NBA Finals Game 4 Post Game Thread: Lakers- 99, Magic- 91
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 9:32 PM PDT
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Hmmmm maybe that NBA Finals experience paid off? Derek Fisher came through with two HUGE threes, one of which tied the game at the end of regulation to send the game to overtime and the other put the Lakers ahead for good in overtime. While everyone is sure to talk about Fish's two threes, Dwight Howard's missed free throws and possibly Michael Pietrus' foul at the end of the game, what many will forget is Trevor Ariza's nine consecutive points to get the Lakers back in the ball game in the third period.
This was a game the Lakers probably shouldn't have won. The Orlando Magic were far better in the first half as they shot over 50% while the Lakers shot 33%, but a strong third quarter got the Lakers back in it. There are two numbers the Magic will look at as keys in them letting the game get away. One if the 17 Magic turnovers to 7 for the Lakers. The other is their 59.5% free throw shooting.
The play that will stand out in my mind came from Kobe Bryant, as per usual, but it wasn't a big shot that stands out. Following a Dwight Howard offensive rebound, Kobe stepped in, ripped the ball from the Orlando center and held on strong as he got fouled. That play right there showed the toughness the Lakers have this year that was missing last year. That right there is a leader stepping in and doing the dirty work. That game right there is the Lakers taking a 3-1 series lead in these NBA Finals, one win away from a NBA Championship and party on Figueroa.
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We win!! Despite getting no free throws starting from the 4th quarter. The last 2 FT’s by Pau don’t really count since the game was already decided by then
I was so angry
The Lakers were never meant to win game 4 according to the refs. 18 free throw attempts verses zero? I was yelling at the TV.
And a 12 point deficit at halftime!
You guys definitely have the better team. No way Cleveland would have been able to overcome all those odds.
Foul Shots in 4th quarter to OT was what? 18-1 in favor of the Magic? Also Kobe was god awful at stretches. He needs to continue to facilitate rather than try to play hero. Good Game.
A lot of things went against us and the Lakers held in there and prevailed anyways.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
To be a champion you have to play through all of that
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That reminds me
Congratulations for winning a game the refs tried to alter. It isn’t easy to do that, and your team deserves a lot of credit for it.
I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but that's pretty much the story to me... One-sided reffing.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
The funny part was the Orlando fans chanting "Refs you suck."
New Rule: Magic fans don’t get to complain about the reffing when the Lakers have to play Mbenga and Powell at the same time.
Refs all the way!
The one play that stands out for me is when Gasol and Howard were standing under the basket late in the 4th quarter. A magic player throws up a brick and Howard proceeds to throw Gasol to the ground to get the rebound. The refs proceed to call a foul and send Howard to the line. The replay clearly shows Howard throw Gasol to the ground right before he got the rebound. He went on to miss both freethrows! HaHa! Karma is b*&%h!!!!!!!!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Ouch
That’s all I have to say
"The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people."
So where are you gonna get that "L" tattoo after the Lakers win this thing?
P.S. Thanks for Trevor!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Thanks for breaking my heart
:(
"The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people."
My best line of the night: Phil Jackson doesn't draw up plays — he visualizes future success...
New form of jokes: Phil Jokes, with him being the Chuck Norris of Hippy Dippy Zen,..
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Fisher diving for that loose ball and calling timeout
Really pumped me up.
He was crawling, and made that extra effort to secure the ball.
I was very surprised at how fast the Lakers closed the gap in the third. Trevor Ariza made the Magic GM cry tonight.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
That win was remarkable in that the refs were definitely giving the homer calls tonight, but the Lakers hung tough.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
This Finals may turn out to be a redemption for so many players
Mitch – trading players
Fisher – washed up
Kobe – No Shaq
Ariza – Traded by Magic
Gasol – Not tough
Phil – Can’t build a team that isn’t championship-ready
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, Fish
I totally take back anything bad I said about you in the last month. You’re still the man and I suck.
Stan's the biggest choker of all — he did it again!!!
The one game they won, he coached normally, instead of micromanaging substitutions with wackydoodle seat-of-the-pants lineup changes…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
SVG whined about not getting calls in the 3rd...
then got ALL the calls in the 4th. Considering the referee bias, I’m amazed we even forced OT.
yeah
big shot Fish
RIP Nick Adenhart 4/9/09
by vlad IS my man on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes he did.
That 0.4 shot was just insane, however these two top that because now we have a strenglehold on the Magic.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
About "dirty plays" and winning this game.
Kobe didn’t not throw his elbow on purpose. He moved to throw the ball to fish, Jameer ran into him. Watch it game speed. Howard has been leading with his elbow and shoulders all series. It’s a been a tough series.
At least Kobe went for the ball when he pulled on Howard. Petrius balled up his fist and punched Pau on an open break-away. That’s a dirty play.
