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The Credits 6/18/09

Now that No. 15 is in the books and the Parade is over, we will gradually get back in the groove of linking more non Lakers related NBA content.  Here are today's Lakers Links

Parade Links:

Parade central: Your one stop for Lakers' parade coverage - OCRegister.com

Scenes from the Los Angeles Lakers' championship parade - Ball Don't Lie

All of the Los Angeles Times Links

Forum Blue And Gold " Deconstructing Kobe
There is no doubt that this title meant as much to Kobe, and to the public’s perception of his legacy, than perhaps any title has meant to any player in recent memory. In that spirit, we have been showered with stories praising Kobe, dissecting his relief, evaluating his transformation, figuring his place in history, analyzing his relationship with Phil and his teammates, etc., etc., ad nauseam. This has been fun, even if much of it is puffy, revisionist, or based on somewhat distorted generalizations about the facts (both statistical and otherwise).

But we’ve also seen something of a Kobe backlash....

...The goal of the Kobe hater is clear: undermine, undermine, undermine. Now, as a Laker blog we are duty bound to defend our shining knight. More significantly, we are a blog devoted to reason, evidence, and substantive discussion. We despise fluff and all of its corollaries. As this recent wave of Kobe attacks are based on shallow and/or false interpretations of the factual record (or no facts at all), they will be addressed in turn.


There is no doubt that this title meant as much to Kobe, and to the public’s perception of his legacy, than perhaps any title has meant to any player in recent memory. In that spirit, we have been showered with stories praising Kobe, dissecting his relief, evaluating his transformation, figuring his place in history, analyzing his relationship with Phil and his teammates, etc., etc., ad nauseam. This has been fun, even if much of it is puffy, revisionist, or based on somewhat distorted generalizations about the facts (both statistical and otherwise). But we’ve also seen something of a Kobe backlash.... ...The goal of the Kobe hater is clear: undermine, undermine, undermine. Now, as a Laker blog we are duty bound to defend our shining knight. More significantly, we are a blog devoted to reason, evidence, and substantive discussion. We despise fluff and all of its corollaries. As this recent wave of Kobe attacks are based on shallow and/or false interpretations of the factual record (or no facts at all), they will be addressed in turn.

 

(This was a respnse to Bandwagon Billy Simmons irresponsible Kobe article.  We linked this yesterday, but we will link it again for those who may have missed it while you were celebrating the Parade.)

Hardwood Paroxysm " Blog Archive " Respect
However, the one thing I am most grateful for today is, in so few words, hope. I hope that this title, this vindication of Kobe, this dominating performance throughout will finally turn the tide on the Laker chatter throughout the blogosphere and in the MSM. Sure, winning it all isn’t going to make Kobe haters less angry. Far from it. But, what it can do, and what I hope it actually does, is turn the Lakerrati away from always being on the defensive, always up in arms about Kobe and the rest and turns that passion into peace.

 

(In a perfect world, the Corndogg would be correct, but unfortunately, I see things only getting worse, because now the irrational Kobe haters will only dig for more absurd reasons to discredit Kobe and the Lakers, as Bandwagon Billy proved.)

Lakers parade was about one thing: Joy  - OCRegister.com
When Derek Fisher looks back at the footage of the Lakers’ championship parade, he’ll see himself and think the same thing he already thought upon first seeing replays of himself the night the championship was won. "I can see it in my own face," Fisher said. "I’m just really happy." It’s really an interesting way to put it. Our joy comes from within, but the expression of it is far more telling than the feeling itself. That’s what parade day Wednesday was about: the expression of joy. Yes, Phil Jackson is absolutely right when he says it’s about the journey. Each moment exists as its own slice of life. Nevertheless, rarely does any moment reach as elevated a natural high as this one.

More Links after the Jump...

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Lakers, Magic face tough free agency decisions in NBA offseason - Chris Mannix - SI.com
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Standing on a hastily erected dais at center court in Amway Arena, Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak sported a toothy grin that extended from ear-to-ear. The team that he meticulously assembled over the last few years had climbed the NBA mountaintop, and for the next few days he would reap the rewards in the form of congratulatory phone calls and text messages from his peers and a raucous parade through the streets of Los Angeles. Right around the time Kupchak was standing tall after Sunday's Game 5 clincher in the NBA Finals, Magic GM Otis Smith walked slowly through a winding hallway in the back of the arena. The feeling was less than sweet for Smith, who put together an unorthodox roster that shocked the basketball world with its march to the NBA Finals. In the next few weeks, however, the emotions of Kupchak and Smith will eventually come in sync. Kupchak's euphoria will subside; for Smith, the sting of Orlando's loss will ease. And then both men will find themselves with the same task: How do they do it again? Both teams have significant decisions to make this offseason that will affect their ability to get back to this stage. Let's examine both teams.

