Lakers-Nuggets Game 5: Post-Game Thread
by Sideout11 on May 25, 2009 9:30 PM PDT
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PrintMeh, I'm not worried. It wasn't a good loss because a loss rarely is, but I think it was an acceptable one. Denver had everything to lose in this game, and they showed up and took care of business. For the Lakers, they were tired and it showed. This is not an excuse, it is reality, and after a hard fought Game 3, it is a reality that I think everyone saw coming. Phil knew it too, which is why he let the bench do most of the work in the fourth.
I knew that the Lakers were going to lose when I saw that they weren't rebounding, but again, I think that it was partially due to fatigue. The Lakers have consistently outrebounded their opponent, so for them to lose the battle by 18, there is obviously something going on. Also, and this is just me venting, you cannot win a game when Anthony gets a whistle everytime he is bodied, but Kobe is pushed, pulled, tripped, slapped, and hacked on a consistant basis with little to show (seriously, Dahntay Jones needs to be suspended for a game). Phil made his thoughts on the fouls very clear with that awesome delay of game, and now he is going off on some reporter in he press conference about the way the game was called-lol.
So for those of you who want to worry, you can, because the Lakers did not look good tonight and the series is now tied. But as for me, I resigned that we were going to lose by halftime, so for me it's all about Game 5 at this point.
Here's the box score and recap.
Go Purple & Gold!
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You know the Krubel-Moss model for death?
The one that has 5 stages of moods when you’re dying? I’m currently in stage 3: Bargaining.
how confident are you in the Cavs?
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
It's not yet hopeless
If they win game 5, everything is back to normal and it becomes a 3 game series with two games in Cleveland. If the Magic go up 3-1…I’ll enter stage 4: Depression.
do you think they will win game 4?
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
They didn't do too bad in game 3
Mo Williams will have to play better, the Cavs need to get the ball into the paint instead of taking jumpers, and they can’t rack up as many fouls. And their defense wasn’t too bad in game 3, but the Magic still hit way too many jumpers. It’s not fair.
the Magic didn’t shoot THAT well. They were under 45%.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
they hit a fluky amount of three pointes… but Turkoglu was pretty bad. I think it’s more a matter of Cleveland stepping up than Orlando regressing.
Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."
I said this in the Quarter 4 thread and I’ll say it again.
Maybe we shouldn’t resign Lamar. We can’t replace his potential, but we can replace his production….
Maybe we should just wack Bynum on the knee again
because that seems to be the only thing that he responds to
Tired or not...
Certain players (cough cough the Bench) have to step up, and at least show some team coherency. The bench goes out there and looks like they’re beat already. Odom gives the team nothing at this point. Bynum is nowhere near an answer, and he is bringing in more production in less minutes than Odom is.
Well, we're waiting....
Bynum seemed to have a pretty productive game
just in a losing effort. But Odom is back in his shell, Vujacic is a lost cause, and 0 points from Walton is right around his average (too bad Ariza got in foul trouble)
Is it good or bad that I really was thinking the Lakers were going to win going into the 4th?
Who knows.
One question I have: I don’t get why Phil kept Kobe in at the beginning of the 4th, then pulled him, and finally brought him back in with 7 min or so left.
About Lamar, I do think that Denver is genuinely a funky matchup for him. KMart, Anderson, etc. are long and quick, just like him. If we are able to pull this out and advance and play Cleveland, I have to think he’ll show up, and I would even start him over Andrew. Against Orlando, they start Hedo at the #4 I believe, so that is a funky matchup for him again.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
The game was getting out of hand
and it was not worth it to have Kobe try to drain himself by trying to do all of the scoring. If the bench did not get the score back within 10, then we would not have seen Kobe back in the game. I’m totally okay with Phil doing that tonight, because the Lakers were thoroughly outmatched
Ok good points
I guess my question is why didn’t he just not have him start the 4th, and then be able to bring him back maybe with 9 minutes to play. Splitting hairs really.
Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.
That’s a lot to ask for. They haven’t shown any signs to suggest that they will besides probably Pau.
please scratch Vujacic from that list. The time it would take for him to get his shot back is not worth the trouble at this point
Vujacic without his shot...