Good win Lakers.
The comment in the other thread also alluded to Trevor's being out of bounds on his miss in OT
I believe they even used a telestrator to circle his foot being inbounds before he caught the ball.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
yep
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
in response to tanman5 as well
“Dirty players I am not a Magic fan, but I was disappointed to see the Lakers’ dirty play rewarded tonight. For one, Kobe absolutely tackled Dwight Howard at the end of the game. Should have been a flagrant foul. Then, he set up the game-winning three-pointer by elbowing Jameer Nelson in the face. Now, maybe the Lakers were the better team. The Magic certainly didn’t help themselves by missing freethrows and giving the ball away. But I can’t respect Kobe. Not the way he’s hyped. He showed no integrity. All he ever does is whine, but today he made some dirty plays (and I won’t even talk about Ariza’s non-call when he was standing out of bounds).
The Lakers may be the best team in basketball. But tonight, they did not deserve to win. Dirty play"
lol are u freakin serious? if lakers are dirty, magic are just as guilty. u must be freakin blind. dwight throws plenty of dirty elbows all the time and dirty moving screens. and jameer just ran into kobe while he was passing it out – shit happens – thats why the refs didnt call anything. and did u miss the lopsided foul calls against the lakers for 4th and ot? lakers only benefited from like what, 2, foul calls during that period. and u must have missed the peitrus pushoff at the end of o.t. as well. dirty is as dirty does then right?
There's the FT discrepancy...
Takes 10 seconds to get the ball inbounds and no 5 sec call…
There is no excuse for the Magic. They were handed the game on a silver platter and s**t the bed.
I think they were over 5 twice. If anyone has this one recorded and has a stopwatch, time it.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
ref's arms
By the ref’s count they got it in on 5 both times. The ref probably counted slow. But ALL IS FORGIVEN, woo hoo!!!
Yeah.. they were counting like they were in WWE.
But regardless of that Lakers still pulled through. Fisher is one wily veteran, love it!
And that's why Derek Fisher is starting, haters!!!
Veteran experience. ’Nuff said on that topic.
Second topic: The refs pretty much had given the Magic the game in the 4th (I hate blaming refs, but this HAS to be said…) with only one team foul against Orlando the entire fourth, giving them what would be an average of 4 fouls the ENTIRE game if the refs had called it that way the entire game. The most egregious was several Hedo push offs, and the right, but unfair call on Kobe on the Pietrus fast break, but Kobe couldn’t buy a call on his drives. Personally, I feel Odom’s tantrum, combined with Bynum’s, turned the refs against us.
But then Big Fish came down, hit a shot where the refs couldn’t make a bad call to blow it, and blew their plan outta the water.
I was wrong
I can admit it.
Derek Fisher has balls of steel.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is, too often he shoots balls of lead...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Yeah Bynum was crying
He looked frustrated for sure. I want him to use that anger and dunk on Howard!
Yeah, but my point is no way they can say they are the better team
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
Let the point guard controversy begin
I like when a team starts arguing with each other
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
oh
that’s gonna go on all season. Magic fans deny it, think Alston will give back the job willingly, but they obviously don’t know Raefer.
Yeah, I think the Magic is kind of self-destructing with this point guard mess..
I’m starting to believe this Van Gundy being panicky guy.
They can say whatever they want
I’ll just say 3-1
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
That was satisfying
Not quite a mirror image of last year, but the Lakers battling back from a 12-pt halftime deficit to take a 3-1 lead is sweet, sweet news one year later…
Fischer saved the Lakers
Wow. It’s so weird to type that. This guy was woeful from the 3 point line all postseason. Laker fans were demanding that he be benched in the WCSF. When he hit those two 3 pointers, I exploded…because I never, ever, EVER thought that he could hit them. The trust and bond between Phil Jackson and Derek Fischer is at a level we may never understand, but tonight, he redeemed himself for all the faults he’s displayed the last few months.
Guys like Fish and Horry may not have their numbers retired
but there place as Laker legends is certain
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
They're the Michael Coopers
Their numbers will never be retired, but no one will ever forget them.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The Fish that Saved Los Angeles
And Kobe.
I’m so glad Kobe fans will not have to face the shit storm that was coming if Lakers lost.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
What did he do wrong?
The shit storm should go at the refs. Remember how I said they were balanced in game 3? Well, they favored Orlando completely in game 4.
That's the coaching decision
I only like that Pau pick and roll for a few, not more than 3 straight possesions
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong
He just forced a few shots, and took a lot of jumpers.
But it’s hard not to take j’s when the refs aren’t calling anything when you drive aggressively.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear ya
Ariza scored the points to get us back in it, but KB24 was responsible for just about all of those points, due to drawing double teams and smartly initiating ball movement out of them.
