NBA Finals Game 4 Post Game Thread: Lakers- 99, Magic- 91
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 9:32 PM PDT
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Hmmmm maybe that NBA Finals experience paid off? Derek Fisher came through with two HUGE threes, one of which tied the game at the end of regulation to send the game to overtime and the other put the Lakers ahead for good in overtime. While everyone is sure to talk about Fish's two threes, Dwight Howard's missed free throws and possibly Michael Pietrus' foul at the end of the game, what many will forget is Trevor Ariza's nine consecutive points to get the Lakers back in the ball game in the third period.
This was a game the Lakers probably shouldn't have won. The Orlando Magic were far better in the first half as they shot over 50% while the Lakers shot 33%, but a strong third quarter got the Lakers back in it. There are two numbers the Magic will look at as keys in them letting the game get away. One if the 17 Magic turnovers to 7 for the Lakers. The other is their 59.5% free throw shooting.
The play that will stand out in my mind came from Kobe Bryant, as per usual, but it wasn't a big shot that stands out. Following a Dwight Howard offensive rebound, Kobe stepped in, ripped the ball from the Orlando center and held on strong as he got fouled. That play right there showed the toughness the Lakers have this year that was missing last year. That right there is a leader stepping in and doing the dirty work. That game right there is the Lakers taking a 3-1 series lead in these NBA Finals, one win away from a NBA Championship and party on Figueroa.
This is your postgame thread so share all of your thoughts and comments below.
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We win!! Despite getting no free throws starting from the 4th quarter. The last 2 FT’s by Pau don’t really count since the game was already decided by then
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was so angry
The Lakers were never meant to win game 4 according to the refs. 18 free throw attempts verses zero? I was yelling at the TV.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we had 3 guys with 5 fouls.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a 12 point deficit at halftime!
You guys definitely have the better team. No way Cleveland would have been able to overcome all those odds.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foul Shots in 4th quarter to OT was what? 18-1 in favor of the Magic? Also Kobe was god awful at stretches. He needs to continue to facilitate rather than try to play hero. Good Game.
by Fundefined on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of things went against us and the Lakers held in there and prevailed anyways.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be a champion you have to play through all of that
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me
Congratulations for winning a game the refs tried to alter. It isn’t easy to do that, and your team deserves a lot of credit for it.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but that's pretty much the story to me... One-sided reffing.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny part was the Orlando fans chanting "Refs you suck."
New Rule: Magic fans don’t get to complain about the reffing when the Lakers have to play Mbenga and Powell at the same time.
by Darkemans on Jun 11, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refs all the way!
The one play that stands out for me is when Gasol and Howard were standing under the basket late in the 4th quarter. A magic player throws up a brick and Howard proceeds to throw Gasol to the ground to get the rebound. The refs proceed to call a foul and send Howard to the line. The replay clearly shows Howard throw Gasol to the ground right before he got the rebound. He went on to miss both freethrows! HaHa! Karma is b*&%h!!!!!!!!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
That’s all I have to say
"The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people."
by Marie on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So where are you gonna get that "L" tattoo after the Lakers win this thing?
P.S. Thanks for Trevor!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for breaking my heart
:(
"The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people."
by Marie on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My best line of the night: Phil Jackson doesn't draw up plays — he visualizes future success...
New form of jokes: Phil Jokes, with him being the Chuck Norris of Hippy Dippy Zen,..
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher diving for that loose ball and calling timeout
Really pumped me up.
He was crawling, and made that extra effort to secure the ball.
I was very surprised at how fast the Lakers closed the gap in the third. Trevor Ariza made the Magic GM cry tonight.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That win was remarkable in that the refs were definitely giving the homer calls tonight, but the Lakers hung tough.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely LOVED seeing Kobe snatch that rebound away from Dwight.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lakerdom is very sorry D-Fish
You were our MVP tonight, no doubt
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This Finals may turn out to be a redemption for so many players
Mitch – trading players
Fisher – washed up
Kobe – No Shaq
Ariza – Traded by Magic
Gasol – Not tough
Phil – Can’t build a team that isn’t championship-ready
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, totally.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!
well said
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, Fish
I totally take back anything bad I said about you in the last month. You’re still the man and I suck.
by illcowboy on Jun 12, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he pissed
That his team didn’t get more FTA?
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a reporter asked about experience in the finals, and he was rude
by RudeMood19 on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stan's the biggest choker of all — he did it again!!!
The one game they won, he coached normally, instead of micromanaging substitutions with wackydoodle seat-of-the-pants lineup changes…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And barly won the game too.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SVG whined about not getting calls in the 3rd...
then got ALL the calls in the 4th. Considering the referee bias, I’m amazed we even forced OT.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you guys
But I think Fish just topped 0.4
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
big shot Fish
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did.
That 0.4 shot was just insane, however these two top that because now we have a strenglehold on the Magic.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree, and 0.4 was huge, in my opinion.
by Darkemans on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww....We can't respond to the Kobe hater in the other thread
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
About "dirty plays" and winning this game.
Kobe didn’t not throw his elbow on purpose. He moved to throw the ball to fish, Jameer ran into him. Watch it game speed. Howard has been leading with his elbow and shoulders all series. It’s a been a tough series.
At least Kobe went for the ball when he pulled on Howard. Petrius balled up his fist and punched Pau on an open break-away. That’s a dirty play.