Where does this Lakers' title rank, and what happens next? - OCRegister.com

No reason to think Kobe won't win another title - FOX Sports on MSN
When Michael Jordan won his fourth NBA championship, at age 33, he held up four fingers to the United Center crowd. Then, with a playful grin, he held up five, six, seven. Jordan ended up winning six titles with the Bulls, and will go to his grave believing he would have won at least seven if the franchise had not imploded. Kobe Bryant is 30 years old. He now has four titles to his credit. And there is every reason to believe that before he retires, he will pick up at least one more. Why shouldn't the Lakers be favored next year? You can come up with reasons, but they will surely apply more to another contender.

Dwyane Wade: "Kobe Bryant Is Still The Best Player In The Game" | Dime Magazine (www.dimemag.com) : Daily NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, Basketball Videos, Sneakers
And now Dwyane Wade is making a statement of his own: Kobe Bryant is the best basketball player in the game today. "I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It’s not taking away from LeBron, it’s not taking away from Carmelo, it’s not taking away from myself," Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. "Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he’s older than us, he’s smart with the game. He’s the better player."

Phil Jackson | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
This quasi-mystical figure has more titles than any other NBA coach. Is he any good?

Lakers Set Champs Sale Record - Sports Biz with Darren Rovell - CNBC.com
Sales from the NBA Store in New York City and on NBAStore.com reveal that the Lakers obliterated the previous 48-hour record for championship merchandise sales. In fact, Lakers fans bought so much gear that league officials said that sales doubled the record that was previously held by last year's Boston Celtics.

(The Lakers matter like no other team in the NBA, and the fans love them and support them, but yet people over analyze our crowds.)

 

Epoch Times - Kobe’s Quest to Be the Best
With his fourth NBA championship wrapped up, Lakers shooting guard Kobe Bryant got a 7–1, 325-pound monkey off his back by winning his first title without the help of center Shaquille O’Neal.

Kobe versus Michael | Upon Further Review
Anything you might be saying around the water cooler or at your favorite watering hole might also end up here, in Over the Top of the Mornin'.

Scout's eye helped Bryant focus on title drive - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
Hoping to solidify any cracks in his greatness, Kobe Bryant employed a personal scout who worked with him throughout the playoffs. - National Basketball Association news

Lakers forward Gasol's dilemma: For country, or give it a rest? - LA Daily News
Will Pau Gasol go for the gold or have anextra dulce de leche on a sidewalk cafe in Barcelona? The Lakers forward said Tuesday he hasn't decided whether he'll play for Spain in the European Basketball Championships scheduled for September in Warsaw, Poland. Like his Lakers teammate Kobe Bryant, Gasol has played two long NBA seasons and in the Olympics over the past two seasons, making rest and relaxation during this offseason important. But Gasol said Tuesday, as he walked to his car after meeting with Lakers officials at the team's training center, that he'd really like to help Spain win a European championship. Asked if Lakers coach Phil Jackson or general manager Mitch Kupchak encouraged him to rest instead, Gasol said, "No. They understood."

SLAM ONLINE | " The NBA Finals Didn’t Impress Paul Pierce

(Just like his greatest fan, BandWagon Billy, Paul Pierce resumes his front-running.)

NBA Mock Draft - Ian Thomsen - SI.com
The champs face the luxury tax while trying to re-sign key free agents. They'll draft an international player and keep him off the payroll for now.

NBA Draft Predictions: Pacific Division -- NBA FanHouse
Over the next six days, we'll take a look at each team's needs heading into the NBA Draft on Thursday, June 25. First up, the NBA's Pacific Division:

Audio/Video:

OC Register's Parade Coverage

LakerMedia.com Parade Video Pt. 1

ESPN 710 Los Angeles Live

The Dan Patrick Show

Kobe on The Tonight Show

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Here's one more, from a blog I hadn't seen before, Lake Show LIfe...
Ariza, Odom, or Both? Who Stays With the Lake Show?

by Ryan Kane

Sorry Shannon Brown, but as much as we love your attitude and athleticism, you’re not the talk of the free agent market right now. Both Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom are extremely talented players who pose a serious problem for the Lakers this off-season because of their free-agency. Mitch Kupchak and Dr. Buss have an interesting little conundrum to deal with here. LakeShowLife.com breaks it down for you. * * *

Ariza led all players in the Finals with 9 steals, and trailed only Kobe Bryant for the most steals in the playoffs this year. Playing roughly 75% of Bryant’s minutes, Ariza still managed to have 36 steals to Kobe’s 38. In the regular season, Ariza finished 3rd in steals per 48 minutes among players who played in 30+ games even though he had significantly less playing time than those players ranked above him. And lest we forget that Ariza had a few of the biggest steals in playoff history this year as well.