Which reminds me...I'm starting to sound like a broken record
I really, really, really, really, REALLY wish Ariza was wearing wine and gold. (I think I used four "really"s the last time)
100 million dollar man a no show
Rashad Lewis with 6pts and 7 rebounds in 46.5 minutes. Did anyone even notice he was there ?
I noticed when he hit that three in OT with the shot clock down to almost zero
ouch
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was terrified of him all game
But yeah, he could not hit any shots in this game. And thank goodness!
It's just bitterness
Just ignore me whenever I talk about how Orlando beat Cleveland by luck. I’m just lashing out in frustration.
I want Simmons to write a column about all the calls the Magic got in this game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Too late
Already sent him an e-mail as the game ended. Revenge is a dish best served cold simmons.
Officiating
You won the game, be happy. But two things would be wrong.
1. Do NOT blame the refs. The referees helped the Lakers at crucial points in the game. Ariza is a talented player, but he has been all over Turkoglu and got away with a few. Calls were missed on both sides, but Magic fans have more of a right to complain. Ariza was standing out of bounds when he tipped a ball in toward the end of the game. Kobe should have been called for a flagrant when Howard missed those two free throws, and he should have been called for an elbow to Jameer’s face with Fisher in the game.
2. Please, do not compare Kobe to MJ because of this game. He is a talented player. But today, Kobe was a dirty player. He threw elbows, absolutely hammered Howard all game, and his game-winning assist was bad elbow.
So, be happy with the win. The Magic played poorly and you took advantage. But don’t blame the refs, who certainly helped you at the end, and don’t annoint Kobe God because of this performance. Comparing him to MJ is an insult to MJ at this point.
Go crap in someone else's cereal
Kobe is on the brink of a title, I love that you hate it.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
I eat pieces of crap like you for breakfast
You eat crap for breakfast?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm perfectly fine with it
Heck, I would have been alright even if it were the Cavs who were in a 3-1 deficit against the Lakers. Losing to the Lakers in the Finals is the best way to lose in the postseason.
Utterly one-sided officiating... Dwight Howard got superstar no-calls.
HA HA, SINGING GIRL LOST!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
refs?
umm… I’m just gonna say this… ONE team foul on the Magic the ENTIRE FOURTH QUARTER… and not until there was less than 2 minutes left on a ticky tack foul. So get lost.
And it's not like the Lakers didn't deserve them.
Kobe got body checked like no other in the lane by Howard MANY times in the 4th. It was the kind of thing Lebron got the call for throughout the Magic-Cleveland series.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Ariza's left foot was inbounds. His right foot wasn't touching the ground.
Maybe Howard should have made on of the two FTs he missed right there at the end.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
Like I said, before, they tried to cater to the less intelligent people
…by circling Trevor’s foot with a bright yellow circle!
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
Comparing Kobe to MJ is an insult to Kobe
While MJ was a better player, Kobe is not a pathological competitor off the court, doesn’t literally punch his teammates, and doesn’t feel the need to win ping pong matches, run into gambling debt due to his competitive streak (look it up). If MJ came up during this era of instant news and litigation, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him involved in even more allegations and scandals than Kobe.
Kobe also facilitates the offense, AND has to score AND set the defensive tone.
MJ had Scottie to share the duties.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Internet
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He's so lucky the internet was in its infancy and sports reporting was still old schoool and protected the players
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Even so, we still love him
Look at all that he gave to the game. Yes, he had Scottie Pippen, but he still accounted for close to half of the scoring for the Bulls on a regular basis. And if you watch clips on YouTube, his amazing defense set him apart from other players. When he was at his prime, the NBA ratings soared to unprecedented heights that may never be reached again. The 1998 NBA Finals is the only NBA Finals to get better ratings than the same year’s World Series.
Thanks, we're happy
1. 18 FTs. Also, I guess you’re missing all those push offs by Turk?
2. Who is comparing Kobe to MJ right now? Nobody
LOL don’t blame the refs. That’s a good one.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point on Hedo's push-offs
Every drive that guy makes typically involves at least two fouls by him…
by KC Gunner on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
His off arm is very active
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Could it be that he was originally left-handed?
Because that off-hand sure knows how to “work”..
MJ not dirty ... ?
Ask Byron Russell after ’98 Game 6.
What?
