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Why Shaq to the Cavaliers is a Bad Idea

You've heard the latest trade reports: Shaquille O'Neal is going to Cleveland, in exchange for Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, the 46th pick in the draft, and some cash.

On Cleveland's part, I believe the hoped for response from the rest of the league is something along the lines of, "Hole crap," or, "We're all screwed." Personally, I'm going the other way with it. This was a terrible idea, for just about every reason imaginable.

Read on...

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[Note:  This is absurdly long, but hey, look at the bright side – things have been slow around here lately, so this should more than make up for that.]


Let's do the conclusion first, and then we'll get into the details. This is a terrible trade, because it is not what Cleveland needs. Oh, the talking heads will tell you that what they need is a big, strong presence in the low post, to beef up their front line and provide some inside scoring. And if that were truly what Cleveland needs, then maybe this trade would be a good fit for them. But the truth is that the Cleveland Cavaliers were plenty good enough to win a championship as they were, and what they needed was a coach and an offensive system capable of getting more out of LeBron and his teammates on offense.

More on that later. For now, let's look at the flip side of the coin, where not only does Shaq not fill the Cavs' biggest needs, but he also presents a number of problems for the Cavs that I think will significantly outweigh any advantages he creates for them.


Let's Talk About Shaq

Ask yourself this: What is LeBron James' primary strength? The answer, of course, is his ability to get to and finish at the basket. He does this better than any other player. The rest of his game, offensively speaking? I have said for quite a while that if you can keep LeBron out of the paint and away from the basket, you can limit his effectiveness. Sure, every now and then he'll hit seven three-pointers and just shoot the lights out – but on most nights, you can count on him struggling if he can't get to the basket.

Now ask yourself this: What is the defining aspect of Shaq's presence on the court? The answer, in case that is a bit cryptic, is his ability to clog the lane. The man is huge. Unlike Dwight Howard, who is tall, strong and muscular while still being quite lean, Shaq is big and wide. When he is in the paint, there isn't much room for anyone else in there. For most of his career, this has proved to be an advantage for him. Offensively, he easily got great post position, sucking defenders in close and creating space for his teammates. Defensively, he left very little room near the basket for opposing players to operate. So long as he dominated, individually, it was a recipe for success.

But Shaq is 37 years old, and he'll be entering his 17th year in the league. Those are scary numbers for any big man, regardless of weight and conditioning. For Shaq, it's even worse. He's no Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – the weight he carries on his huge frame causes significantly more wear and tear over the long haul, and he has never had much of work ethic or cared much for being in decent shape.

In Phoenix, we saw what had always been Shaq's strength on the court become his team's weakness. Phoenix had relied much on Steve Nash's ventures into the paint, creating passing opportunities to cutting teammates, and on Amar'e Stoudemire's explosion into the paint, often feeding off of Steve Nash passes. At the same time, they were a running team, moreso than any team has been in years. They lived on the fast break, and when they couldn't score in transition, they scored early in the clock. With Shaq on the floor, all of these things disappeared. He clogged up the paint, leaving less room for Nash's quick penetration and no-look passes, and no room for Stoudemire to get to the basket. He slowed down the pace, lumbering up the floor, demanding the ball, and forcing Phoenix to run a more conventional inside-out offense. Suddenly, all of their offensive strengths had evaporated, replaced by weaknesses, by confusion and clutter.

In this scenario, LeBron James plays the roles of both Steve Nash and Amar'e Stoudemire. Like Nash, he is his team's assist leader, and most of his assists come from dribble-drive penetration and subsequent passes to cutting bigs or wide open perimeter shooters. Like Stoudemire, he's not a post-up player – his is an outside-in game, and he's at his best when he is blowing by perimeter defenders and making full use of the abundant space near the basket. Like both Phoenix players, the things he excels at are going to become more difficult with Shaq clogging the lane.

Consider how the Lakers beat the Cavs during the regular season, and to an extent, how the Magic beat them during the playoffs. Usually, Zydrunas Ilgauskas (a perimeter player disguised in a center's body) draws his defender out of the paint, leaving plenty of room for LeBron to operate once he is past the perimeter defense. Phil Jackson didn't take the bait; he was content to let Ilgauskas take wide open 18-foot jumpshots, leaving his bigs down low to deter James. The strategy worked. LeBron had a hard time getting to the basket, he struggled offensively, and he was even limited in his ability to get his teammates going. Meanwhile, Big Z taking long two-pointers isn't going to carry a team offensively. The Magic, of course, did some of the same – many of the highlight plays you saw during the Eastern Conference Finals featured LeBron James charging towards the hoop, with Dwight Howard coming out to meet him. Again, when Orlando left their big man down low and charged him with stopping LeBron James, the defensive tactic was largely successful.

With this move, the Cavaliers have done their opponents a favor. Previously, teams had to make the choice not to have their big men chasing Ilgauskas on the perimeter; now, the Cavs have decided to let opposing centers stay home. Now, when LeBron James drives, opposing centers won't be watching from the perimeter. They'll be taking up space in front of the hoop. And as if that wasn't enough, Shaq will be down there taking up even more space. Once he gets by the perimeter defense, where exactly is LeBron supposed to go?


Let's Talk About Speed

The primary problem with this trade, as I've just finished discussing, is that Shaq setting up shop in the paint leaves no room for LeBron, which threatens to impinge upon LeBron's biggest strength. However, the Shaq problems don't stop there. Again, the parallels to what Shaq did to Phoenix are pretty obvious. While Cleveland isn't running anything close to a D'Antoni offense, they are a team that still loves to get out on the fast break, and they do so more often than you might think (if, like many Lakers fans, you only see them a few times a year). They are very effective in transition, and I'm sure that LeBron and his teammates would love to run even more than they do now.