Good win Lakers.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The comment in the other thread also alluded to Trevor's being out of bounds on his miss in OT
I believe they even used a telestrator to circle his foot being inbounds before he caught the ball.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in response to tanman5 as well
“Dirty players I am not a Magic fan, but I was disappointed to see the Lakers’ dirty play rewarded tonight. For one, Kobe absolutely tackled Dwight Howard at the end of the game. Should have been a flagrant foul. Then, he set up the game-winning three-pointer by elbowing Jameer Nelson in the face. Now, maybe the Lakers were the better team. The Magic certainly didn’t help themselves by missing freethrows and giving the ball away. But I can’t respect Kobe. Not the way he’s hyped. He showed no integrity. All he ever does is whine, but today he made some dirty plays (and I won’t even talk about Ariza’s non-call when he was standing out of bounds).
The Lakers may be the best team in basketball. But tonight, they did not deserve to win. Dirty play"
lol are u freakin serious? if lakers are dirty, magic are just as guilty. u must be freakin blind. dwight throws plenty of dirty elbows all the time and dirty moving screens. and jameer just ran into kobe while he was passing it out – shit happens – thats why the refs didnt call anything. and did u miss the lopsided foul calls against the lakers for 4th and ot? lakers only benefited from like what, 2, foul calls during that period. and u must have missed the peitrus pushoff at the end of o.t. as well. dirty is as dirty does then right?
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's the FT discrepancy...
Takes 10 seconds to get the ball inbounds and no 5 sec call…
There is no excuse for the Magic. They were handed the game on a silver platter and s**t the bed.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they were over 5 twice. If anyone has this one recorded and has a stopwatch, time it.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ref's arms
By the ref’s count they got it in on 5 both times. The ref probably counted slow. But ALL IS FORGIVEN, woo hoo!!!
by Apricot on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.. they were counting like they were in WWE.
But regardless of that Lakers still pulled through. Fisher is one wily veteran, love it!
by Meric on Jun 12, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why Derek Fisher is starting, haters!!!
Veteran experience. ’Nuff said on that topic.
Second topic: The refs pretty much had given the Magic the game in the 4th (I hate blaming refs, but this HAS to be said…) with only one team foul against Orlando the entire fourth, giving them what would be an average of 4 fouls the ENTIRE game if the refs had called it that way the entire game. The most egregious was several Hedo push offs, and the right, but unfair call on Kobe on the Pietrus fast break, but Kobe couldn’t buy a call on his drives. Personally, I feel Odom’s tantrum, combined with Bynum’s, turned the refs against us.
But then Big Fish came down, hit a shot where the refs couldn’t make a bad call to blow it, and blew their plan outta the water.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 9:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong
I can admit it.
Derek Fisher has balls of steel.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, too often he shoots balls of lead...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Bynum was crying
He looked frustrated for sure. I want him to use that anger and dunk on Howard!
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is Orlando going to pull a Denver ?
" I think we are the better team but the Lakers got lucky "
by keefer on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How many TO's and missed FT's did Orlando have?
No way
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots... Although the Lakers had a ton of missed FTs last game.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but my point is no way they can say they are the better team
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both teams played like crap really.
The Lakers played liked champions when it counted.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got 16 points off those turnovers.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard missed 8 and Hedo missed 5.
Howard had 7 TO.
by Darkemans on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo lost this one
for the Magic. His FT misses were deadly for them.
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the point guard controversy begin
I like when a team starts arguing with each other
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
that’s gonna go on all season. Magic fans deny it, think Alston will give back the job willingly, but they obviously don’t know Raefer.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think the Magic is kind of self-destructing with this point guard mess..
I’m starting to believe this Van Gundy being panicky guy.
by Meric on Jun 12, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can say whatever they want
I’ll just say 3-1
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was satisfying
Not quite a mirror image of last year, but the Lakers battling back from a 12-pt halftime deficit to take a 3-1 lead is sweet, sweet news one year later…
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fischer saved the Lakers
Wow. It’s so weird to type that. This guy was woeful from the 3 point line all postseason. Laker fans were demanding that he be benched in the WCSF. When he hit those two 3 pointers, I exploded…because I never, ever, EVER thought that he could hit them. The trust and bond between Phil Jackson and Derek Fischer is at a level we may never understand, but tonight, he redeemed himself for all the faults he’s displayed the last few months.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Word
D-Fish just added to his already considerable legacy (0.4 seconds and all that).
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys like Fish and Horry may not have their numbers retired
but there place as Laker legends is certain
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're the Michael Coopers
Their numbers will never be retired, but no one will ever forget them.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many past great players
A problem I’ll gladly take…twice.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fish that Saved Los Angeles
And Kobe.
I’m so glad Kobe fans will not have to face the shit storm that was coming if Lakers lost.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did he do wrong?
The shit storm should go at the refs. Remember how I said they were balanced in game 3? Well, they favored Orlando completely in game 4.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they would say...
that he just ran Iso for all of OT.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the coaching decision
I only like that Pau pick and roll for a few, not more than 3 straight possesions
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong
He just forced a few shots, and took a lot of jumpers.
But it’s hard not to take j’s when the refs aren’t calling anything when you drive aggressively.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
Ariza scored the points to get us back in it, but KB24 was responsible for just about all of those points, due to drawing double teams and smartly initiating ball movement out of them.