Come on now, the magic got away with a hell of a lot fouls. Howard was tossing people all over the court. As much as you might want to complain about the lack of officiating, the magic went to the line way more than the lakers. THEY CHOKED THIS GAME AWAY ALL ON THEIR OWN!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
have you ever played basketball?
for one kobe and dwight in the fourth was absolutely not a foul. kobe went over dwight clean. no behind the back at all. if anything it could have been a jumpball before kobe ripped it away. once he did though it became a clean play. admittingly very physical but its the finals and to be expected. second when jameer got elbowed it was his own fault. as a player you are taught that as long as you dont stick you elbows out the way karl malone uesd to do your ok. that is your zone to move as you will. jameer ran into it. third turkoglu has played dirty all series. everytime he brings the ball up court he’s been using his off arm to give trevor a stiff arm and that is absolutely a foul. sorry bro but the comments you made indicate lack of playing experience
No way that was a flagrant
on Kobe. That was solid competition for a rebound. Take off your homer glasses. And the broadcast clearly showed Ariza was inbounds.
Better absurd Magic talking points, please…
If that was a flagrant
Then the term “playoff foul” is a farce, and every commentator that ever lambasted a player for fouling another guy soft and allowing him continuation is full of crap.
As fans, they are expected to complain!
The “one layup and some free throws from being up 3-1” is a great argument. The only problem is, the Lakers are the ones up 3-1. Coulda,shoulda, woulda… didn’t.
hey we broke another massive streak! wanna know?
magic are 7-0 at home with the little girl singing and make it 7-1 now, lol. and on the other hand we are 7-0 in the playoffs in bounce back games after losses.
So I take it she won't sing the anthem on Sunday since the streak is over.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
AWWWWWW — Now she'll NEVER learn all the words!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Well to be fair
This was a heartbreaking loss for them. I’m sure it’s hard for them to see the game objectively right now.
I can see objectively when the Lakers lose
Well as objectively as when they win, at least
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
believe it or not, people have a hard time doing it ;)
by chrisbeomsuh on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard on me when the Laker lose, yet I can objectivly tell you why we lost
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
Does anybody know who that fan is sitting on the sidelines?
He wears Kobe’s jersey and stands up a lot. I swear he was at the Denver games too. Must be nice!
I was wondering how it the world he got tickets down there.
In Orlando none the less. Lucky dude.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
What a night he must be having
How priceless is it to stand in a rival stadium, triumphantly watching the wild Orlando crowd empty out in silence and anger after having to put up with them yelling and cheering and chanting all game?
Whew what a game
Fisher again making an impact
Trevor making an impact
Kobe was Kobe
One win away
OOHH What a game
yeah kobe had a 33% shooting nite and we still pull out a win! how awesome is that?
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers are 1-0
In game 4 of the finals when leading the series 2-1 and Kobe takes 30+ shots.
Stick that in your pipe Mike Wilbon.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Amazing game.
Lakers did it despite the refs. I can’t believe Stan complaining about officiating. What a loser of a coach. Blame your freethrows and your turnovers. Also, blame your overconfidence. With the Lakers down 5 with 30 seconds to go the Magic thought they won it and they let Kobe get in the lane and make a pass to Gasol for an easy dunk. Then Dwight Howard missed to free throws….the rest is and will be history.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I just love that look
and the one if OT is just as good.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
dam Gils
YOu are the best at this. I love that!
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that a lot.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What has gone unnoticed is the fact that Luke has put together quite a nice series, just at the right time.
Luuuuuuke
Forgot to put him under the “redemption” list, too for those who cried foul over his contract.
Who am I kidding, he’s overpaid!
But he contributes!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, guts.
Pau Gasol, punched in the back, drops the dunk, and then walks up and chest bumps Petrius. He may be skinny, but he’s tough. I love it.
Fisher. My man. He’s 34 but is on the ground grabbing loose balls, and then shooting balls of steel putting the dagger in their hearts. It was great!. Wow what a game.
This series spells redemption
but this game spells reselience.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT reply actions
Boston?
they have nothing to do with this win. It wasn’t the Lakers fault they couldnt’ make it this far. So all of a sudden the Lakers are to blame for KG’s injury.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
no
wow, boy. settle down. here’s a bone for you to chew on.
I don’t care about beating the Magic. As far as I’m concerned, their a junk team. Living by the 3 will never win a NBA championship.
The only teams I cared about beating this season was Cleveland and Boston. The Cavs to silence the Lebron fans, and Boston for revenge.
It’s not our fault that Boston didn’t make it, but trust me, we’re going to hear all season how “the Celtics would have beat LA if they made it.” Alot of woulda, coulda, shoulda, but prepare yourselves.
omg...
first of all. The Lakers won. Second of all just give your input as I did. But if you are going to throw insults then keep those comments to yourself. If you dont like my opinion then speak your point of view. Just keep it at that.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
lakers beat boston at full strength in the reg season, good enough for me.
by kumquatsrus on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
ditto goes for you
you interpret things I didn’t say. I didn’t say it’s our fault Boston didn’t make it. Take some of your own medicine. (Which you won’t.)
How now, a Spurs fan?
You are absolutely furious that the Lakers are going to win another title, aren’t you?