Once again, however, having Shaq on the floor is detrimental to game speed. He is San Antonio embodied in a single person (except nowhere near as classy, nor as devoted to defense), and when he is on the court the game slows down drastically. This has the opposite effect on the Cavs' offense than what they want. Say goodbye to any semblance of speed; this team won't be doing much running.

Let's spin things around for a moment, and instead of making a backwards-looking comparison, let's draw a parallel with the potential future. For LeBron, the primary draw of playing in New York in 2010 would seem to be the huge media market. In Cleveland, he is a superstar; in New York, basketball mecca and the biggest market in the sport, he would immediately transform into that global icon that he so desperately longs to be. But there is a second factor, not as widely discussed but almost as significant, that is surely tempting for LeBron James: the Knicks' head coach, Mike D'Antoni. (Somewhat indirect this time, but again with the ties to Phoenix.)

LeBron James making highlights in a D'Antoni offense in the biggest media market in the NBA? The idea alone must be basketball nirvana for LeBron James. Throw in a championship, and what more could an aspiring global icon/billionaire athlete ask for?

So you can understand my confusion when I learn that, with the danger of losing LeBron to that dream looming ever nearer and seeming ever more real with every passing day, the Cavaliers decide to go the other direction. Shaq clogging the paint and slowing the pace in Cleveland is the antithesis of LeBron running in New York. How can this be a good thing, and why would Cleveland do it?


Let's Talk About LeBron

Okay, let's talk less "X's and O's," and get into some of the more intangible aspects of the game with Shaq and LeBron on the same team. Let's talk about touches.

LeBron James dominates the ball like no other player in this league. Nobody touches the ball, or controls what happens with it, more than he does. Not a dominant scorer like Kobe Bryant, and not a dynamic passer who controls the offense like Chris Paul. LeBron touches the ball every time down the floor, and most of the time, he either takes the shot, or makes the pass that leads to the shot. He is the man; he is in control.

At the same time, Shaq has always demanded the ball, and he always will. Sure, he made an effort in Phoenix to accept that the Suns were Steve Nash's and Amar'e Stoudemire's team. But at the same time, Shaq's primary basketball philosophy is that things work better when the offense flows through him. Even if he isn't taking 25 shots in a game, he still feels that the offense needs to be run through him. And when the Suns struggled, what was Shaq up to? Was he taking the blame, talking about how he needed to make things easier for Nash and Stoudamire? No, he was up to his old tricks, talking about how he needed to get the ball more.

How exactly does that work in an extremely LeBron-centric offense? Shaq will submit to LeBron as the team leader and the primary scorer, but nothing will ever change Shaq's underlying basketball philosophy, and sooner or later he will be making it known that the offense needs to run more through him, and less through LeBron. How will LeBron James, the "King," feel about that?

In order for Shaq to be effective in some ways, perhaps offsetting some of the various problems he poses with his presence on the floor, he'll need the ball. And not just on a dive to the hoop created by a LeBron James drive. He'll need to set up shop in the paint, receive the entry pass, and have his coach and teammates let him go to work. He'll not only need the ball – he'll need to control the ball. How will LeBron respond to that idea? He's never really had to deal with that in the past.

How do you think Michael Jordan would deal with Shaquille O'Neal coming onto his team, and sooner or later, telling him how things need to be. No, LeBron is not Michael Jordan – but he plays that same alpha dog role on his team, he has that same status in Cleveland, and I think he sees himself as being in the same position as Mike was on his old Bulls teams. He is the man; the game revolves around him. Jordan would not have done well with Shaq on his team – even old Shaq. LeBron is a better teammate than Jordan was, but I still don't really see him reacting to favorably to Shaq's inevitable demands.

Shaq will rebel against the "LeBron Iso" offense, but LeBron is tremendously fond of that offense. How will that end?


Let's Talk About Cleveland

The question of who will control the ball leads me to an issue that I hinted at earlier in this post:  Size, strength, and length in the low post is not what the Cavaliers need most at this point. The pundits will tell you it is, but they're wrong.

The problem here is that the overall allergic reaction to blaming LeBron James for the Cavaliers' ECF loss, directly or indirectly, is causing everybody to approach this the wrong way. LeBron is untouchable. The media doesn't want to talk about what he did wrong in the Conference Finals, because he's their pride and joy, and they can't bring themselves to criticize him. The Cavaliers won't allow LeBron to take any blame, because they're just so afraid of bruising his fragile ego and pushing him even closer to New York. His teammates won't point any fingers at LeBron, because they would be laughed off the court by every other pro-LeBron interest group.

But the truth is that, either directly or indirectly, a large reason for the Cavs' Eastern Conference Finals loss was the way LeBron James played.

Since losing to the Magic, the talk has been that LeBron's "supporting cast" simply isn't up to par. He doesn't have talented enough teammates to win a championship. But before you buy into that rhetoric, ask yourself this: How does a team with one great player and a bunch of scrubs win 66 games in the regular season?

Or consider this: LeBron James isn't drastically better this year than he was last year. Individually, he was dominant last year, as well. In fact, his primary numbers have gone down slightly since last year. The biggest difference, for this Cleveland team, is not that LeBron was incredible – he has been that for a while now. It was that his teammates were also very good. That was the difference between 45 wins last year and 66 wins this year.

So how is it that now, when the Cavs lose in the playoffs, suddenly we forget how good LeBron's teammates were during the regular season, and the fact that it was their play that made the Cavs into the juggernaut they were during the regular season?

Now, it is true that LeBron's teammates struggled during the playoffs, and particularly against Orlando. But consider why that is? It's possible that they're just not good players, but considering what they did during the regular season, I find that highly unlikely. So what else changed during the playoffs, and particular during the Conference Finals? The offense did.