Odom, on the other hand, was a rebounding machine. Lamar was in the top 20 for the regular season in rebounds for forwards despite playing less time than 17 of the 18 players above him. More importantly, he was in the top 15 (for Forwards) for offensive rebounding in a season that saw him frequently coming off the bench and playing less minutes than normal. Odom was third in rebounding in the finals to two all-star’s: his teammate Pau Gasol and Orlando’s Dwight Howard. He averaged only 1.5 rebounds less than Pau despite playing only 75% of the minutes that Gasol played. * * *

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jun 18, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Cheers, jeers for Lakers franchise"

What a load of crap! And worst off I gave this jerk a notch in his site traffic. I, personally would not link this excrement of a site on our blog, it only taints it.

by Jello Is Jiggling on Jun 18, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jello,

You’re right. I usually never link crap like that. I don’t know why I did today.

I’m always telling people not to read authors whp piss them off, and I just helped a moron. I removed it.

by wondahbap on Jun 18, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda figured

it slipped your radar. Based on your other posts, it was so uncharacteristic.

by Jello Is Jiggling on Jun 18, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I linked that, oops

I like to read the haters.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how much money does Buss make off of merchandise sales if any?
Referring to: http://www.cnbc.com/id/31410191

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is like bulletin board material for the haters

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

did the whole team go to disnyeland, or just kobe?

by chaucer on Jun 18, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were all scheduled to come, but just through the pictures seems like Kobe was the only one there. His daughters and wife weren’t there either.

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top Ten NBA Parade Moments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omdhANGtp6s

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

http://lakeshowlife.com/2009/06/18/odom-gives-fellow-lakers-crown-royal-championship-gift/

To celebrate the Lakers’ 15th championship, superstar forward Lamar Odom has arranged for all Lakers’ players and coaches to receive a bottle of Crown Royal XR (one of his faves) with a custom embroidered bag. Diageo, the world’s leading premium drinks business, hooked L.O. up with the custom order. Here’s what the Candyman had to say about his special gift for his fellow Lakers:

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t look like Kobe’s going to take a pay cut.

Bryant said that it’s "not really an option" for the Lakers to lose forwards Trevor Ariza or Lamar Odom, two talented players who are now free agents.

"The biggest thing for us would be to bring these guys back," he said. "We play so well together — we built this cohesive unit, an I think that’s what’s on everybody’s mind that the team comes back ready to go."

Would he take less money to see Ariza and Odom stay on the team?

"That’s not my responsibility, that’s the franchise’s responsibility to come to the table with things and have all the guys come back and make sure they get what they deserve," he said.

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Would you take less pay at your job to keep a key co-worker? Or do you think that the company should just pay you both what you deserve?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean which is why I don’t feel that Kobe is OBLIGATED to take a pay-cut. There’s a strong argument Kobe is the one that works the hardest and brings in the most money for the Lakers so why should he have to take a pay-cut? Plus when Kobe’s hurt he doesn’t take days off, instead opting to play through the pain. He is someone that deserves however much he gets paid…. If Kobe takes a pay-cut I will be happy, but I don’t expect it to happen.

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The owner should take a pay cut

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, tom brady took a pay cut.

by chaucer on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady took a pay cut...

And his team screwed him over!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 19, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When asked on the even of the parade if he’d be the guy closest to reprising Mark Madsen’s dance struggle from the 2001 parade, Walton immediately fired back: "What about Morrison?!"

Adam Morrison would’ve definitely been the most likely to make it painful to watch, Walton is right. Sun Yue actually did one quick move after he was introduced on stage. Walton was also asked if Sasha Vujacic could dance, and Walton’s response was quite amusing because of how much it said about how the guys view Vujacic: "Who knows, he probably thinks he can."

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2009/06/18/odom-shouldve-busted-out-some-lines-to-get-morrison-jumpin/19261/

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lol - from above link
The big question: who downs their bottle first? I’m gonna put my money on Andrew Bynum. He’s in his drinking prime (21 years old), stands 7-foot tall and weighs 285 pounds. He’s going to throw down that Crown like Kobe alley ooped it to him.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jun 18, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lamar Odom’s exit interview:

Going to another team and starting doesn’t make a difference to Odom, who said he "Won my first championship coming off the bench."
"I’m decent looking and when we go out, I’m well received. You know. They want me to take care of myself and sleep correctly, stay in the weight room. That means they want me back." To translate, apparently Mitch and Phil were more concerned that Odom maintains his basketball shape this offseason than anything.

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

“Hopefully, it won’t take that long,” he said, joking about upcoming contract negotiations. “In and out, three years, 80 million.”

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can’t wait for next season. today, on my first day back to work since the victory on sunday, i chatted with a colleague and devout laker hater about the lakers’ victory. she said had they played a healthy celtics team, lakers would have been swept….she claims she is a celtics fan now. she used to be a spurs fan. LOL

by chaucer on Jun 18, 2009 10:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

imagine shaq goes to cleveland, they make the finals and play the lakers…that would be something. kobe vs. james and shaq….in the finals.

by chaucer on Jun 18, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ariza was at Nike Town from 5-7pm today

by intuitive on Jun 18, 2009 11:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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