It doesn't matter who's a what fan
Your points and thoughts have been made. Move on now guys.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 11, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The dude with the turban under the goal?
Maybe Stan himself? How about the Creepy Cowboy hat guy that sits near the Lakers bench? Hopefully one of those hot beer chicks that runs around.
Ah hell, let’s invite the announcers, they’re so pro-Magic in their comments they might as well put their dresses on and sing the anthem.
The creepy cowboy is Jimmy Goldstein
He seems like he is at every single big playoff game.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Mental Toughness Wins Games
First Kobe Bryant fouls Dwight Howard to prevent a dunk and easy basket. Howard misses both free throws. Derek Fisher rescues the Lakers with a triple to sent the game into overtime. Trevor Ariza goes almost out of bounds to recover loose ball and creates another triple for Fisher. Pau Gasol runs like a deer and scores a breakaway. That’s mental toughness amidst tremendous pressure in a road game.
Sweet handle
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t Farmar foul Dwight to prevent an easy dunk too? Dwight has no had many dunks this series compared to other playoffs
That was a good foul by Farmar
Not great, only because he didn’t stop Dwight from getting the ball up
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by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
then again at least kobe is closer to dwight in weight
dwight has over 100 lbs. on farmar!
Speaking of Fish,
does anyone by any chance have gif file of Kobe high fiving Fish on his way to the locker room after Fish got ejected for decking Scola?
TURKOGLU postgame: "I know it was a tough loss, man, we had it but we let it slip away because of our stupidness."
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Pretty true
Better smart than stupid, I always say.
And better lucky, than good. At least, in the short run. In the long run, we are all dead.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
John Kenneth Galbraith.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I better not hear any Magic complaining about refs
they shot 37 free throws to the Lakers 20. 3 away from doubling.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions
You will find it if you seek it
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it was rough under the basket tonight.
I’m surprised they let Howard get away with being so physical. They used to hamstring Shaq, called him for bumps that were way less than what Howard has been doing.
No kidding. They would have to be biased to the point of blindness — utterly unobjective — to try to make that case...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
their mostly whining about Kobe
they want a flagrant foul for the supposed elbow to Jameer’s head..
and Ariza supposedly being out of bounds.
The announcers already discussed the Ariza “out of bounds” if they’re going to blame anyone it should be the lack of white jerseys in the paint going for that board. When a shooter rebounds their own miss no one to blame but their players.
Kobe’s elbow? That could have been Jameer running straight into Kobe.
Is that really a foul?
You can’t bring the ball up to make and overhead pass.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me try that again
Can’t you bring the ball up to make an overhead pass, even if there is a defender in that space?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
yes you can
as i told tanman earlier when you play ball you’re taught that that is your space. it woulda been different if kobe stuck his elbows out the wqy karl malone used to but he didnt and thats the end of tha discussion
Hello PGFL
Smile! Your team is on the verge of winning after winning a stirring game with all odds against them!
It's started already
I like this one argument: We got the calls when it “mattered”, basically implying that all the calls in the early 4th quarter and the rest of the game that went for them to help them build a 12 pt lead didn’t matter.
And make the free throws that matter
Like, all of them.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That quote from Shaq always bothered me
“I make them when they count”.
Well maybe the ones later wouldn’t count if the ones earlier counted.
MAGIC: "The reason the Lakers were down by 12 at halftime is they were shooting a lot of jumpshots..."
In the second half, they started taking the ball to the rack.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
They did?
I didn’t notice it that much, I saw Trevor hit some threes to make them respect him.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
even Magic said it
I’m harping on this, but the Magic got called for ONE FREAKING FOUL the entire fourth quarter!!!! And the Lakers WERE attacking the basket. So Magic fans, I don’t want to hear any crap about how the more aggressive team gets the calls. There’s no one more aggressive than Kobe Bryant in a MUST WIN 4th quarter Game 4.
While it's by no means a done deal
Can the City of Los Angeles at least begin planning a parade without getting criticized for being arrogant and entitled?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
considering how soon a parade is held after they win a title
every city plans ahead. It just happens to be the Lakers which results in the criticism.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow I'm finally calming down after that game.
Thanks guys, it’s nap time. Good watching with you all!
Me too bye bye
Close this baby out on Sunday!!!!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. This is the type of game that defines a champion.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions
I had a thought on that...
I think the Machine is really Kobe’s secret nickname… but he turned it around and gave it to Sasha, to protect his own image.
Hey tandur
sorry about that comment I made earlier. I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
?
which one? The Spurs comment?
The fact is, I think PoundingtheRock is the best run, and has the most mature blog fanbase here on SBNation.
