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That is the 2ed elbow above the neck kobe has dished out this playoffs, Kobe also did this to mike bibby in 2002, and we all know about the broken noses he dished out through out the years....so when is the NBA going to call these fouls? What if J.J Redick through the same elbow at Kobe? Redick would probably be thrown out of the game, Kobe does it, and not even a second look...also Fisher....what a Pro!!! (Just though i had to get that in there....)

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if you indeed watch

he did not throw that elbow, the guy was going strong towards him as he was trying to spin for a pass.

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by kobethebasketballmessiah on Jun 11, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

...

Kobe was moving towards the middle, Jameer was trying to take a charge. Not intentional.

by Bassman500 on Jun 11, 2009 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's gonna happen when gets doubled all the time

and your digging to imply that Kobe did it on purpose. Watch it again. Kobe didn’t even know he was there.

by UCIHalo on Jun 11, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it wasn't intentional.

But that doesn’t mean it was a blatant missed call. A elbow-to-the-face is a foul, always.

The Magic can only point at themselves as the reason they lost (and I say that as a big Magic fan). They missed the FT’s, they didn’t close out on Derek Fisher, they didn’t execute properly, they gave the Lakers three opportunities to take the lead (the last of which was Fisher’s second three). But, still, the refs made two egregious mistakes:

1) Ariza was out of bounds, clearly, when he tipped the ball back in in OT. It created the second of what would end up being three chances for the Lakers to take the lead, the last of which was a Derek Fisher three that swished through the net.

2) Kobe’s elbow. Call that, as it should have been, and the entire complexion of the game is different. Fisher can’t hit the three that changed the entire game.

So, no, you can’t BLAME the refs. That’s stupid. But still, the Lakers got the benefit of two calls that played a HUGE role in the game.

But like I said, the Magic deserved to lose based on h ow they finished. Really, they have outplayed the Lakers in 2/3 games (Game 2 is a toss-up, really), depending on how you look at it, but it still sits at 3-1 Lakers. Series over. That’s basketball.

by rockchalk on Jun 12, 2009 1:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How can you say that the Magic outplayed the Lakers?

They have done that once, and that was in Game 3. I don’t care how much better a team played in the first, second, or even third quarters, if the other team makes key shots down the stretch, how can you say that they did not deserve to win. The Lakers did not erase a 12 point deficit by magic (sorry, no pun intended), and unless the officials walked up and let the Lakers shoot free throws to win, then…oh wait a second, they did that FOR the Magic in the fourth, and they still couldn’t pull it off. Give credit where credit is due.

As for Ariza, I hope you were watching the game in person and on the other end of the court in the nosebleeds, because the broadcasters went to great lengths to show that his foot was down on the court before he touched the ball. I guess true love really is blind.

And on the Kobe elbow, it’s unfortunate that it hit Jameer across the face, but as you said, that’s basketball. You probably don’t remember, but there was a play where Gasol got absolutely smashed across the face. A foul was (correctly) not called for it because it’s just something that happens when you play a physical sport. So no, blow to the face is by no means an automatic foul.

by Sideout11 on Jun 12, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that, but how can you call out no-calls in this game?

There were TONS of calls missed. If you were to break down the game from an objective standpoint, I have 100% confidence you’d find that the Lakers were on the receiving end of the bad refereeing tonight. How many times did Kobe drive into the lane only to be met by a moving, jumping, hulking Dwight Howard at the rim? When Cleveland played Orlando and Lebron James was “doing work”, those were blocking fouls.

Did Kobe deserve an offensive foul? Maybe. What if it was a taller player like Dwight or Hedo coming down to help on Kobe? Then it goes from being an elbow in the chin that looks real bad to a small bump in the sternum. It was a no-call. No matter how decisive it was, you have to deal with it like all other no calls in basketball.

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by Justin N. on Jun 12, 2009 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no I Know.

Just like in any other basketball game ever played, there are countless missed calls. It’s just life in basketball.

Like I said, the Magic can only blame themselves.

As far as “outplaying” them, yes, it is entirely possible to outplay someone and lose. The Lakers deserved to win, no doubt, but that doesn’t mean that the Magic weren’t the better team last night.

On Ariza’s foot, maybe I was wrong. I couldn’t hear the announcers (TV was muted because we were all talking anyways), but the replay looked like he was out. Maybe I was wrong. In any case, I was wrong to point it out as a missed call.

And yes, if a bigger player came to double there wouldn’t have been a foul. But that’s part of the NBA.

The one thing I disagree with either of you on was this:

Gasol got absolutely smashed across the face

Yeah, but that was Pietrus’ hand after he had taken a shot. As in, his follow through. Gasol was the guy crashing into him, his face just happened to be right there when Pietrus did his perfectly normal follow-through.

Kobe’s was a swinging elbow. I hate fouls called on swinging elbows, and people are generally WAY too quick to ask for fouls on those. But, in this case, he destroyed Jameer. But, the Lakers were proably going to win anyways. The Magic, while playing great for 47 minutes of the game, they couldn’t close. At all. And teams who can’t close don’t really deserve to win.

by rockchalk on Jun 12, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno.