During the most regular season, the Cavs actually ran a real offense. This was a significant improvement over years past, when the Cavs ran what is commonly referred to as the "LeBron Iso" – with LeBron dribbling out half of the clock near halfcourt, then driving and creating either a shot for himself or a shot for a teammate. Essentially, it was wait and watch LeBron do something. This year, it was different. Players were moving, and the team actually ran offensive sets. Occasionally, LeBron even got the ball in motion, rather than having to set up beyond the three-point line and create for himself. The word was that coach Mike Brown had handed the reins to the offense over to a couple of assistant coaches, who had shown themselves to be more capable offensive coaches than Brown, and the result was very positive.

During the Eastern Conference Finals, the Cavs abandoned their offense and went right back to the "LeBron Iso." The result was gaudy numbers for LeBron, but significantly less efficient play from the team as a whole. While LeBron is a virtually unstoppable force, the LeBron Iso is much easier to stop than an offensive scheme in which players are moving, working together as a team, making extra passes, and finding open shots.

In a "real" offense, such as the one the Cavaliers utilized for much of the regular season, players remain involved, and as such, they play better. In the LeBron Iso, players find themselves standing, watching, waiting for LeBron to "do something." When they do get the ball, they are out of rhythm and uninvolved. The offense stagnates, and LeBron's teammates struggle.

This is why it is so important for the Cavaliers not to run the LeBron Iso as their primary offense. It is also why, when they did just that in the ECF, the offense sputtered and LeBron's teammates struggled. I don't know who's decision it was to abandon the offense and go back to the LeBron Iso – maybe it was Mike Brown's panicking and putting things in the hands of his star player, or maybe it was LeBron taking over and trying to prove himself on the big stage – but regardless, the end result was an ealier than planned playoffs exit. The rest of the team didn't perform poorly because they're subpar players – their regular season performance showed that to be the farthest thing from the truth. They performed poorly because LeBron's dominance of the ball took them out of the game.

If the Cleveland Cavaliers really want to improve to the point of being able to win a championship, the answer is not criticizing LeBron's teammates and bringing in Shaquille O'Neal. The answer is to recognize that LeBron's teammates are actually quite good, and that it was LeBron's ball dominance that caused them to struggle; the solution is to improve the offense, and to get their star player to stick to that plan regardless of what happens.


Let's Talk About Shaq

Wait, haven't we been doing that all along? Yes, but now it's time to talk about the extra-curricular activities that come included in the total Shaq package. You know this story well – from Orlando and Los Angeles, to Miami and Phoenix, every team has dealt with Shaq's drama, and every team has been thrown under the bus. This will happen in Cleveland as well.

What happens if Shaq doesn't get what he wants in Cleveland? He'll speak his mind at first. And if LeBron and the Cavs still don't budge? He'll turn up the heat. What happens if, in a low moment for the Cavs that Shaq inevitably blames on Mike Brown or even LeBron James, Shaq drops a line like, "Kobe wouldn't have done that." It seems crazy, but when the verbal sparring starts, Shaq goes for the lowest blow he can find, and that's just the kind of thing he would pull out of his hat. If it's not that, it will be something else. Will LeBron bite his tongue? Will the media laugh it off? Or will it cause the kind of drama storm that was a regular occurence when Shaq was in Los Angeles?

And what about LeBron's legacy? You know that as soon as Shaq arrives in Cleveland, he'll be pointing to his pinky finger and promising fans their long awaited championship. Has the media gotten over their Shaq crush, or will The Big Revisionist continue to shape the way victories and defeats are viewed?

This is a phenomenon that I refer to as the Shaq-22. If Shaq's team wins, he gets the credit; if his team loses, his teammates get the blame. That is how it has always been, though we saw a bit more realism in Phoenix. Has the media's love affair with Shaq finally passed, to the point that they will look past him and give credit and blame where it is actually due?

This is a bigger issue than you may think. If the Cavaliers win the 2010 Championship, it's possible that many will it as a direct result of Shaq's arrival. LeBron & Crew weren't able to get it done before, but now that Shaq has arrived, ta-daa! Championship. On the other hand, if the Cavs still fail to win the championship, how will that affect how people view LeBron James? Some people will begin to doubt him, questioning his ability to win a championship, pointing to the fact that he won 66 games in the regular season this year, but then couldn't win a championship even with Shaq added to the mix.

The question, in all of this, is how prominent these pro-Shaq perspectives will be in a year. In years past, Shaq would receive all of the credit for wins, and his teammates would receive all of the blame for losses. Has the media tide turned on him enough to prevent that from happening this time around? Personally, I'm not sure it's something I'd want to risk, and if I were LeBron James, I would not be looking forward to Shaq's media effect.


Let's Talk About This Trade

If I was Danny Ferry, I wouldn't have done this. If I was LeBron James, I wouldn't have wanted this. If I was a Cleveland sports fan, I wouldn't be feeling very good about this.

This isn't what LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers needed. What they needed was to recognize the strength of LeBron's supporting cast, and to admit and learn from the mistakes that LeBron and Mike Brown made in their approach to the Eastern Conference Finals, focusing more on developing an offense that got LeBron's teammates involved and made winning a team effort. Instead, they went for the publicity stunt and the quick fix – the one that allowed them to continue pointing fingers at everyone but LeBron James. Unfortunately, I think this trade will hurt them more than it will help them. It will clog the lane, making it more difficult for LeBron James to exploit his primary strength. It will drastically slow the pace down, rather than speeding it up and igniting the offense. It will create potential clashes on the court, as the team struggles to accommodate two players that require the offense to be run through them. It will create potential drama off the court, and could raise possible questions that could impact LeBron James' legacy.

