 3 rd round to 11 games just think of the revenue it would create for the league, and piss on burning out the players well remember there is a fresh crop every june so burn out the high bucks players and sighn up fresh meat every year just think the players union could hide mega bucks or whats left after lord srern gives himself a killer raise and just think of how much of a christmas bonus he could rake in for himself and his mutley crew, no it is wrong but will anyone stop it hhhheeeeelllllllll no and you can take that to the bank.

by scottysmc on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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