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which reminds me...I'm starting to sound like a broken record
I really, really, really, really, REALLY wish Ariza was wearing wine and gold. (I think I used four "really"s the last time)
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team is ready guys, they overcame a lot to win this game
by RudeMood19 on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
100 million dollar man a no show
Rashad Lewis with 6pts and 7 rebounds in 46.5 minutes. Did anyone even notice he was there ?
by keefer on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed when he hit that three in OT with the shot clock down to almost zero
ouch
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was terrified of him all game
But yeah, he could not hit any shots in this game. And thank goodness!
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See? Its not just “pure” luck to beat Orlando
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just bitterness
Just ignore me whenever I talk about how Orlando beat Cleveland by luck. I’m just lashing out in frustration.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahah that’s alright, I enjoy your comments.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Simmons to write a column about all the calls the Magic got in this game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahaha
you can wait on that one for the rest of your life…
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I bet Simmons will write that article tomorrow.
He’s that much of a Laker hater.
by Darkemans on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too late
Already sent him an e-mail as the game ended. Revenge is a dish best served cold simmons.
by 81 Witness on Jun 11, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Officiating
You won the game, be happy. But two things would be wrong.
1. Do NOT blame the refs. The referees helped the Lakers at crucial points in the game. Ariza is a talented player, but he has been all over Turkoglu and got away with a few. Calls were missed on both sides, but Magic fans have more of a right to complain. Ariza was standing out of bounds when he tipped a ball in toward the end of the game. Kobe should have been called for a flagrant when Howard missed those two free throws, and he should have been called for an elbow to Jameer’s face with Fisher in the game.
2. Please, do not compare Kobe to MJ because of this game. He is a talented player. But today, Kobe was a dirty player. He threw elbows, absolutely hammered Howard all game, and his game-winning assist was bad elbow.
So, be happy with the win. The Magic played poorly and you took advantage. But don’t blame the refs, who certainly helped you at the end, and don’t annoint Kobe God because of this performance. Comparing him to MJ is an insult to MJ at this point.
by tanman5 on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go crap in someone else's cereal
Kobe is on the brink of a title, I love that you hate it.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meant for the Kobe Hater
sorry
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I eat pieces of crap like you for breakfast
You eat crap for breakfast?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm perfectly fine with it
Heck, I would have been alright even if it were the Cavs who were in a 3-1 deficit against the Lakers. Losing to the Lakers in the Finals is the best way to lose in the postseason.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utterly one-sided officiating... Dwight Howard got superstar no-calls.
HA HA, SINGING GIRL LOST!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comic relief
Head over to Lenscrafters while you’re at it — you need some glasses.
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a lakers blog
what do you expect?
by sdpads24 on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
refs?
umm… I’m just gonna say this… ONE team foul on the Magic the ENTIRE FOURTH QUARTER… and not until there was less than 2 minutes left on a ticky tack foul. So get lost.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not like the Lakers didn't deserve them.
Kobe got body checked like no other in the lane by Howard MANY times in the 4th. It was the kind of thing Lebron got the call for throughout the Magic-Cleveland series.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
by Justin N. on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ariza's left foot was inbounds. His right foot wasn't touching the ground.
Maybe Howard should have made on of the two FTs he missed right there at the end.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, before, they tried to cater to the less intelligent people
…by circling Trevor’s foot with a bright yellow circle!
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You love the Kobe-MJ comparison and you know it.
Unless…you’re not a Laker fan?
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing Kobe to MJ is an insult to Kobe
While MJ was a better player, Kobe is not a pathological competitor off the court, doesn’t literally punch his teammates, and doesn’t feel the need to win ping pong matches, run into gambling debt due to his competitive streak (look it up). If MJ came up during this era of instant news and litigation, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him involved in even more allegations and scandals than Kobe.
Kobe also facilitates the offense, AND has to score AND set the defensive tone.
MJ had Scottie to share the duties.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the risk of starting an argument
Kobe had Shaq.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know all this about MJ?
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Internet
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhh you cannot talk bad about MJ.
He was perfect, the best leader, and the best teammate. SHH
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's so lucky the internet was in its infancy and sports reporting was still old schoool and protected the players
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even so, we still love him
Look at all that he gave to the game. Yes, he had Scottie Pippen, but he still accounted for close to half of the scoring for the Bulls on a regular basis. And if you watch clips on YouTube, his amazing defense set him apart from other players. When he was at his prime, the NBA ratings soared to unprecedented heights that may never be reached again. The 1998 NBA Finals is the only NBA Finals to get better ratings than the same year’s World Series.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, we're happy
1. 18 FTs. Also, I guess you’re missing all those push offs by Turk?
2. Who is comparing Kobe to MJ right now? Nobody
LOL don’t blame the refs. That’s a good one.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Hedo's push-offs
Every drive that guy makes typically involves at least two fouls by him…
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His off arm is very active
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could it be that he was originally left-handed?
Because that off-hand sure knows how to “work”..
by Meric on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MJ not dirty ... ?
Ask Byron Russell after ’98 Game 6.
by ATLakers on Jun 12, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Come on now, the magic got away with a hell of a lot fouls. Howard was tossing people all over the court. As much as you might want to complain about the lack of officiating, the magic went to the line way more than the lakers. THEY CHOKED THIS GAME AWAY ALL ON THEIR OWN!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you ever played basketball?
for one kobe and dwight in the fourth was absolutely not a foul. kobe went over dwight clean. no behind the back at all. if anything it could have been a jumpball before kobe ripped it away. once he did though it became a clean play. admittingly very physical but its the finals and to be expected. second when jameer got elbowed it was his own fault. as a player you are taught that as long as you dont stick you elbows out the way karl malone uesd to do your ok. that is your zone to move as you will. jameer ran into it. third turkoglu has played dirty all series. everytime he brings the ball up court he’s been using his off arm to give trevor a stiff arm and that is absolutely a foul. sorry bro but the comments you made indicate lack of playing experience
by frosty21 on Jun 12, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way that was a flagrant
on Kobe. That was solid competition for a rebound. Take off your homer glasses. And the broadcast clearly showed Ariza was inbounds.