Is just another horrible basketball player. I mean, he can be flat out bad.
Well, we're waiting....
Absolutely
Just another example of a “contract year” in sports. Can’t believe how much that guy will make over the next three seasons. I heard a stat on tv tonight he’s shooting something like 15% from the field. Wow.
by McNown to Farmer on May 25, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
love the screename
UCLA 98!!!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
All of them?
I’d be thrilled if two of those players showed up in Game 5. If all of those players show up, the Lakers win by 25.
by McNown to Farmer on May 25, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If they ALL show up on Wednesday
I’ll wear purple and gold on Thursday.
The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected
I like how the Lakers just lost by 19
and yet the entire post-game crew was picking the Lakers to win the series. Not that I listen to those bloviators anyways
The Lakers have proven they can win in Denver
And they’ve regain home field advantage. You’ve got nothing to lose picking the Lakers to win right now.
And two games in a row the whole ESPN crew
picked the Nuggets to win games 3 & 4.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers and Nuggets tied 2-2
Does the ESPN crew get replaced every year
By people who are watching the playoffs for the first time?
by WaveOcean on May 25, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seems so.
Other than Magic there during pregame, halftime, and postgame, I really don’t pay attention to the other three.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers and Nuggets tied 2-2
Here's where it's at
I thought the Lakers had their work cut out for them to get a split, and they got the split.
3 Game series, Lakers home-court advantage.
Let’s play ball!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
the lakers need to get off to a good start in game 5 and not let up.
and the damn crowd needs to cheer. theyre too damn quiet, sometimes i think staples is a neutral court
no energy from them at all.
It's the celebrities...they expect to be entertained
they don’t have as much of a personal stake and so they don’t help enough
The home crowd is the least of the Lakers worries
If the Lakers don’t respond in Game 5, it will be the first time all season they didn’t come through with their backs against the wall. So, they could lose … but I doubt it.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seem him shoot this badly in consecutive games for some time.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers and Nuggets tied 2-2
Thats why its time to change up make Fisher sit but I don't know anymore about Phil
But the notice has been issued lets see if Lakers respond to this lose
Consecutive games?
Try consecutive months for Fisher. And in the playoffs he hasn’t shown the foot speed on defense that he used to have. As much as I respect Fish for all he’s done, I think the Lakers are better with Brown or Farmar in there. Not much better, but better.
by McNown to Farmer on May 25, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
More free throws for a team then there are minutes of a game. I dont know about you guys but I want to see athletes actually COMPETE and watch a basketball game not a free throw shooting contest.
Didn’t the Magic shoot 52 free throws in Game 3.
The refs are too whistle happy, every bump is a foul.
But it's still a freakin' job...
And the guys who are thanking them are the Bookies.
Well, we're waiting....
A job that pays a lot of money.....way too much
The bottom line is referees don’t make enough money either. NBA refs roughly earn between $100,000 and $300,000 a year.
This is from an article I found about NBA referees’ salaries. The link: http://www.cnbc.com/id/19876494/
A friend of mine told me that refs make this much so I decided to check it out because the amount sounded way too much. Now for refs making this much they better be getting the calls right, especially the obvious ones. I mean, I for one don’t think they have earned anywhere near that for the way they have called the postseason and the rash of flagrant and technicals that have been handed out.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers and Nuggets tied 2-2
Yeah, I was shocked too.
I mean that is more that some people who own their own company.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
Lakers and Nuggets tied 2-2
I could live with that kind of scratch.
I might need a different job soon. Maybe I should check into it. I don’t think I’d do worse.
It's more difficult than it looks
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 26, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If I were a ref
Everything that I enforce in a game would be the absolute truth and anyone who criticized me would be hit with either a technical foul or a fine of thousands of dollars.
The Lakers didn't lose because of the officiating
They lost because they couldn’t fool themselves into thinking they were down 1-2, instead of up 2-1.
It’s natural. They had a goal, and that was a split. And it was an admirable one, as Denver is a very good team, and they had won 16 in a row there.