And as if that weren't bad enough, everything potentially good about this trade is riding on the barely-operational body of a 37-year old, 350-lbs. center, who doesn't care much for conditioning, and whose back or knees could give out at any moment. In fact, Shaq is almost due for a major injury. If he can be the player he was in Phoenix, there's a chance for the Cavaliers to do some real damage, though I still wouldn't think this was a good idea. But if Shaq regresses to his Miami form even a little bit, the Cavaliers are screwed and LeBron is packing up his mansion and hiring a real estate agent in New York.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when the hopes of an entire city ride on a superstar whose contract expires soon. He is why the Cavs need so desperately to win a championship. He is also why they are pointing fingers in the wrong places, and trying to improve in the wrong ways.

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The transition stuff bugs me

Cleveland’s offensive game doesn’t change in transition because they suddenly have Shaq because LeBron is going to be light-years ahead of Shaq on the floor whenever the transition is going. Same thing happened in Phoenix. Also, Cleveland is effective in transition for the simple reason that it ends with either 1) LeBron finishing at the rim 2) LeBron drawing the foul while driving 3) LeBron dishing to a trailing shooter. Shaq isn’t going to be anywhere near this as it occurs and it’s not going to change because he’s on the floor. Aside from these transition opportunities, Cleveland isn’t an uptempo team, so Shaq isn’t going to interfere with the offense the same way he did in Phoenix.

As far as the half-court sets go, Cleveland’s biggest weakness for the past few seasons is that they literally had no post presence. Big Z would throw up a hook shot every so and then, but that was it. Orlando won the ECF because Howard was free to roam as there was always an offensive non-threat (Varajeo, Wallace) in Cleveland’s frontcourt, and with Orlando’s solid perimeter defense, LeBron was driving into Howard’s help, arguably one of the few players who are capable of remotely slowing LeBron at the rim, nearly all the time. With Shaq, Howard has to respect his post skills, and lanes will open because Shaq will draw at least a semi-double team (much how we soft-double teamed with our strong-side zone against Howard). Granted, Cleveland’s offensive coordination sucks to the point I’m not sure they can take advantage of this, but I digress. It’s not like the three-peat Lakers or the Wade-led Heat had zero opportunities to go to the rim.

As far as the inevitable personality clash goes, it will be Shaq’s desire to end his career with a last hurrah against his desire to be the star of the show. My sense is that the former is going to win out a good chunk of the time.

All this said, Orlando still presents too many matchup problems for Cleveland in my opinion (especially if Nelson comes back healthy and they resign Turkoglu), but remember that Shaq is the kind of player Howard is going to struggle against at this time in his career. He relies on his athleticism and strength to get points, and Shaq is too strong for him to effectively use these tools. Doesn’t matter all that much because Orlando will still torch Cleveland off the P&R, but that’s why Cleveland still needs a good wing defender.

I can’t blame Ferry for this either. Honestly, there were no other good options that still gave them flexibility for 2010 (i.e. Jamison would tie up cap space). Losing James is pure disaster for Cleveland — he has to win now and maximize this roster as much as he can within this time frame. This was as good as it was going to get. We’ll see how it pans out next season.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 1:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Good points

But I disagree in one sense – I don’t think sharing the ball will be a problem from Lebron’s perspective. Lebron does dominate the ball (not as much, I’d argue, as Chris Paul) but this year the Cavs created more movement in their offense and had plays where Lebron stands stationary on the wing and the other players go to work.

Lebron is smart enough to do whatever will put the Cavs in a position to win. He understands they need to improve from last year, and I think he’d welcome the chance to give up some offensive responsibility.

Also, while I agree that their offense stagnated against Orlando, my opinion is that the primary problem was their defense. They just had nobody to match up with Dwight Howard, Z looked like a fool against him. Shaq solves that problem. Could they have picked up a big body without clogging up the lane? Probably, but I do think Shaq helps them match up quite a bit better with the defending EC champs.

by Snoopy2006 on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree with you..

…about the regular season. But that’s the point. I didn’t see any of that during the Orlando series. Had they continued to do that during that series, things might have been much different.

All I saw in watching the ECF was LeBron trying to take on Orlando by himself, especially in the later games. It’s pretty easy to recognize, being that Kobe has been there and done that in the past. And of course, Kobe had a few of those moments in these playoffs, as well, though by and large he resisted that temptation and did very well keeping his teammates involved.

In the ECF, the movement in the offense and plays that didn’t involve LeBron disappeared. It’s not that LeBron didn’t share – he did. It’s how he did it. They went back to the LeBron Iso, and by the time LeBron shared the ball (near the end of the shot clock, after having done his thing), there was nothing left to do but shoot – often a contested shot. That’s pretty different from initiating an actual offense earlier in the clock that gives you the opportunity to find a good shot. The was basically a 3-option offense: (1) LeBron chuck up a 3, (2) LeBron drive and shoot, (3) LeBron drive and pass to a shooter who shoots and doesn’t really have the option of making extra passes, using the offense to find a shot.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 25, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq will miss...

most of the regular season anyway, and bitch when he is healthy for the playoffs that Lebron didn’t feed him the Rock when they lose in the second round.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jun 25, 2009 2:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont agree at all....

I agree about Shaq clogging the lane and slowing the pace, but this is a bit of an exageration.

You’re overlooking the fact that Phoenix simply didnt have the depth and personel the Cavaliers do. Yes it would be naive to say Shaq will change his ways, and merely be a piece into Lebron James team, but the bigger picture is that Shaq gives the Cavs another weapon, another source for offense. He may be getting up their in age, but aside from Houston, Orlando, and the Lakers, there are still very few teams that can matchup with Oneal.

Pau exposed Dwights weakness this past finals, and that is that if you keep Dwight a step or two away from his normal spots, Dwights offensive efficiency goes drastically down. I GUARANTEE Dwight is not going to drop 40 on shaq. Shaq instantly gives the Cavs a counter move to Boston and Orlando’s massive centers. It will be a real treat to see Shaq matchup with Perkins, Davis, KG, and Dwight, for 8 games next year at the very least.