Better absurd Magic talking points, please…
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that was a flagrant
Then the term “playoff foul” is a farce, and every commentator that ever lambasted a player for fouling another guy soft and allowing him continuation is full of crap.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
magic fans cannot complain bout this game with logic and good judgment
by RudeMood19 on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As fans, they are expected to complain!
The “one layup and some free throws from being up 3-1” is a great argument. The only problem is, the Lakers are the ones up 3-1. Coulda,shoulda, woulda… didn’t.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
magic can blame themselves – 17 turnovers and 15 missed ft on 60% ft shooting aint gonna win you the game, sorry.
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey we broke another massive streak! wanna know?
magic are 7-0 at home with the little girl singing and make it 7-1 now, lol. and on the other hand we are 7-0 in the playoffs in bounce back games after losses.
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So I take it she won't sing the anthem on Sunday since the streak is over.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWWWWWW — Now she'll NEVER learn all the words!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well to be fair
This was a heartbreaking loss for them. I’m sure it’s hard for them to see the game objectively right now.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see objectively when the Lakers lose
Well as objectively as when they win, at least
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
believe it or not, people have a hard time doing it ;)
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard on me when the Laker lose, yet I can objectivly tell you why we lost
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody know who that fan is sitting on the sidelines?
He wears Kobe’s jersey and stands up a lot. I swear he was at the Denver games too. Must be nice!
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering how it the world he got tickets down there.
In Orlando none the less. Lucky dude.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a night he must be having
How priceless is it to stand in a rival stadium, triumphantly watching the wild Orlando crowd empty out in silence and anger after having to put up with them yelling and cheering and chanting all game?
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been waiting for this moment for years
ONE WIN AWAY! ONE WIN!
by Bassman500 on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew what a game
Fisher again making an impact
Trevor making an impact
Kobe was Kobe
One win away
OOHH What a game
by BrittneyM on Jun 11, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah kobe had a 33% shooting nite and we still pull out a win! how awesome is that?
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers are 1-0
In game 4 of the finals when leading the series 2-1 and Kobe takes 30+ shots.
Stick that in your pipe Mike Wilbon.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
by Justin N. on Jun 11, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing game.
Lakers did it despite the refs. I can’t believe Stan complaining about officiating. What a loser of a coach. Blame your freethrows and your turnovers. Also, blame your overconfidence. With the Lakers down 5 with 30 seconds to go the Magic thought they won it and they let Kobe get in the lane and make a pass to Gasol for an easy dunk. Then Dwight Howard missed to free throws….the rest is and will be history.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
by Justin N. on Jun 11, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Game face
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just love that look
and the one if OT is just as good.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
That smile just creeps on his face. He’s the perfect villain. Just ask San Antonio.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dam Gils
YOu are the best at this. I love that!
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that a lot.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has gone unnoticed is the fact that Luke has put together quite a nice series, just at the right time.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s been efficient with the minutes he’s had
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luuuuuuke
Forgot to put him under the “redemption” list, too for those who cried foul over his contract.
Who am I kidding, he’s overpaid!
But he contributes!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, guts.
Pau Gasol, punched in the back, drops the dunk, and then walks up and chest bumps Petrius. He may be skinny, but he’s tough. I love it.
Fisher. My man. He’s 34 but is on the ground grabbing loose balls, and then shooting balls of steel putting the dagger in their hearts. It was great!. Wow what a game.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This series spells redemption
but this game spells reselience.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can't call it redemption
not unless it involves beating Boston.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston?
they have nothing to do with this win. It wasn’t the Lakers fault they couldnt’ make it this far. So all of a sudden the Lakers are to blame for KG’s injury.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
wow, boy. settle down. here’s a bone for you to chew on.
I don’t care about beating the Magic. As far as I’m concerned, their a junk team. Living by the 3 will never win a NBA championship.
The only teams I cared about beating this season was Cleveland and Boston. The Cavs to silence the Lebron fans, and Boston for revenge.
It’s not our fault that Boston didn’t make it, but trust me, we’re going to hear all season how “the Celtics would have beat LA if they made it.” Alot of woulda, coulda, shoulda, but prepare yourselves.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg...
first of all. The Lakers won. Second of all just give your input as I did. But if you are going to throw insults then keep those comments to yourself. If you dont like my opinion then speak your point of view. Just keep it at that.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lakers beat boston at full strength in the reg season, good enough for me.
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto goes for you
you interpret things I didn’t say. I didn’t say it’s our fault Boston didn’t make it. Take some of your own medicine. (Which you won’t.)
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How now, a Spurs fan?
You are absolutely furious that the Lakers are going to win another title, aren’t you?
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter who's a what fan
Your points and thoughts have been made. Move on now guys.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who’s singing the nation anthem for the Magic on Sunday?
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The dude with the turban under the goal?
Maybe Stan himself? How about the Creepy Cowboy hat guy that sits near the Lakers bench? Hopefully one of those hot beer chicks that runs around.