However, I’m NOT a Spurs fan. I’m hardcore Lakers, have been since the failing days of the Lakers (I was all of 7 then.) But, in regards to San Antonio… A) I’ve lived there… and B) I seriously respect the franchise. It’s the only opponent that I respect and don’t mind losing to.
Not to say SS&R is not bad… but I don’t frequent here as much as I do opponent’s blogs. Not to troll, but to get insight from their point of view, and to give them the view from other teams.
+ifinity
BFFs, I’m telling you.
Coincidence that Fisher returns and suddenly we’re championship material? I think not. Fisher gives Kobe someone to confide in.
I still fondly remember Fisher’s first dunk, I think it was 97, on a fast break. Ever since then, I’ve loved the guy. So glad he’s back!!! Take that, Derek Harper!!!!
yes! ariza’s scoring spree was a huge factor in our victory. nevertheless, fisher’s 3 point buckets were the difference makers. kobe again struggled with his shooting. very poor shooting. odom and gasol struggled offensively as well. my favorite play of the game, and most exciting, i think, was when the ball was batted after an orland miss, and gasol chased it down and dunked it.
Laker fans going crazy celebrating in East LA - video on Fox 11
some homies celebrating in the streets and trying to shake cars stopped at lights and stuff….wow, they’re getting started a little early I think
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
yeah. that’s pretty stupid. i saw how they almost tipped a van over with passengers in there. what if there are kids in there? people need to exercise civility and self-restraint. stop acting like wild animals. sorry to say, but fans like these tarnish our reputation.
....................... [[[ insert East LA joke here ]]] ..........................
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
It's not over
Until the ads come on saying “Please celebrate with dignity”
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Kobe Bryant led the Lakers with 32 points and eight assists, his 63rd career 30-point playoff game (most among active players). He has recorded eight or more assists in six straight playoff games, becoming the second Laker (Magic Johnson) to accomplish the feat.
I didn’t realize he had that many assists for so long.
kobe’s assists go unnoticed because of his high scoring, but also because of the many turnovers. many of his passes are unspectacular. i think his passing has always been one of his weaknesses—even now. often puts his teammates in tough situations and expects them to bail him out. that’s not the mark of a good passer. a good passer is somebody who gives the ball to a teammate and as a result of his pass, puts him in scoring position—outside or in. kobe’s simply never been a good passer. average, yes. above average, perhaps. but not good, definitely not great.
Further proof that NBA 2k owns NBA Live
Cover athlete for NBA Live 2010: Dwight Howard
Cover athlete for NBA 2k10: Kobe Bryant
The EA Sports curse continues (as well as their string of crappy, bug filled games.)
I totally understood
NBA Live has sucked many years now compared to the 2k series. EA’s bug filled crap is getting old, I’m sick of Madden having serious bugs every year. It used to crashed on season mode all the time.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that too
Cougar down! Cougar down!
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
funnest part of that is her friend paying absolutely no attention to her.
Nice cleavage though.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Yup first time, I was looking to her right
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Hilarious
I saw the girls during the broadcast. Missed the fall though. Take yo drunk a*& home!!!!!!!!!!!
gobigred4ever
by gobigred4ever on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
FISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
FISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Double Dagger Dream Killer
LAKERS BRING THE DARKNESS TO GAME 5, the LIGHT AND LOVE WILL SHINE IN LA.
NO MERCY, NO HOPE.
Zebras, you can send the fruit basket for bailing you out and stuff those techs just out of the finals to FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET’S GET THIS DONE LA LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was a game the Lakers probably shouldn’t have won.
i strongly disagree. the lakers deserved to win, for they made the necessary adjustments and put forth the necessary effort to pull it out. they most definitely deserved to win this game. marc jackson and others said after the last game, “the lakers didn’t lost this game, the magic won it.” likewise, the magic didn’t lose this one, the lakers took it. they tore into their opponent’s chest and ripped their heart right out. now it is in the palm of their hands…blood drips as the next battle looms.
Totally agree
The game really changed when Kobe ripped the ball away from Howard. You could see at that moment how much he wanted this game.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
It was a coin toss game.
Heads, the Lakers won.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
They should just toss coins
Forget the game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm, you might have a point...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
just to be sure, everybody...
This series is coming back to LA. The only way it doesn’t is if the Magic pull a Denver Nuggets at home.
i have no problem the lakers winning this on the road...
the sooner this ends the better…go out and finish them off on their own floor….i gotta say i didn’t like the play by pietrus against gasol…pao probably overreacted, however, pietrus didn’t go for the ball. it should have been a flagrant. i also didn’t like kobe and howard going at it. i love howard. no need for him to diss kobe like that…well, at least he didn’t back down either. he’s gotta stand up and lead his team. good for kobe, though. he’s not taking shit from anyone.
I believe it was called a Flagrant 1
and of course will be reviewed by the NBA, but I highly doubt we’ll see a suspension.