Also remember the Cavs problem this year wasn’t on offense,, it was their defense. If Gasol was able to neutralize Dwight, god only knows how far Shaq can keep Dwight away from the rim. If the Magic are unable to keep Hedo, Lebron will be able to take Rashard, and there will be no Hedo to burn the Cavs over and over again.

In addition, the Sun, unlike the mavs, had 0 shooters aside from nash. The cavs meanwhile have west, szcerbiak, james, and williams.

Lastly, the Cavs didnt lose anyone! If they want to open up the lane, all they have to do is wait for a dead ball and sub out shaq. If this years lakers have taught us anything, it should have been the importance of being versatile and having MULTIPLE options.

The Shaq-Lebron combo follows the tried and true combo of Inside-Outside scoring threats (West-Chamberlin, Magic-Jabbar, Penny-Shaq, Drexler-Olajuawon, Houston-Ewing, Hardway-Morning, Stockton-Malone, Kobe-Shaq, Parker/Manu-Duncan, Shaq-Wade, Pierce-KG, Lewis/Hedo-Howard, and Kobe-PAU).

There’s no reason Shaq-Lebron cant succeed aside from health. Kobe and Wade were able to drive to the basket with Shaq, and Lebron can too.

side note: how crazy would it be if shaq won a title with all three: Kobe, Wade, and Lebron.

by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Wings are the Cavs problem

I think you have a legit point about Shaq helping the Cavs.

It’s an experiment that will either succeed or fail extremely badly.

But the Cavs’ wing players are seriously lacking – as evident against the Magic when their wing players (including Mo Williams) disappeared. I think the Cavs supporting players still aren’t up to par with their competition in the East (mainly Magic and Celtics).

Having Shaq might clog up the paint, but it doesn’t help their wing play at all either.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but Lebron is not a legitimate outside threat

Yes, his outside shot has improved. But it is nowhere near Kobe’s level when Shaq was in LA, or near Wade’s level when Shaq was in Miami (remember that fallaway bank shot Wade had?).

I ask you this, what perimeter go-to move does Lebron have? His pull up?

Kobe and Wade were able to drive to the basket with Shaq because opponents had to respect their outside game. I don’t think Lebron is there yet. Unless his jumper becomes remarkably consistent over the summer, teams are going to sag off him and clog the paint.

by hertagnism on Jun 25, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers - Cavs Final?

I see the Cavs being weaker with Shaq’s drama moving to Cleveland….And it will be interesting to see how LeBron deals with the Shaq drama vs. how Kobe dealt with it.

But man would I love to see a Lakers- Cav final and have Kobe destroy two birds with one stone!

by jmn on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 AM PDT reply actions  

More like X-MAS

The league is going to want to schedule a Lakers / Cavs christmas showdown.
Or another Boston or Orlando finals rematch.

But Cavs / Lakers Finals isn’t going to be happening (barring any significant injuries knock on wood for the Lakers or Boston and Orlando).

Because as much as Shaq has the potential to help the Cavs, they’re still not getting past Orlando or Boston with that crappy bench and lack of lockdown wing defender.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

This all comes down to one thing...

…how the Cavs plan to use Shaq. Two reasons why the Cavs lost to the Magic. Their inability to have good enough defensive players to defend the wing. The Shaq-Kobe Lakers teams had nothing but defensive minded players. This Cavs team doesnt. Obviously there is no way that Shaq solves that problem. Actually he might even be more of a liability with the pick n’ roll. The second reason that most important reason why the Cavs lost in the playoffs was because the Cavs had no post game. The Lakers and Kobe were so effective because they played from the inside – out. On the other hand the Cavs would give Lebrick the ball at the top of the key and just watch him attack the basket while everyone stood around. If the Cavs use Shaq by going inside out then this team could be effective. That still doesn’t solve their defensive problems on the perimeter because Lebron can’t do that all by himself.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions  

This guarantees LBJ is leaving.

Shaq will ruin this team with his grandstanding and attention needs.

The X’s and O’s don’t work. Seeing that LBJ cares SO MUCH about his image and perception, I’m surprised he would take this risk. A lot to lose from that standpoint. You know Shaq will praise him up until they fail, and he’s back on Kobe’s bandwagon

The Big Sidekick.

by wondahbap on Jun 25, 2009 6:52 AM PDT reply actions  

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about

No accountability within the Cavs’ organization for LeBron

Woj has a pretty damn good point when he says that the Cavs have obviously had the talent to get pretty far and accomplish some pretty impressive things these last three years. The problem is that LeBron is drinking his own Kool-Aid, and he honestly is trying to out-Kobe Kobe in the playoffs. He wants to prove he can be the guy to do it all. You know how people have said for years that Kobe can win a game all by himself? LeBron wants to do that… in the playoffs, with everyone watching.

Factor in the Lakers’ success… had LeBron pulled it off, nobody would have been talking about Kobe. They would have been fawning over LeBron. That is what he wanted. That is what he tried to make happen. It didn’t work. He took his group of teammates who won 66 games this year, and turned them into bystanders, only useful when he called on them – which was usually when they were out of rhythm and unable to contribute efficiently. The thing that changed from the regular season to the ECF was that LeBron went back to the LeBron Show, and it didn’t work.

Kobe can tell you that stuff doesn’t work in the playoffs. I sincerely think that since his amazing performance against Detroit a couple years ago, LeBron thinks it should work. And he thinks it will. And he thinks if he does that, he’ll get the adulation he wants. And there’s no one in the Cavs organization willing to stand up to him on that issue.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 25, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

you may have a point, you may not

no one is really in lebrons head to make the call of whether lebron wants to do it all by himself.

he may or may not have learned from kobe’s plight. Kobe unfortunately had to spend two years with the lakeshow being his show. kobe during those years was a classic example of how superstars need a complimentary star to be effective. There is no jordan without pippen, no malone without stockton, and no kobe without shaq. Just look at mcgrady, carter, nowitski, kg, and pierce. all those guys were superstars by themselves, but yet none of them ever stood a chance at winning by themselves.