They thought of getting this game as a “bonus”. And you’re not gonna get the “bonus” if you think of it that way.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
The officiating didn't help...
Especially since they had a disparity of calls against them. Look, I’m not one to blame a loss on Refs, and the Lakers lost this game because as a team they suck ass, but the officiating was horrid.
Well, we're waiting....
http://cbs2.com/video/?id=103887@kcbs.dayport.com
Starting at 4:35 Phil rips on the refs.
Phil also says Luke got a technical for complaining to the referees about Nene elbowing him in the neck. Then afterwards he (Luke) got called for a tech he got 3 consecutive fouls called on him.
He also said that the calls were too inconsistent and took away the players aggressiveness because they didn’t know what was a foul and what wasn’t.
Direct quote from Phil about the refs:
"Basketball is a game where the aggressor gets the advantage. And tonight we didn’t know what a foul was and what wasn’t a foul," Jackson complained. "Start of the game, we got guys knocked around going to the basket, they said, ‘We’re going to get those things go.’ By the end of the ballgame little fouls were being called all over the place."
Who was that idiot reporter anyways?
I hate when they try to come back and paraphrase hoping the interviewee will say “yes” or “no”. Phil talked for a minute, and the guy wanted to boil it down to 2 seconds. C’mon.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it was TJ Simers.. It probably is him, hes the guy that asked Phil in the post game if he was embarrassed during the Rockets series, which lead to Phil dropping the F bomb
TJ Simers...
Isn’t helping the LA Times cause from going into bankruptcy with his lazy writing.
Well, we're waiting....
I can’t stand him, he asks the most moronic questions just to evoke some emotion. Then when he reiterates Phil (or others) responses they are totally off base of what he was trying to say.
He is to the Lakers...
as Tim Kawakami is to the 49ers in the Bay Area. But I like Kawakami, just because he gets under the York’s skin.
God Bless Bill Murray. I haven’t found a real reason to read the LA Times since he passed away.
Well, we're waiting....
Awesome back and forth as Phil explained the whole aggressiveness thing
Phil: … That’s not what we wanted to play, that’s not how we wanted to play, and that’s not what we wanted to do in the game. So, so what happens …[Reporter begins to interrupt Phil] … now, just, just be quiet, while you’re standing there, you asked me a question and I’ll give you the answer, alright? … So as the momentum changes in a ball game like that, and, you know, the refereeing becomes like that, you know, where you’re always on your heels, and guys are in foul trouble, then you are not the aggressor anymore, then you’re the guy that’s defensively playing the game, and that’s what I don’t like.
Reporter: OK, now hold on now, so are you -
Phil: You want a second question? You guys – this guy can have a second question out here?
Reporter: So are you saying it’s the referees, and not your team’s inability to compete all the time?
Phil pauses.
Phil: No, I don’t think I said that, I think you’re trying to put words in my mouth, and I’m not gonna let you do that.
Reporter: Well you can – you’re a big guy, you can speak your own words.
Phil: I did. You’re just trying to convert them into your own words. Just leave ’em be my words alright?
Phil smirks.
Phil wins! Don’t try to get in a verbal war will Phil, he will kill you.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
Watching now
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers have never controlled a game this series.
Wins aside, 4th quarters aside, and a quick start to game 2… the Lakers have never been in control of a game this series.
This game was horrible, bad calls, refs, etc aside. The Lakers need to get fired up, need to play that team ball that we saw in the beginning of the season. I mean, it’s just clear out and “Kobe” time whenever things go wrong. They need to look for another option.
At this point, I’m all for putting in DJ and Powell before Odom, Sasha, and Luke. Let them run wild and put their bodies into the mix!
Smith sat at the post-game podium with his baby daughter, seemingly at ease with his performance, even when asked how he would feel if an opponent was showboating on him.
“I would be upset,” Smith said. "I’m not going to lie. I would be upset if somebody is out there tearing us up and hitting threes and showboating. But at the same time, that’s the way we play. That’s the way the Denver Nuggets play. We play with emotion. We play with Adrenaline. We’ve just got to make sure it’s positive emotion
I'm good with that...