Ah hell, let’s invite the announcers, they’re so pro-Magic in their comments they might as well put their dresses on and sing the anthem.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The creepy cowboy is Jimmy Goldstein
He seems like he is at every single big playoff game.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mental Toughness Wins Games
First Kobe Bryant fouls Dwight Howard to prevent a dunk and easy basket. Howard misses both free throws. Derek Fisher rescues the Lakers with a triple to sent the game into overtime. Trevor Ariza goes almost out of bounds to recover loose ball and creates another triple for Fisher. Pau Gasol runs like a deer and scores a breakaway. That’s mental toughness amidst tremendous pressure in a road game.
by Toto Battung on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet handle
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Farmar foul Dwight to prevent an easy dunk too? Dwight has no had many dunks this series compared to other playoffs
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a good foul by Farmar
Not great, only because he didn’t stop Dwight from getting the ball up
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Farmar held onto Dwight really well. I dont remember Dwight throwing the ball up for a possible and -1.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then again at least kobe is closer to dwight in weight
dwight has over 100 lbs. on farmar!
by frosty21 on Jun 12, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Fish,
does anyone by any chance have gif file of Kobe high fiving Fish on his way to the locker room after Fish got ejected for decking Scola?
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TURKOGLU postgame: "I know it was a tough loss, man, we had it but we let it slip away because of our stupidness."
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty true
Better smart than stupid, I always say.
And better lucky, than good. At least, in the short run. In the long run, we are all dead.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Kenneth Galbraith.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I better not hear any Magic complaining about refs
they shot 37 free throws to the Lakers 20. 3 away from doubling.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You will find it if you seek it
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was rough under the basket tonight.
I’m surprised they let Howard get away with being so physical. They used to hamstring Shaq, called him for bumps that were way less than what Howard has been doing.
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. They would have to be biased to the point of blindness — utterly unobjective — to try to make that case...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
their mostly whining about Kobe
they want a flagrant foul for the supposed elbow to Jameer’s head..
and Ariza supposedly being out of bounds.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The announcers already discussed the Ariza “out of bounds” if they’re going to blame anyone it should be the lack of white jerseys in the paint going for that board. When a shooter rebounds their own miss no one to blame but their players.
Kobe’s elbow? That could have been Jameer running straight into Kobe.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really a foul?
You can’t bring the ball up to make and overhead pass.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me try that again
Can’t you bring the ball up to make an overhead pass, even if there is a defender in that space?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer ran towards Kobe, it didn’t look like an offensive foul to me.
Regardless, I liked that the refs FINALLY swallowed their whistles in OT instead of calling ticky tack fouls.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you can
as i told tanman earlier when you play ball you’re taught that that is your space. it woulda been different if kobe stuck his elbows out the wqy karl malone used to but he didnt and thats the end of tha discussion
by frosty21 on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello PGFL
Smile! Your team is on the verge of winning after winning a stirring game with all odds against them!
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's started already
I like this one argument: We got the calls when it “mattered”, basically implying that all the calls in the early 4th quarter and the rest of the game that went for them to help them build a 12 pt lead didn’t matter.
by hertagnism on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you make calls that matter, not matter?
Make your free throws.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And make the free throws that matter
Like, all of them.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That quote from Shaq always bothered me
“I make them when they count”.
Well maybe the ones later wouldn’t count if the ones earlier counted.
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq’s missed a lot of clutch FT’s ..
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was the reason the Suns lost to the Spurs in 08, but his ego will never let him realize it. His awful free-throw shooting (including down the stretch) allowed the Spurs to keep fouling him and ruin the Suns momentum over and over again.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAGIC: "The reason the Lakers were down by 12 at halftime is they were shooting a lot of jumpshots..."
In the second half, they started taking the ball to the rack.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought we shot a lot of jumpers in the 2nd half as well. They just went down in hte second half
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did?
I didn’t notice it that much, I saw Trevor hit some threes to make them respect him.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even Magic said it
I’m harping on this, but the Magic got called for ONE FREAKING FOUL the entire fourth quarter!!!! And the Lakers WERE attacking the basket. So Magic fans, I don’t want to hear any crap about how the more aggressive team gets the calls. There’s no one more aggressive than Kobe Bryant in a MUST WIN 4th quarter Game 4.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus that one foul in the 4th was not even a shooting foul
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While it's by no means a done deal
Can the City of Los Angeles at least begin planning a parade without getting criticized for being arrogant and entitled?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
considering how soon a parade is held after they win a title
every city plans ahead. It just happens to be the Lakers which results in the criticism.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I'm finally calming down after that game.
Thanks guys, it’s nap time. Good watching with you all!
by 99bc99 on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too bye bye
Close this baby out on Sunday!!!!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. This is the type of game that defines a champion.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who says Kobe doesn’t smile?
and what’s with Fisher’s weird facial hair he has going on.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought The Machine was Kobe's BFF
by Tydides on Jun 11, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a thought on that...
I think the Machine is really Kobe’s secret nickname… but he turned it around and gave it to Sasha, to protect his own image.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey tandur
sorry about that comment I made earlier. I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
which one? The Spurs comment?
The fact is, I think PoundingtheRock is the best run, and has the most mature blog fanbase here on SBNation.
However, I’m NOT a Spurs fan. I’m hardcore Lakers, have been since the failing days of the Lakers (I was all of 7 then.) But, in regards to San Antonio… A) I’ve lived there… and B) I seriously respect the franchise. It’s the only opponent that I respect and don’t mind losing to.