It’s widely acknowledged that lebron knows his nba history. He knows theres never been a player to have won a ring by himself.

The only reason he took over this year, was cuz his teamates disapeared. they cracked under the pressure. It was very similar to the way kobe took over the phoenix series by in 2006.

Shaq and lebron are big jokestars. sure shaq is crazy enough to think that teams are always better running the ball through him, but if there is one guy with enough power and influence over his team to tell shaq to STFU its lebron.

Hey guys lets just look at this like a giant experiment, just like when bos got marbury, with the huge exception that shaq is getting paid 21 million for this experiment. but just like in boston, clev lost nobody. Adjustments will of course be made to try to make the experiment work.

The cavs werent going to beat anyone with the squad they had prior to getting shaq anway. They didnt lose any integral players. Shaq just gives them a new look. If the experiment fails, at least ferry can say he did a great job getting a hall of famer for nothing. Don’t even kid yourself thinking the cavs could have gotten a better trade with another team for the little they paid. Tyson chandler? ppleaseee

by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason he took over this year, was cuz his teamates disapeared. they cracked under the pressure. It was very similar to the way kobe took over the phoenix series by in 2006.

Man, you and I were watching two different series. In the one I watched, LeBron took over before his teammates had a chance to crack.

I think sometimes we assume that LeBron already knows all the lessons. The truth is, he has to learn them too. And after being the guy that always took over for his team if they were going to win a series, I think he’s gotten used to thinking that’s how it’s supposed to be. He didn’t take over because his teammates cracked – he took over because in his mind, that’s what he does, and as a result, his teammates never had a chance.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It must be a cold day in hell, because I actually agree with J.A. Adande

[LeBron]‘s going to have to make some major adjustments next season. Shaq isn’t the type who can just play off another guy. He’s at his best when the offense starts with him and runs through him. LeBron hasn’t played with someone like that before. He also hasn’t played with someone who occupies so much space in the paint, something it took Steve Nash a while to get used to after O’Neal was traded to Phoenix last year.

Link.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Totally agree with your post and the link.

I rarely agree with the MSM myself.

I was shocked and surprised when the Suns got Shaq. I mean that trade happened after we got Gasol. I think the Suns reacted wrong to our trade and needed to do something, however it was wrong one and the Cavs are doing the same thing.

LeBron will have to learn the way Kobe did. This is a team game and if LeBron was watching the Finals the he should know that by now. Maybe the Cavs need someone to matchup with opposing centers, Shaq isn’t the one though.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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by weazel on Jun 25, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

who do you suggest would have been better to stop dwight, tyson chandler? eric dampier? kwame brown?

The only player that couldve possibly helped to the level of shaq is MAYBEEEEE rasheed wallace. And we all know how great he is for team chemistry.

by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes sir I think Josh earned his pay with this post.

I think the Shaq trade destabilizes Cleveland, and that is a happy thing for me because I (don’t want to sound bitter) don’t want Lebron to ever win a ring. Reason being even before he came into the league he was being anointed as the ‘Saviour’!!. I as what was he saving? Just thing about it, when LBJ came into the Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett, C-Webb, etc were all in their primes. The West in particular was stacked so the only thing he was saving was the L-east.

His anointment comes from the Jordan lovers who saw Kobe as a threat. All Kobe ever did was want to be the best and come into the league that was still owned by Jordan at the time.

I know I strayed from the point but anyway Cleveland wont be going to the L-eastern Conference finals next year because it will be Orlando vs Boston.

by wayde_316 on Jun 25, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll really find out if ego > championship

The potential for a Shaq + Lebron combination is pretty scary (especially if the Cavs nab a third player), but it will depend on whether Shaq is willing to put his ego aside to win a championship (which is a decent chance, considering Shaq’s potential motivation).

I think the Cavs need to make this move with regards to it being the only big guy they can get without giving up any actual pieces, and being stuck in a conference with Dwight + Garnett. But I don’t know if this puts them over the hump or not.

by Cybit on Jun 25, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions  

This tradeis the big out for LeBron.

I think Danny Ferry only makes this happen because LeBron says to. It’s a double edge sword. The Cavs have guaranteed themselves a huge makeover after next season. What edge does that give them over going to NY or any other team?

None. But LeBron is smart enough to know that when it does;t work out, he can blame the FO and leave because of the lack of savvy FO moves. Shaq?

by wondahbap on Jun 25, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I have no idea how this is going to turn out

The only thing I can say with much certainty is that Shaq will play fewer than 65 games in the regular season.

I think a motivated Shaq could be a force, especially against the East bigs not named Dwight Howard.

But while Lebron-Shaq sounds ominous for the rest of the league, it could be like one of those movies with an up and coming actor and a big name movie star, that falls flat because everyone expected so much, just based on the name recognition, forgetting that the big name was washed up.

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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 25, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

In Theory, It's a Good Idea To have Shaq go to the Cavs.

The Cavs need a dominating inside presence and while Shaq is no longer in his prime, he still presents a big body inside that will help free up space for Lebron. Also, just the sheer girth of Shaq will pose problems for opposing centers and power forwards trying to guard him. Who do you guard? Shaq or Lebron? In theory, double teaming Shaq won’t be good because it’ll definitely free up Lebron, but double teaming Lebron will free up Shaq to gobble up rebounds and put backs.