I don’t have a problem with that statement at all. Besides, nobody is more smug than Phil Jackson, who rubs other coaches noses in crap, and his former Championship teams showed a lot of moxie, swagger, and Jordan talked a lot of trash too.
Well, we're waiting....
KMart about Dahntay Jones being called a dirty player "Tay you a dirty player now welcome it’s an elite club … "
Dahntay on his trip of Kobe “don’t remember the play exactly, we out there competing and things happen”
Dodgers Matt Kemp, Orlando Hudson and Cory Wade sitting behind Laker bench. How did Matt Kemp, OHudson and Wade get great seats behind Laker bench? Helps to have a friend named Odom. Joe Torre & staff also at game.
They used up all of LA's offense today
left none for the Lakers
by Sideout11 on May 25, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And some numbers from Lakers.com
3
Fourth quarter technicals called on the Nuggets (J.R. Smith, Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin drew one each). Also the number of days it rained in Denver during L.A.’s stay.
6
Turnovers for the Nuggets, which helped keep the Lakers to just five fastbreak points.
18
Denver’s advantage in the paint, from where it outscored the Lakers 52-34.
20
Offensive boards from the Nuggets, to just nine from the Lakers. This stat as much as any showed Denver’s energy level.
31
Three-pointers attempted by the Lakers, who converted on nine (29 percent).
42
Bench points for the Nuggets, compared to 22 for L.A.
49
Free throws taken by the Nuggets, including 31 in the second half. L.A. attempted 35 from the charity stripe.
547
Times Denver’s Detroit-style PA announcer annoyed the band of Lakers fans who made the trip from Los Angeles. Swiping the "Chauncey Buh Buh Buh Billups" line from the Pistons probably wasn’t a California favorite.
Have to love the last one
lakers
just need to stop complaining
and play their game
i swear crying over fouls is wasting half of their energy
oh and STOP playing luke
I don't see any of the Lakers complaining
Just Phil.
No one else said anything to the media.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 25, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point we have a lot of guys that need to stop being played.. but then we’d have Kobe and Pau on the court for 48 minutes without anyone else. At this point everyone deserves to be on the bench for their production besides the two.
We’re getting no production out of guys.
Plaschke wrong again
This doesn’t count, of course, the most flagrant foul of the night, the one that wasn’t called, when Dahntay Jones purposely tripped Bryant and sent him skidding across the lane.
Bryant hollered, but nobody listened. Jones shrugged, but none of Bryant’s teammates retaliated.
If you go back and watch the possession after that, Ariza give Jones a nice chop to the chest as Jones crosses the key. That’s how you do it, without getting suspended.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
More proof Simers is an idiot..
Just for kicks, though, I thought I’d put a little heat on Jackson before the game — not realizing I’d be doing the same after the game — in the hopes he might not let the Lakers roll over as they did in Houston.
" Joe Torre is going to be here tonight," I said. “Will you try to impress him?”
The Dodgers have four more wins than any other team in baseball right now, so I thought mentioning Torre’s name might get Jackson’s competitive juices flowing.
But instead, Jackson said, “Only you. That’s the only person I try to impress, and Jeanie.”
Jeanie was mentioned only as an afterthought because he probably remembered he was going home after the game, but as I told Jackson, “Look how far we’ve come together.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-lakers26-2009may26,0,3949478.column?page=1
I don't live in LA so maybe I'm missing something.
But why would Simers think Phil gives a rat’s ass if Torre’s in the crowd or not. Phil’s one of the few coaches/managers that has more rings than Torre. I would hope Phil would be more worried about the game than who’s in the stands.
The thing I never think about watching Vujacic..
Is Balance.
Lots of speed. No freakin’ clue of fundamentals.
Well, we're waiting....
All he’s good for is shooting and since he can’t even make wide open shots he’s useless on the court.
He can stay with his man on defense
But I think we’re all tired of the Lakers being in the penalty three minutes into the fourth quarter because of his dumb fouls.
IF...
…and it’s a BIG if, Sasha ever does get his shot back ;LA will steamroll thought these playoffs…
I’m not holding my breath though.
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