Not to say SS&R is not bad… but I don’t frequent here as much as I do opponent’s blogs. Not to troll, but to get insight from their point of view, and to give them the view from other teams.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fisher was ecstatic after the game. wow, haven’t seen him that happy since “hector was a pup”
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first time I ever read that phrase was in “Little House on the Prairie”, and I was about to ask if you were a fan of Laura Ingalls Wilder’s books.
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ifinity
BFFs, I’m telling you.
Coincidence that Fisher returns and suddenly we’re championship material? I think not. Fisher gives Kobe someone to confide in.
I still fondly remember Fisher’s first dunk, I think it was 97, on a fast break. Ever since then, I’ve loved the guy. So glad he’s back!!! Take that, Derek Harper!!!!
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes! ariza’s scoring spree was a huge factor in our victory. nevertheless, fisher’s 3 point buckets were the difference makers. kobe again struggled with his shooting. very poor shooting. odom and gasol struggled offensively as well. my favorite play of the game, and most exciting, i think, was when the ball was batted after an orland miss, and gasol chased it down and dunked it.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gasol RAN for that ball like his life depended on it.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup. i loved that look. his face said it all. he showed he wanted that title. i’ve never seen him move that fast.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laker fans going crazy celebrating in East LA - video on Fox 11
some homies celebrating in the streets and trying to shake cars stopped at lights and stuff….wow, they’re getting started a little early I think
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah. that’s pretty stupid. i saw how they almost tipped a van over with passengers in there. what if there are kids in there? people need to exercise civility and self-restraint. stop acting like wild animals. sorry to say, but fans like these tarnish our reputation.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
....................... [[[ insert East LA joke here ]]] ..........................
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not over
Until the ads come on saying “Please celebrate with dignity”
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe Bryant led the Lakers with 32 points and eight assists, his 63rd career 30-point playoff game (most among active players). He has recorded eight or more assists in six straight playoff games, becoming the second Laker (Magic Johnson) to accomplish the feat.
I didn’t realize he had that many assists for so long.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
kobe’s assists go unnoticed because of his high scoring, but also because of the many turnovers. many of his passes are unspectacular. i think his passing has always been one of his weaknesses—even now. often puts his teammates in tough situations and expects them to bail him out. that’s not the mark of a good passer. a good passer is somebody who gives the ball to a teammate and as a result of his pass, puts him in scoring position—outside or in. kobe’s simply never been a good passer. average, yes. above average, perhaps. but not good, definitely not great.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further proof that NBA 2k owns NBA Live
Cover athlete for NBA Live 2010: Dwight Howard
Cover athlete for NBA 2k10: Kobe Bryant
The EA Sports curse continues (as well as their string of crappy, bug filled games.)
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
random joke
for the gamers out there. they might get it.
also, that news was just announced today.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally understood
NBA Live has sucked many years now compared to the 2k series. EA’s bug filled crap is getting old, I’m sick of Madden having serious bugs every year. It used to crashed on season mode all the time.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
… what Lebron thought of the game.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 11, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s probably beating the crap out of little dez
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's thinking the same thing I'm thinking
“Sigh…that could have been us.”
by WaveOcean on Jun 11, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
funniest part of the game
the drunk bitch falling out of her chair
by tdp992 on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
Cougar down! Cougar down!
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah man, looks like she hurt her ass when she fell
I should go out there and make it feel better. ;D
by sumo390 on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
funnest part of that is her friend paying absolutely no attention to her.
Nice cleavage though.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jun 11, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup first time, I was looking to her right
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
I saw the girls during the broadcast. Missed the fall though. Take yo drunk a*& home!!!!!!!!!!!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
FISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Double Dagger Dream Killer
LAKERS BRING THE DARKNESS TO GAME 5, the LIGHT AND LOVE WILL SHINE IN LA.
NO MERCY, NO HOPE.
Zebras, you can send the fruit basket for bailing you out and stuff those techs just out of the finals to FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET’S GET THIS DONE LA LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Cool Dudes on Jun 11, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a game the Lakers probably shouldn’t have won.
i strongly disagree. the lakers deserved to win, for they made the necessary adjustments and put forth the necessary effort to pull it out. they most definitely deserved to win this game. marc jackson and others said after the last game, “the lakers didn’t lost this game, the magic won it.” likewise, the magic didn’t lose this one, the lakers took it. they tore into their opponent’s chest and ripped their heart right out. now it is in the palm of their hands…blood drips as the next battle looms.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
The game really changed when Kobe ripped the ball away from Howard. You could see at that moment how much he wanted this game.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a coin toss game.
Heads, the Lakers won.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should just toss coins
Forget the game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm, you might have a point...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 12, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think so. the lakers won for good reason. call it destiny or a stronger will. they beat the magic, but not by luck.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just to be sure, everybody...
This series is coming back to LA. The only way it doesn’t is if the Magic pull a Denver Nuggets at home.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem the lakers winning this on the road...
the sooner this ends the better…go out and finish them off on their own floor….i gotta say i didn’t like the play by pietrus against gasol…pao probably overreacted, however, pietrus didn’t go for the ball. it should have been a flagrant. i also didn’t like kobe and howard going at it. i love howard. no need for him to diss kobe like that…well, at least he didn’t back down either. he’s gotta stand up and lead his team. good for kobe, though. he’s not taking shit from anyone.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
do you think Gasol is fluent in french?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was called a Flagrant 1
and of course will be reviewed by the NBA, but I highly doubt we’ll see a suspension.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOWS THE TIME TO STRIKE AND GET THIS DONE
LET’S GET THIS DONE LA LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Cool Dudes on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a TEAM win.