In theory, it’s a good trade for the Cavs, but there’s also Shaq’s age that has to be factored in (although I’m sure he’s going to work twice as hard now that he’s been sent to a contender), I just hope the Suns don’t get shafted and get a bag of peanuts for Shaq. Varajao should be sent for Shaq.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

The Suns got Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, and cash

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

They are all expiring contracts and Ben Wallace will probably retire.

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sasha’s contract is partially guaranteed (my bad)

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I didn't mean the suns got Varajeo.

I only meant that they should have talent-wise.
Wallace and Sasha don’t really give back the same time of offense or defense (or half the commanding attention Shaq does).

I always thought the Suns had a good core of Nash and Amare … they don’t have to necessarily blow up the team, they can still "rebuild" with those two as their core guys. That’s why I was thinking if they were going to trade Shaq away, they might as well get a semi decent player in return.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I get what you mean, but Varajeo has said he’s going to opt out. (I don’t know why he would do that)

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Varajeo?

The whole point of this trade for Phoenix was to cut salary, with a chunk Pavlovic’s contract being non-guaranteed and Wallace probably willing to take a buyout to retire.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only meant that Wallace and Sasha don’t really give back the same time of offense or defense (or half the commanding attention Shaq does).

I always thought the Suns had a good core of Nash and Amare … they don’t have to necessarily blow up the team, they can still “rebuild” with those two as their core guys. That’s why I was thinking if they were going to trade Shaq away, they might as well get a semi decent player in return.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nash isn’t a good building block for a future team — he has two or so good years left in him before he starts a big decline, and I personally think he’s going to leave for New York as soon as his contract is up. Phoenix’s best prospects right now is to build around Amar’e for the future, but given how atrocious his defense is and his general lackadaisical attitude, I’m not sure he’s the best cornerstone for your franchise.

As far as trading Varajeo to give Phoenix some basketball value in the trade, it makes sense, but you have to remember that Phoenix doesn’t want to take any salary right now. Best thing they could do is rebuild through the draft now, as their days of contending are pretty much over.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Draft buzz: Knicks buy Lakers’ pick
New York Knicks officials are telling peers they have purchased the Lakers’ No. 29 pick.

The Knicks are planning to draft a point guard with their choice at No. 8, and sources say they’re targeting a big man at 29.

Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak said on Wednesday the team hoped to sell its pick and use to money to help re-sign free agents Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-draftbuzz062409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Ouch

Not so happy about this. Why not draft an international prospect like Claver or Jerebko or leave open the possibility of Calathes dropping to us? It’s especially worrying because we don’t have a first-round pick next year.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why draft an International Player?

Use the money to re-sign Odom and Ariza, and maybe free up some cash to sign Brown. I think Brown will be a casualty as the Kings will over pay him with the MLE.

by 81 Witness on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Money concerns?

Because we don’t have to pay them or keep them on the roster this year. We’re going to leave Claver, Jerebko, or whatever prospect we have in Europe a few years for them to develop. I hardly think an extra $3 million one way or another is going to be a deal-breaker for Buss in terms of resigning our free agents.

And the Kings giving Brown the MLE? They already shot themselves in the foot with the Udrih contract. They’re not signing another guard, especially with their pick at #4 practically guaranteed to be their starting point guard.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are under-evaluating the importance of money concerns. We have a championship roster. Ariza and Odom are key cogs. Let’s say we do resign them both and draft the prospect and keep him stashed away in Europe. There will be no minutes for him when we do bring him overseas in 4 or 5 years. By then we’d have to trade him for…. who knows? The value might have gone down by then.

by hertagnism on Jun 26, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

are the kings seriously giving Brown the MLE?

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it

Not that I actually doubt this report—it makes sense—but I believe that according to league rules, the Lakers actually have to make the pick first, and then trade the player to the Knicks, rather than trading the pick itself. It’s a technicality, but it’s in play. Of course, the Lakers and Knicks may already have agreed to the terms in principle, meaning that the Lakers will pick whoever the Knicks want at that time, but until the 29th pick comes around and a big man the Knicks want is still available, it’s still pending, I think.

by BrianTung on Jun 25, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Oops...

Apparently I misread the limitation: You can’t trade future picks in consecutive years. See FB&G for a full account…

by BrianTung on Jun 25, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing to point out.

Everyone was talking about Kobe can’t win on without Shaq. Shaq won 3 titles with Kobe, 1 with Wade, and now he is on his way to Cleveland. Looks like Shaq needs a star player more than a star player needs him.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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by weazel on Jun 25, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Shaq has always had a superstar wing player. People forget how good Hardaway was before his injuries stole his thunder.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa Vince Carter to Orlando
The New Jersey Nets are in advanced discussions to send Vince Carter(notes) to the Orlando Magic for Rafer Alston(notes), Tony Battie(notes) and Courtney Lee(notes), a source with knowledge of the negotiations told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AlYTLHeRucZtrbNJBzEUW28vLYF?slug=aw-cartertrade062509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

It looks like the battle for the L-eastern conference is finally going to become

interesting again since the days of the Bull-Pacers, Knicks-Heat, Bulls-Knicks, Knicks-Pacers rivalry in the 90’s.

It would be interesting because the L-east has been so weak this decade the top 2 teams have been able to feast of the largely scrub teams and inflate their record.

Out West it’s a constant battle each night, and as far as i’m concerned the weak/losing teams in the West are that simply because they are in the West. (Well maybe with the exception of Sacramento who decided to give the Pacific Division a bad name and win just once against the L-east).

by wayde_316 on Jun 25, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams Are going CRAZY

What is up with all these crazy trades?!

This has been an even more entertaining offseason than last year.
Just shows how weak this year’s draft is.

I’m looking forward to next year’s potential crazy offseason.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do I get the feeling the offseason isn't done yet?

Boston ready to make a move yet?

