Credits 5/7/09
by wondahbap on May 7, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
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Order was restored last night and our Lakers did what we're used to seeing. We came out on fire, let up in the 2nd quarter and gave up a lead, came out hot again in the 3rd, and put the game away in the 4th. But there was something else that happened that we've seen this year; The Lakers won another chippy and/or intense game. Our own FryringDutchman recap's the game.
Of course, all the talk will revolve around all of the technical fouls, Fish's flagrant foul on Luis Scola, Kobe's elbow , and the return of Ron Ron. (By the way, Artest was spectacular last night. He made shot after shot and kept his team there until Crazy Pills showed up. Who knew he might actually be able to carry a team?)
Was it a little dirty? Probably.
Will he be suspended? Most likely.
Did it help? Yes.
We talked tough. We played tough; "That giant smack you heard Wednesday from the corner of 11th and Figueroa? The Lakers, punching back." We asked for it, we got it.
Click on through for the rest ..
Sometimes statements are made with fouls like that, and it was a statement made by the Lakers that the Rockets (nor any other team) will not beat us by trying to be "tougher," or "physical." Was this any different from Chris Webber's flattening of John Stockton on a screen in 1999? A screen he was praised for, to let the Jazz know they were ready to scrap. Well, the Lakers are ready. Especially after coming out flat in Game 1.
Houston fans claim they are the tougher team. But when the Lakers get tough, they cry foul. Which one is it? Are you as tough as you think? If you are, then you have nothing to worry about. Right? It should work in your favor. Here's timbo's "View from Houston" This fight is far from over. See you in Houston.
Is it a "newfound" toughness? I think inconsistent is a better word.
"He can't guard me!!!" We heard a lot of that from Kobe last night.
Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer has some valid points about the game. "I've just seen the Triangle in too many games to think that the Lakers were "on the right track." They weren't. Kobe was on the right track, nailing impossible shot after impossible shot......The soap opera shoves and whining, I've little interest in. Luis Scola may have flopped a bit, but Derek Fisher knew what he was doing. Get Fisher out of there, after that. Same with Artest, who can dish it but can't take it. Take a seat."
- "These were the Lakers as we haven't seen them in these playoffs. They were edgy, with an attitude, fueled by trailing a series for the first time and people questioning their championship testiness. This was the response Bryant wanted to see." - J.A. Adande
- "Seven Questions a Fisher Suspension Would Raise" - Kevin Arnovitz
- "In a series where the Rockets are clearly outmatched on a level of pure skill, there is no room for players that don't forfeit their egos at the door." - Brody Rollins on Von Wafer
Lamar gets the starting gig again, then walks to work.
Kobe makes All-Defense 1st Team again. Easily. I'm kind of surprised.
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Be serious.
Nothing Kobe did warranted suspension. That happens all of the time. Go to a Celtics blog and whine about NBA corruption or stop watching.
Cuttin' me deep there, wondah
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
by Steve Weinman on May 8, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Being Serious
David Stern said in the First round that if you throw an elbow above the shoulders, you will be suspended. And that was regarding Dwight Howard. Stern didnt say it had to be intentional, because it shouldnt have to be. Yes it happens alot, but thats not an excuse to let people get off with it. Based on principle, kobe should be suspended.
If you dont believe me, please folllow that Daily Dime link because your beloved J.A. Adande says the same thing.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
You and Thrash want Kobe suspended for one reason and one reason alone.
You will never admit it, of course, but that reason is this: It gives your team a better chance to win.
So don’t be so self-righteous, just be honest. You want him suspended because it means the best player in the series won’t be on the floor.
I agree completely.
If you throw an elbow above the head you should be suspended!
Good thing kobe hit ron in the chest. What was your point again?
I really can't believe that fans who thin their team is so tough
keep whining and crying about something so minute. A bunch of cry babies if you ask me. Are you the tough team you think you are? If so, hush up. We’ll see you in Game 3. Seriously. This is BS. Talk about Fish.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE ELBOW. It was insignificant, other than Ron going nutso.
You guys are pathetic crying for suspension because of what you think the rule is. IF you are the “naturally” tough team. Take it, shut up about it, and respond. Simple as that. Quit getting your panties in a bunch.
I’m done talking about this.
by wondahbap on May 7, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys really dont get the point do you?
I looked at the baseline angle replay, and yeah i was wrong. kobe hit ron high on the chest, it should have been a foul, it was dirty because it was intentional. Ron was playing physical, kobe played dirty. Thats the problem. Ron didnt throw an elbow to somebody’s chest. Ron didnt go MMA on shane battier in game 1 (and no im not talking about the vujacic play). The Rockets play physical, the lakers have been playing dirty. But yall dont get that because you never have played physical before. Remember the Finals last year, im sure you do, you lost because you werent physical enough for Boston. What makes you think youre physical now?? Your team is basically the same as last year. You will see for real what physical is in Houston.