Ariza got us going. (1 rebound shy of a double double)
Kobe was steady.
Fisher dealt the daggers.
Pau and Lamar cleaned the glass.
Others committed GOOD fouls or made some buckets.
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
new nickname
the lakers have big game james(worthy), big shot bob(horry), im pushin to have another nickname in the long line of laker greats...finals fisher! i personally think it sounds great. lets get it going to make sure no one ever forgets fishers contribution to our rings
by frosty21 on Jun 12, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. they did a much better job of fouling howard. howard was a beast today defensively. he took gasol right out of the game and messed up his confidence by swatting his first shots.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dwight howard is a monster. he should be banned from the nba…lol
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can't think like that
else u have to take away our 3 titles with Shaq.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what can i say, wish we had the kid. he’s the best big man in the game. and he’s yet to scratch the surface.
by chaucer on Jun 11, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bryant (707) passed Dennis Johnson (676) for 16th place on the finals scoring list. Next up is Bob Pettit (709).
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Magic outscored Trevor Ariza by only a point in the 3rd quarter, 14-13.
Kobe gathers team during tech FT, points at Pau and Bynum and says: “You and you need to go the rim.”
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Kupchak has got work to do
He better do whatever it take to keep Ariza in purple and gold for quite some time. The Lakers needed somebody other than Kobe to step up and that is exactly what he did. And this after a bad first half. He showed that he can rise to the occasion and help his team out.
Last season I saw something in this guy and could just see that he was going to do well this year. Boy has he surpised me. Not only is he good at defense and taking the ball away, his shooting is really getting better. Kobe really trust this kid and I can see why.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
by weazel on Jun 11, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just don’t want mitch to “over-pay” Ariza
by intuitive on Jun 11, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can really over-pay him
First off he is very young, and unlike Luke, he has shown tremendous strides in his game in just he past year. It’s obvious that he works hard, and I see no reason to think that he will not continue to improve. You can’t put a price on stuff like that
by Sideout11 on Jun 11, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Athleticism goes a long way.
If you’re athletic, you can make bad plays occasionally and shoot poorly because there’s other things your body can do to make up for them.
THIS is why luke is overpaid.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
by Justin N. on Jun 12, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree. i dont think he’ll be an all-star, but i do think he’ll be a good player. he plays hard. he hustles a lot. i rather keep him than odom.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he’ll be a fine role player for a team built around kobe bryant. i hope we do keep him. i have a feeling he will opt for a bigger contract…
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit off topic but too great not to mention - Phil is one funny guy
The Lakers coach also dryly took on the contention from Alonzo Mourning that Jackson “doesn’t have anything to do but call timeouts.”
Mourning told the media in a conference call Wednesday that “Kobe is the facilitator. He is the one driving the mission of this particular team right now. The communication level he has with his teammates out there, you can just see it.”
“I think Phil is just showing up, to tell you the truth,” Mourning continued, “and Kobe is doing all the work to make this team successful.”
Jackson said that Mourning’s sentiments were “a pretty good assessment,” and went on to say that “Kobe’s doing a lot of the work. I’m just kind of here, sitting in my chair.”
by michal0501 on Jun 11, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s not being so much funny as he is honest. he isn’t doing crap. he has a difficult time even calling time outs.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the anti-Laker "fans" who bandwagonned from team to team
The “fans” who first appeared on the Dream Shake, then PickAxe, and then 3QC. Not the actual regulars of those blogs, who are, for the most part, fantastic. The fans of eliminated teams (cough Blazers) who desperately clung to every opponent the Lakers faced, sacrificing their integrity as fans, whoring themselves out to any fanbase opposing the Lakers, with cries of “Defeat the rapist!” and clever slogans like “Beat the L*kers! I mean, the F*kers!”
To those sad, sorry, lost souls, I have only this to say to you:
SUCK IT.
Mostly Blazers fans, but occasionally other teams mixed in, this contingent just migrated from blog to blog, hoping something would stop us. They weren’t fueled by a love of the game or of a team, just by a bitter, rank hatred. Living vicariously through other teams, because their team wasn’t good enough.
Those people hopping from team to team lost any right to call us – those who stood by our team through thick and thin, like any real fan – bandwagoners.
It’s a bit sad, to have that much hate. I guess I just don’t understand worrying about teams other than my own. But I guess when your team is gone fishing in the 1st round, you have plenty of time to worry about other teams.
by Snoopy2006 on Jun 11, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, you pimped my bit...........
It’s all good. :-)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jun 11, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry bro, you're right
Should have given you props first. It was seeing your post on 3QC that unleashed the inner rage in me ( I didn’t finish reading your post, so I didn’t see the ‘Kiss my…’ part lol). Great Laker minds think alike though.
Feel free to tack on your own mini-rant too, the more the merrier.
by Snoopy2006 on Jun 11, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the silence of a million dead trolls..............
Is enough for now.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Laker fans return the hate, then the planets will have realigned and all will be right in the Blazers' universe...
The "fans" who first appeared on the Dream Shake, then PickAxe, and then 3QC. Not the actual regulars of those blogs, who are, for the most part, fantastic. The fans of eliminated teams (cough Blazers) who desperately clung to every opponent the Lakers faced, sacrificing their integrity as fans, whoring themselves out to any fanbase opposing the Lakers, with cries of "Defeat the rapist!" and clever slogans like "Beat the L*kers! I mean, the F*kers!"