With this trade, Orlando have got to be the favorites coming out of the East next season. This is even worse news for Cleveland.

by hertagnism on Jun 25, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The EAST's Top 3

Is going to be crazy.

I’m waiting to see if anyone on the West that are threats to the Lakers (besides the Spurs) are going to be making big crazy trades (New Orleans, Houston, Nuggets, Mavs, etc). T-Wolves don’t really count do they?

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rockets are trying to get into the lottery by basically putting everyone on their roster up for grabs, but I’m not sure if anyone will bite.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

East coast teams are stocking up.

Cleveland needs to improve so they can stop Orlando and Orlando needs to be more than a 3—point shooting team since they couldn’t handle us.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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by weazel on Jun 25, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

so the question is, who's going to get Hedo?

Houston?
Boston?
Cavs?
Hornets?
Mavs?
Blazers?
Spurs?
Suns?
Jazz?

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jun 25, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Detroit. They have the most cap space.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland would be my guess

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahah yea and portland is already scary. They are on the brink of becoming an elite team, and the lakers know it (hence the scuffles and bad blood)

by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

There has been bad blood between the Lakers and Portland before this season..

by intuitive on Jun 25, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nets and rebuilding

It bears noticing here how well the Nets have handled their rebuilding process though. They’ve now traded away the main three pieces of their Finals core (Kidd, Carter, Jefferson) and gotten back a solid slew of young players to build around. Another lottery pick or two and a few years of development and they’re a playoff team. A solid trade and they can contend. This is a solid rebuilding process that has put itself in the best possible situation to succeed.

by Ben R on Jun 25, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

the lakers did a much better job rebuilding....

god i love la, the lakers, our gm, and jerry bus. Watching teams like the clippers, suns, memphis, golden state, and sac suffer really makes me appreciate how great our organization is. only the lakers can somehow turn an aging shaquille oneal into pau and lamar. sure we had to go into the dark years (all of 2 years with the kwame brown experiment), but it was well worth it considering we could be like portland, kings, suns and soon to join SA, who all fell apart for 5 years after watching their windows close as the lakersflourish.

as for the nets….rafer alston, courtney lee? thats the best they could get for a “franchise” player. They all ready have harris whose their future, alston was a poor acquisition. I would have tried a sign and trade straight up vince for hedo, since orl is going to lose hedo anyway. that backcourt is wayyyy to crowded.

If anyone did a great job rebuilding is portland, from jailblazers to this crazy athletic versatile team?!

by robi s on Jun 25, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

…Carter for Turkoglu? Add big salaries onto a rebuilding team that will have space for two max contracts around a solid young core in 2010? Yeah, you have no bloody idea what rebuilding constitutes.

by Ben R on Jun 27, 2009 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't an awful idea...

If I was LeBron, I think I would actually be pretty happy with this trade. True, LeBron and Shaq both have enormous egos, but LeBron might finally be the one to shut Shaq up, though it’s doubtful I admit. But, the real reason this is smart is because of what LeBron wants, not what the Cavs want. LeBron wants to go to New York and he wants a ring. It’s a toss up as to which one he wants more. This way though, he can possibly have both. If Shaq pans out and the Cavs win the championship, LeBron will have his ring and most of the credit, along with the option to leave Cleveland. If nothing else, he can put it down to Shaq being too difficult to continue playing with or something. But, if the Cavs lose, LeBron gets outta Dodge, makes a billion and Shaq’s reputation is finally broken beyond repair. He nearly ruined Kobe, and if he comes anywhere near to causing the same kind of problems in Cleveland as he did in LA, the LeBron Army will rip him apart. Basically, this is win-win for LeBron, because either way he’ll end next season with a ring or a one-way ticket to Jay-Z’s waiting arms

by ChrisP0905 on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

You've got a point

This is ideal for LeBron. And hell, even if they win in 2010, the Shaq deal still isn’t a long term fix, which still puts LeBron in prime position to say, “Look, you put together a good short term team, but now you’ve got nothing again, and I’m not going through another rebuilding process – I’m outta here.”

All the more reason it was a dumb, dumb deal for the Cavs. I’m not convinced it helps them win a championship, and yet it clearly also doesn’t help them entice LeBron to stay beyond 2010.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks phoenix

old ass shaq playing in that quick ass cleveland offense.vince went to magic,lol keep stacking the team van dummy…los lakers win at least 2 more championship in a row

by bojackson34 on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally Agree

Wow! I never thought that what you think was exactly I was thinking all these time along. I think the Cavs choke and LBJ wants to show the world that he is really the anointed one which backfires. LBJ resorted in to the Iso and lost in the ECF. What the Cavs really need is a good defender like Ariza or a good PF like Boozer. Shaq will not solve the Cavs problem at all. Shaq maybe more of a step back for them. Look at what happened in Phoenix. Has all these GMs not learned a lesson from that trade yet?

by Slam Dunk! on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Orlando vs Boston

I think it will be Magic vs. Celtics in the ECF. With KG back in the Celts fold and Hedo returning to Magic plus VC, these two teams will be the teams to watch in the East.

by Slam Dunk! on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Don’t think the Magic can re-sign Hedo, especially now that they got Vince

by intuitive on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lebron and Shaq

The author of this topic contradicted himself several times, but overall I agree that bringing in Shaq is very risky. But I do understand why Cleveland made the move and with what they gave up is worth the risk. Blaming the coach was foolish. Orlando was a better team because their players stepped up and played better than Cleveland’s did. Lebron got his touches, points, assists and rebounds. The coach didn’t restrict him at all. The NBA is about matchups and they simply got a team in the conference finals they did not match up well against, regular season or playoffs.

by gunslinger91 on Jun 26, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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by bennie l on Jun 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

pray that next year Lakers will not reach the finals!

or else they will be humillated for sure by the mighty CAVALIERS!

by the78throman on Jun 29, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions  

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