Karl Barth you are wrong. I actually dont want Kobe suspended for that reason. I feel that if kobe is suspended for game 3, he would play pissed off in game 4. I know it doesnt make sense, but the more kobe plays, the better for the rockets. He will have games where he doesnt shoot like he did last night. That was freakin ridiculous. Overall i think he would have more of an impact on the series if he is suspended one game than if he plays every game. Plus i want my Rockets to beat yall with kobe so yall cant make excuses if we do win.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
I disagree
Kobe didn’t really THROW an elbow like Dwight Howard did. It wasn’t intended to cause harm or injury. It was just a reaction to what Artest was doing, which according to you, is “playing physical”. The Lakers are as capable of being physical as ANYONE else in this league seeing as how basketball, although there is contact, is by no means a physical game like hockey and football.
Dirty, physical…they’re all just words. We’ll have to wait and see like you said to see who wins the series.
The winner of the series will not determine who is more physical
Physicality helps a team, but it doesnt solely win a series. When you are boxing someone out, you dont throw elbows. You use your ass and arms to keep them benhind you. When kobe thought Ron was going to get in front of him, he threw an elbow to keep him back.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
Alright...
So what you’re preluding to here is that even if the Lakers win this series, it won’t be because they outplayed the Rockets physically, but likely were dirty. Why am I discussing with you again? I’m out.
JA Adande is not beloved to any Laker fans.
Trust me.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
by pslakerfan on May 7, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it WASN'T above the shoulder
it was clearly on the chest. go look at replays before making comments please.
Tell that
to Adam Morrison and Sasha Vujacic
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
And Kobe and Fish
But you can’t cry over physical play.
Kobe, Fish and Morrison cried over losing. That’s because they put their heart and soul into the game.
OK, you got me on Sasha.
by Gils_Keloids on May 7, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was under the impression
that people stopped crying over losing right about the time they stopped playing with GI Joe figures and stopped watching saturday morning cartoons.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Not when you put your best into something
And sacrifice parts of your life to achieve a goal.
There’s no shame in that.
by Gils_Keloids on May 7, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
There's actually
a ton of shame in that. Probably one of the most embarassing things a person could ever do.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Yeah
You better watch out. I might cheap shot one of you guys in the neck.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
My comment wasn’t basketball related, it’s just that when someone claims crying under circumstance of effort is somehow shameful, they’re clearly overcompensating and detached from reality.
I'm sorry
that weak-minded people who can’t handle losing is something I don’t agree with.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
It’s possibly to care about something and not cry about it when you lose.
But whatever you guys say. If guys agree with grown men crying about losing then that you’re prerogative.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
I could
only be so lucky.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Update from Truehoop
UPDATE: ESPN’s Chris Sheridan has seen the reverse-angle footage that doesn’t seem to be online, and writes:
On the Bryant-Artest play, the two were battling for rebounding position when Bryant struck Artest with his elbow. Artest immediately began gesturing and arguing that he had been elbowed in the neck, but replays appeared to show Bryant’s elbow striking Artest on his upper chest, just above the “R” on Artest’s Rockets jersey.
Fighing for position
does not warrant a suspension.
Laying a block on someone on a defender should.
I have nothing important to say.
And I've been loving Ron Ron lately
I love to hear this guy talk about friends getting staked in the heart with a table leg. Awesome.
I have nothing important to say.
This Jeff Miller quote is on the mark.
With the Lakers on defense, Scola approached from behind Fisher to set a screen. The Laker point guard caught a glimpse of Scola and reacted in the manner of a Philadelphia Flyer.
He loaded up and rammed his shoulder into Scola, literally launching a Rocket, Scola flying backward. Officials called a Flagrant 2 very personal foul on Fisher, meaning he could be subject to suspension.
The thought here: He should be suspended. Fisher later explained that he was simply trying to run through Scola’s pick. Just good, hard basketball.
Nonsense. Fisher’s actions were about as basketball-related as a safety blitz. If he is permitted to play without further penalty, what kind of license would that give the Rockets in terms of retaliation?
I like hockey.
Clean check, no penalty in that sport…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How the Rockets see an "elbow to the face" is mysterious... Scola did the "wounded soccer player rollaround move" and they believe everything they read and nothing they see, I guess...
That was a GORGEOUS old school hit.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Here's the video...
SHOULDER to the CHEST of Scola.
Flagrant 2 and suspension and gorgeous!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Fisher should be suspended
Rockets fans should be arguing about that not Kobe. Kobe and Artest were just fighting for a rebound and he threw an elbow. Yeah he should have gotten a foul called on him, but suspended. Naah
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
Kobe & Artest should have been double Ts for rough play rucking for rebounds. Absolutely nothing worth hysterical shrieking over...
T-ing up Ron for arguing and then tossing him for racing across the court and getting in Kobe’s face was absolutely correct.