To those sad, sorry, lost souls, I have only this to say to you:
SUCK IT.
Mostly Blazers fans, but occasionally other teams mixed in, this contingent just migrated from blog to blog, hoping something would stop us.
Most Blazer fans — and by that I mean a majority of them, seriously — feel about the Lakers like a fire-breathing Irish nationalist feels about the English government or what a hardcore southerner feels about “Yankees”…. Something like that. It isn’t a pose, it’s visceral.
The only thing close to it in the Laker orbit is the sentiment Laker fans have towards the Celtics — but Blazer hate of the Lakers is about 5 times stronger than that, since the teams meet more frequently.
Not every Blazer fan feels like this, mind you, but there is a big number that do. I reckon if you were to analyze it, it’s “little brother syndrome” or “small man disease” or something like that — with a history of a few heartbreaking post-season losses thrown into the mix.
Blazers’ championship window is now opening, so it will be a good rivalry over the next 5 years…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Jun 11, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good one
I think this was touched on way earlier in the postseason, but essentially, yes, Lakers fans don’t feel even close to the same about any team as they do about us with the exception of the Celtics. Even the Suns, Kings, and Blazers, the only Western Conference teams I really hate (Jazz and Nuggets are close, but because they play like a bunch of thugs mostly)… well, their fans hate us tons more than we hate them.
And this doesn’t even mention the Spurs, who are the only rival in all of sports I actually respect.
by tandur on Jun 11, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t hate the blazers. i don’t hate the celtics. i don’;t like them, but don’t hate them. i hate the suns. i hate steve nash. i hate their ex coach who bailed out to new york, because he couldn’t beat the lakers when it mattered the most. now look who’s going to deliver the title…not you, you arrogant punk!
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys, read this article from cbssports.com: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11845571
i started a thread on the bottom called “Doyel, Doyel, Doyel, idiot, idiot, idiot”
like, read this article though. Unbelievable. He’s a LBJ fan by the way.
by RudeMood19 on Jun 11, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
He’s “almost” as bad as Bill Simmons…. well, maybe worse, because Simmons atleast gives the Lakers respect from time to time. He just inserts a sarcastic remark to remind us that he hates the Lakers.
by tandur on Jun 12, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably mad he had to erase his story that was all made already
Making Kobe the goat of the game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not nearly as bad as Simmons
I don’t mind Simmons because he makes it clear he’s a Celtics fan and as a result, hates the Lakers and all things Lakers. He acknowledges his bias and admits that it skews his view.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
REPLAY TIME!!
Shortned replay of Game 4 now on ESPN. It is shortened at times, with extended commercial breaks (you thought the breaks were bad when the game was live…)
But the skipping ahead in the action isn’t as bad as the game gets later. I imagine it will show most of the 4th quarter and the entire OT period.
by tandur on Jun 12, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
interesting. made me a liar. first, it started after halftime.. and second, seems like it isn’t going to skip ahead. nice, because I missed the entire OT because of my dogs.
by tandur on Jun 12, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
game 4 had a historic ending. this has been a great series.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THOUGH A HARDCORE LAKER FAN, ORLANDO HAS DONE NOTHING WORTHY OF MY ANIMOSITY, SO I CANT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DO IT…YOU HAVE TO HAND TO THE LAKERS..THEY WANT THIS TITLE BADDDDDDD…AND THEY ARE PLAYING LIKE IT…VICTORY IS SO CLOSE THEY CAN SEE IT..THE BLACK MAMBA CAN TASTE IT…ALL LAKER FANS PRAY THEY GET IT..AND IM JUST FOLLOWING SUIT…
by tha 1st laker princess on Jun 12, 2009 12:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Entertaining series
This is a good series and I am enjoying it a lot. Not just because I’ve been a life long Laker fan since I was a kid (‘66) but because the Magic have given the Lakers fits. If not for a couple of bad breaks and botched plays, the series could easily be tied at 2 apiece. They are a worthy opponent for sure. But, the Lakers were amazing tonight. Everyone saw the game, so I won’t go into details. Like I tell my Laker hater friends, the Lakers win championships because they are committed to a winning tradition. It’s not by luck or accident that they’ve got 14 titles, going on fifteen.
I know my Laker hater friends will point out the elbow to Nelson’s jaw delivered by Kobe and Kobe’s take down of Dwight late in the game. But, both were handled correctly. Fpr every foul or violation they will point out that favored L.A., I’ll be able to point out one in favor of the home team. Maybe more than one per. As for the conspiracy theorists who believe that the NBA tried to fix it so that we’d have a Kobe-LeBron Finals, the disparity in free throw attempts in the fourth quarter and overtime may actually point to a secret plan by Stern to fix the playoffs in favor of…..Orlando!
by Phartknokker on Jun 12, 2009 3:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the magic guys have been really classy, especially one of the editors there, eddie rivera. tip my hat to him.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is fisher under contract for next season? i wonder if he’s going to call it quits.i think kobe still needs him; the lakers still need him. i would prefer he comes off the bench, but that means that we would have to acquire another starting-caliber pg….i’ve been longing for a star pg since magic johnson left. van exel was good, and i liked him a lot. but he never lived up to the expectations that were placed on him after his second season with the lakers. i wanted jason kidd when he was in his prime. i hope we get a playmaker at the pg. it’s time that showtime be reborn.
by chaucer on Jun 12, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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