NOWS THE TIME TO STRIKE AND GET THIS DONE
LET’S GET THIS DONE LA LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was a TEAM win.
Ariza got us going. (1 rebound shy of a double double)
Kobe was steady.
Fisher dealt the daggers.
Pau and Lamar cleaned the glass.
Others committed GOOD fouls or made some buckets.
new nickname
the lakers have big game james(worthy), big shot bob(horry), im pushin to have another nickname in the long line of laker greats...finals fisher! i personally think it sounds great. lets get it going to make sure no one ever forgets fishers contribution to our rings
The Magic outscored Trevor Ariza by only a point in the 3rd quarter, 14-13.
Kobe gathers team during tech FT, points at Pau and Bynum and says: “You and you need to go the rim.”
Mitch Kupchak has got work to do
He better do whatever it take to keep Ariza in purple and gold for quite some time. The Lakers needed somebody other than Kobe to step up and that is exactly what he did. And this after a bad first half. He showed that he can rise to the occasion and help his team out.
Last season I saw something in this guy and could just see that he was going to do well this year. Boy has he surpised me. Not only is he good at defense and taking the ball away, his shooting is really getting better. Kobe really trust this kid and I can see why.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers lead NBA Finals 3-1
I don't think you can really over-pay him
First off he is very young, and unlike Luke, he has shown tremendous strides in his game in just he past year. It’s obvious that he works hard, and I see no reason to think that he will not continue to improve. You can’t put a price on stuff like that
Athleticism goes a long way.
If you’re athletic, you can make bad plays occasionally and shoot poorly because there’s other things your body can do to make up for them.
THIS is why luke is overpaid.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
A bit off topic but too great not to mention - Phil is one funny guy
The Lakers coach also dryly took on the contention from Alonzo Mourning that Jackson “doesn’t have anything to do but call timeouts.”
Mourning told the media in a conference call Wednesday that “Kobe is the facilitator. He is the one driving the mission of this particular team right now. The communication level he has with his teammates out there, you can just see it.”
“I think Phil is just showing up, to tell you the truth,” Mourning continued, “and Kobe is doing all the work to make this team successful.”
Jackson said that Mourning’s sentiments were “a pretty good assessment,” and went on to say that “Kobe’s doing a lot of the work. I’m just kind of here, sitting in my chair.”
To the anti-Laker "fans" who bandwagonned from team to team
The “fans” who first appeared on the Dream Shake, then PickAxe, and then 3QC. Not the actual regulars of those blogs, who are, for the most part, fantastic. The fans of eliminated teams (cough Blazers) who desperately clung to every opponent the Lakers faced, sacrificing their integrity as fans, whoring themselves out to any fanbase opposing the Lakers, with cries of “Defeat the rapist!” and clever slogans like “Beat the L*kers! I mean, the F*kers!”
To those sad, sorry, lost souls, I have only this to say to you:
SUCK IT.
Mostly Blazers fans, but occasionally other teams mixed in, this contingent just migrated from blog to blog, hoping something would stop us. They weren’t fueled by a love of the game or of a team, just by a bitter, rank hatred. Living vicariously through other teams, because their team wasn’t good enough.
Those people hopping from team to team lost any right to call us – those who stood by our team through thick and thin, like any real fan – bandwagoners.
It’s a bit sad, to have that much hate. I guess I just don’t understand worrying about teams other than my own. But I guess when your team is gone fishing in the 1st round, you have plenty of time to worry about other teams.
by Snoopy2006 on Jun 11, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, you pimped my bit...........
It’s all good. :-)
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Sorry bro, you're right
Should have given you props first. It was seeing your post on 3QC that unleashed the inner rage in me ( I didn’t finish reading your post, so I didn’t see the ‘Kiss my…’ part lol). Great Laker minds think alike though.
Feel free to tack on your own mini-rant too, the more the merrier.
I think the silence of a million dead trolls..............
Is enough for now.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
When Laker fans return the hate, then the planets will have realigned and all will be right in the Blazers' universe...
The "fans" who first appeared on the Dream Shake, then PickAxe, and then 3QC. Not the actual regulars of those blogs, who are, for the most part, fantastic. The fans of eliminated teams (cough Blazers) who desperately clung to every opponent the Lakers faced, sacrificing their integrity as fans, whoring themselves out to any fanbase opposing the Lakers, with cries of "Defeat the rapist!" and clever slogans like "Beat the L*kers! I mean, the F*kers!"
To those sad, sorry, lost souls, I have only this to say to you:
SUCK IT.
Mostly Blazers fans, but occasionally other teams mixed in, this contingent just migrated from blog to blog, hoping something would stop us.