That guy is a batshit looney.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
In basketball related talk...
Is anyone else tired of Phil getting cute with substitutions. Is there a need to play 11 guys?
I wonder what he's thinking sometimes
I’m really not a fan of not calling timeouts when the other team is on a run. Regular season, OK. But not during the playoffs. Especially, when the second team is out there.
I've noticed
and I’m tired too. Everytime he gets cute, the lead dwindles. I still think he’s trying to find a bench that works. The first time Bynum was in, he was ineffective. The second time, he played better trying to front Yao.
Those guys better be ready Game 3.
God bye good old basketball
The new stuff is getting watered down.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
I think he means that this "new" physical basketball
is replacing the “old” free flowing basketball.
Quite the opposite actually
The days of great rivalries, harder fouls, and NBA drama is leaving the league.
Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson, or John Wall. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on May 7, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how RonRon said he got in Kobe's face.........
and then he “backed off”…..LOL. Actually Joey Crawford “backed you off”.
"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley
Well said Jagz
+1
This is a really good point:
The fact that the Fakers think they have to prove they are tough just goes to show they are not.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
because our players can play tough without playing dirty
also, a final response to this “evidence” that artest was hit in the chest:
“If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected.”
It was deliberate and excessive. Perhaps kobe does not deserve a suspension, but he deserved to be ejected.
Yes, the Rockets play tough
Tough as in with all their heart. Basketball is a physical sport. Pushing and shoving happens. Elbows, punshes, and slaps arent supposed to happen. The Rockets dont throw blocks on people setting screens right after the screener got into the heads of the lakers. The Rockets dont intentionally elbow. The Rockets dont mug a guy when he stole the ball away (yeah im talkin about kobe on battier in game 1.)
I know it will never happen, but yall need to understand the difference between physical and dirty. Like real bad, because im starting to feel sorry for you intellect.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
Whoa whoa whoa!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched the video at Truehoop.
Watch Yao’s shot before all the mess.
He connects on an elbow to Gasol’s head before he shoots!
I feel like I’m watching the Zapruder film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no blood no foul
and with that i believe scola should have received the foul not fisher. ha ha. seriously though, this is a mans game, and everyone complains that the lakers aren’t physical enough and then when they show some strength, they get called dirty? im sorry but an elbow to the upper chest has artest “the toughest man in the league” crying? im seriously almost at tears in my eyes, did you see the video of him, he looked like water works were coming out right before he left the court. like his best friend had punched his mom or something. cooooommmmmeeee oooooon. and i thought this was a lakers board? whats with all the NS Houston homerism? don’t you have your own board? or are you jealous of everything the lakers have…..seriousl though, no one on this board cares about your thoughts, go cry to your own board, and we should start flagging their posts as trolls, because im tired of all the idiotic things coming from them.
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
im seriously almost at tears in my eyes
messed that line up, sorry. it was supposed to go. “seriously, he was almost in tears.”
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on May 7, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
im not trying to be mean at all, but this is out of line
don’t you have your own board? or are you jealous of everything the lakers have…..seriousl though, no one on this board cares about your thoughts, go cry to your own board, and we should start flagging their posts as trolls, because im tired of all the idiotic things coming from them
If no one cared about our thoughts then no one would respond to our thoughts.
Sorry that we wanted to share our opinions with our opponents fans. That makes the matchups more interesting and lets people feel more involved. Sorry if you dont like communication with your opponent.
Yes, we are jealous of everything the lakers have. Especially since yall have had such great success recently. Better than the Rockets, but still nothing to get jealous of.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Series Tied 1-1
is it really out of line?
have you seen the posts from most of the rocket fans in this story alone? i dont mind talking about the game, i dont mind talking about teams i hate. but there is a way to do it and a way not to do it. i know by responding to this im only perpetuating the hate that comes to this board. but most, not all, but MOST of the rocket fans have come in here complaining of a conspiracy, and saying kobe is dirty. thats not intelligent debate, or discussions, thats just trolling. there is an entire fanpost about how some rocket fan thinks kobe is a little girl because he didnt fight with artest when he ran over to him. and then like 3 or 4 rocket fans joined in….is that really adding to anything? are their fanposts on your cite complaining or belittling the rockets? i know i would never do that, cuz its dumb and juvenile. i have been on these boards for over a year, and just recently (obviously) on the lakers board. i have never seen so many trolls as there are on this board. its insane!
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on May 7, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Green-glasses view here
Absolutely agree with the decision not to suspend KB24. The play assuredly warranted a foul, but what we saw there was a lot closer to actually getting “tangled up” than anything else we’ve seen these playoffs (i.e. my beloved point guard flinging Kirk Hinrich into a scorer’s table or Howard taking a cheap shot at Dalembert behind the play).
Kobe’s no boy scout, but there’s no need to suspend him for what he did either.
-sw
The best of the 2008-09 Boston Celtics is still yet to come. Believe.
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