Kobe’s elbow was made in a way similar to Pietrus’. His elbows weren’t extended. He didn’t pull a Dwight Howard where you throw the ‘bow, THEN shoot. His elbow connected with Jameer AS he was making the pass out of the double team. Maybe if Jameer could keep his mouthguard in for a few minutes straight, he wouldn’t have been knocked so silly he fell to the floor and could actually try to contest the layup.

I play basketball all the time and I get hit and elbowed in the mouth a lot. I hardly ever actually fall to the ground. Jameer fell hard because he was trying to draw an offensive. I look at that kind of play and I say two things:

1) Players hurt their team by trying to draw offensive fouls. If they are not called, you put yourself way out of position and usually give up easy points.

and

2) This is not the player’s fault, but the NBA’s. Officiating calls for players to fall down before they blow their whistle. Player’s should be always trying to hold their ground and should only fall when literally forced too. This would mean more offensive fouls called when players are not “flopping”. When Shaq flopped, he made some comment about how “the rulebook says you have to fall”. I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is that’s ridiculous.

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by Justin N. on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Original point:

Kobe’s elbow didn’t really decide the play, much like Pietrus’ swipe at Gasol didn’t. The pass would have still gone to Fisher out of the double team who would have been wide open.

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by Justin N. on Jun 12, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I disagree with either of you on was this:

    Gasol got absolutely smashed across the face

Yeah, but that was Pietrus’ hand after he had taken a shot. As in, his follow through. Gasol was the guy crashing into him, his face just happened to be right there when Pietrus did his perfectly normal follow-through.

Kobe’s was a swinging elbow. I hate fouls called on swinging elbows, and people are generally WAY too quick to ask for fouls on those. But, in this case, he destroyed Jameer. But, the Lakers were proably going to win anyways. The Magic, while playing great for 47 minutes of the game, they couldn’t close. At all. And teams who can’t close don’t really deserve to win.

Those were pretty similar plays if you ask me, Kobe was turning to pass, Nelson led with his head and got whacked. Nothing malicious, Nelson was just in wrong place at the wrong time. Same with Gasol, its not like Pietrus intended to whack him with his hand.

by grimmz on Jun 13, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ariza was not out of bounds

You’re the second person to complain about this. Again, ABC even used a bright yellow circle to show that Trevor’s foot was back in bounds before his grabbed the rebound.

Here’s the rule as well:
Section I-Player The player is out-of-bounds when he touches the floor or any object on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, his position is that from which he last touched the floor.

We can infer from this rule, that since he was “touching” in bounds with his foot before grabbing the rebound, that he was within the rules.

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by swiss mcgee on Jun 12, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is sooo predictable...

that this kind of garbage fanpost would be put up by a Sacramento fan, instead of an Orlando fan. I really have to give a tip of the ol’ chapeau to Magic fans (& Denver fans)for collectively being classy and objectively talking about these finals and all the great players involved. However, it should not surprise anyone to see Sacramento, Portland or Boston fans trolling around on this blog with their conspiracy theories.

Seriously, Sacramento Fan, what are you doing on here? Don’t you have a 4th pick in the upcoming draft to discuss? Maybe there’s a River Cats baseball game you’d be better off discussing?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 12, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

man-love for Turkey Glue?

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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

How Laker fans say it wasn’t a foul, yet everyone one who works for ESPN says it was, would all of these Laker fans say it wasn’t a foul if it was Kobe who was on the floor? Yes, in fact i bet who ever hit Kobe, they would be suspended for the next game

by shadowchicken on Jun 12, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Any chance there is a middle ground between a foul...........and a suspension?

You just jump from one to the other. Foul, probably. Suspension, please.

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by pslakerfan on Jun 12, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

everyone for ESPN?

read (and watch). I missed ATH, Rome, and PTI, but on the 1st and 10, and SportsCenter, it was viewed as a non foul, and a completely boneheaded move by Jameer to lead with his FACE. Never double leading with your face.

If your talking about articles, I will let you in on a secret. Everyone except Adande are secret Lakers haters, with the except of Bill Simmons (who chose the elbow and Ariza’s foot as the controversial calls.. too bad he didn’t actually watch the game. What a MORON.), who is a professed Lakers hater.

Speaking of missed calls, how about the time where Howard grabs Gasol’s jersey and drags him away from the rebound? Non-call. How about nearly every drive Hedo makes to the hoop, using his right arm to push off Ariza? How about the time Lewis whacked Fisher directly in the face, but the call on the player is out of bounds, Lakers side?

I could go on and on.

by tandur on Jun 12, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Rome called it a no foul, and basically trashed the Magic.

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by pslakerfan on Jun 12, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like listening to Rome. He just doesn't hold back.

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by weazel on Jun 12, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Simmons said the Lakers were getting screwed the entire game and that he might have been upset with the elbow connecting with Nelson’s face, except for the fact that in fact, that was the only non-call that went in the Lakers’ favor for the entire game.

by grimmz on Jun 13, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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