Most Blazer fans — and by that I mean a majority of them, seriously — feel about the Lakers like a fire-breathing Irish nationalist feels about the English government or what a hardcore southerner feels about “Yankees”…. Something like that. It isn’t a pose, it’s visceral.
The only thing close to it in the Laker orbit is the sentiment Laker fans have towards the Celtics — but Blazer hate of the Lakers is about 5 times stronger than that, since the teams meet more frequently.
Not every Blazer fan feels like this, mind you, but there is a big number that do. I reckon if you were to analyze it, it’s “little brother syndrome” or “small man disease” or something like that — with a history of a few heartbreaking post-season losses thrown into the mix.
Blazers’ championship window is now opening, so it will be a good rivalry over the next 5 years…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
good one
I think this was touched on way earlier in the postseason, but essentially, yes, Lakers fans don’t feel even close to the same about any team as they do about us with the exception of the Celtics. Even the Suns, Kings, and Blazers, the only Western Conference teams I really hate (Jazz and Nuggets are close, but because they play like a bunch of thugs mostly)… well, their fans hate us tons more than we hate them.
And this doesn’t even mention the Spurs, who are the only rival in all of sports I actually respect.
i don’t hate the blazers. i don’t hate the celtics. i don’;t like them, but don’t hate them. i hate the suns. i hate steve nash. i hate their ex coach who bailed out to new york, because he couldn’t beat the lakers when it mattered the most. now look who’s going to deliver the title…not you, you arrogant punk!
guys, read this article from cbssports.com: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11845571
i started a thread on the bottom called “Doyel, Doyel, Doyel, idiot, idiot, idiot”
like, read this article though. Unbelievable. He’s a LBJ fan by the way.
wow
He’s “almost” as bad as Bill Simmons…. well, maybe worse, because Simmons atleast gives the Lakers respect from time to time. He just inserts a sarcastic remark to remind us that he hates the Lakers.
Probably mad he had to erase his story that was all made already
Making Kobe the goat of the game
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Not nearly as bad as Simmons
I don’t mind Simmons because he makes it clear he’s a Celtics fan and as a result, hates the Lakers and all things Lakers. He acknowledges his bias and admits that it skews his view.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
REPLAY TIME!!
Shortned replay of Game 4 now on ESPN. It is shortened at times, with extended commercial breaks (you thought the breaks were bad when the game was live…)
But the skipping ahead in the action isn’t as bad as the game gets later. I imagine it will show most of the 4th quarter and the entire OT period.
hmm
interesting. made me a liar. first, it started after halftime.. and second, seems like it isn’t going to skip ahead. nice, because I missed the entire OT because of my dogs.
THOUGH A HARDCORE LAKER FAN, ORLANDO HAS DONE NOTHING WORTHY OF MY ANIMOSITY, SO I CANT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DO IT…YOU HAVE TO HAND TO THE LAKERS..THEY WANT THIS TITLE BADDDDDDD…AND THEY ARE PLAYING LIKE IT…VICTORY IS SO CLOSE THEY CAN SEE IT..THE BLACK MAMBA CAN TASTE IT…ALL LAKER FANS PRAY THEY GET IT..AND IM JUST FOLLOWING SUIT…
by tha 1st laker princess on Jun 12, 2009 12:58 AM PDT reply actions
Entertaining series
This is a good series and I am enjoying it a lot. Not just because I’ve been a life long Laker fan since I was a kid (‘66) but because the Magic have given the Lakers fits. If not for a couple of bad breaks and botched plays, the series could easily be tied at 2 apiece. They are a worthy opponent for sure. But, the Lakers were amazing tonight. Everyone saw the game, so I won’t go into details. Like I tell my Laker hater friends, the Lakers win championships because they are committed to a winning tradition. It’s not by luck or accident that they’ve got 14 titles, going on fifteen.
I know my Laker hater friends will point out the elbow to Nelson’s jaw delivered by Kobe and Kobe’s take down of Dwight late in the game. But, both were handled correctly. Fpr every foul or violation they will point out that favored L.A., I’ll be able to point out one in favor of the home team. Maybe more than one per. As for the conspiracy theorists who believe that the NBA tried to fix it so that we’d have a Kobe-LeBron Finals, the disparity in free throw attempts in the fourth quarter and overtime may actually point to a secret plan by Stern to fix the playoffs in favor of…..Orlando!
is fisher under contract for next season? i wonder if he’s going to call it quits.i think kobe still needs him; the lakers still need him. i would prefer he comes off the bench, but that means that we would have to acquire another starting-caliber pg….i’ve been longing for a star pg since magic johnson left. van exel was good, and i liked him a lot. but he never lived up to the expectations that were placed on him after his second season with the lakers. i wanted jason kidd when he was in his prime. i hope we get a playmaker at the pg. it’s time that showtime be reborn.
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