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Post Game Thread Lakers vs. Nuggets Game 2

I'm so furious that my furniture is not safe.  I'm having difficulty typing this because I'm shaking.  My wife is ready to leave the apartment because I think she's a little afraid.  I'm clearly incapable of objectionable analysis.  So we're going to stick to cold, hard facts right now. 

This was pretty much the exact opposite of Game 1.  The Lakers jump out to the fast start, aided by friendly whistles.  The Denver bench provided the spark, and the Lakers pulled one of their moments at the end of the first half, allowing a 12-2 run and losing all momentum.  2nd half was hard fought, and the final quarter was defined by missed Laker free throws and referees playing a PROMINENT role in the final outcome.  Neither side of the coin can argue with that statement.  I'm sure you know my opinions on the matter.

Here's your box and your recap isn't even available yet.  Spit venom all night.  I know I will be.

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Why didn’t the bigs set any screens so Kobe could get the ball in that last possession..

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Kobe was the decoy and probably 2nd option?

Inbound pass happened very quick and seemed to be set up perfectly for Fish, and he might damn well have that shot if not for a great closeout by Nene.

Nick Adenhart - 1986 - 2009 R.I.P.

by swiss mcgee on May 21, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they actually drew up the play for Fisher.

It’s not like he doesn’t have a history of these types of situations, and he got a cleaner look than Kobe would have.

by C.A. Clark on May 21, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hilario closed out really well, or whoever it was

But Derek Fisher 1-9 FG.

I love his leadership, but dude is killing me.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s killing me with his poor shot selction (namely the PUJIT) and all the dribbling.. I want to see more Shannon and Farmar because Fisher hasn’t been giving us much

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Denver must win one of the next two games, or they are out of the series.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, basically, either team cannot lose both games

So it’s not saying much. Especially because the Lakers are the best road team in the NBA.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

We better play better in Denver than Houston

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

Lakers and Nuggets tied 1-1

by weazel on May 21, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give the Nuggets some credit

They can play with you guys in Staples Center. It’s going to be tougher for you to win in the Pepsi Center.

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you know that it will be tougher for us to win in the Pepsi Center when we’re yet to play there….

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

One word

Altitude.

The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected

by free7694 on May 21, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats why they play the games

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+10,000

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Altitude is overrated

They’ve done studies that show that at this level, it’s really not a factor

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about attitude?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Much more important

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

One word

Best road team in the NBA.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's six words

And it’s been 2 1/2 months since the Nuggets lost at home.

The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected

by free7694 on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we were known as the streak busters in the regular season.

Since Pau’s arrived we have never lost 3 games in a row. After Monday one of these stats won’t hold true.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The teams split at Pepsi this year

And the Lakers beat a Nuggets team that still had Iverson. So these two teams have really only met once at Pepsi Center. Here’s the box from that game.

The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected

by free7694 on May 21, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Nuggets had lost 11 consecutive playoff games to the Lakers before today. The stats dont really matter they just give us some insight on what may or may not take place.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The game that the Nuggets beat the Lakers at in Pepsi Center was the second game of a back to back and the players had flown in at 3am…

You can use any statistic to show why one explanation essentially doesn’t matter and the rebuttal does, but statistics can be rearranged to support any argument really.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. They have met once at the Pepsi Center

So … what does that tell me?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

who cares about the regular season, the magic have been the best road team in the playoffs, so get over yourself

by ohc on May 22, 2009 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I give the Nuggets all the credit

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think it’s possible?

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are creeping me out

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible

But fact is, the Lakers were a better road team than the Nuggets this season.

Yeah, yeah, it’s the playoffs, but 82 games is a meaningful sample size.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't care if it's possible...

At this point, it’s just a silly and unreasonable thing to say

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means

The Nuggets are better in Pepsi than the Lakers are in Staples.

The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected

by free7694 on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What made you come to that conclusion?

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best road record, second best home record

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, hell, at this rate I could just throw out there the idea that Orlando is the better home team

But I’d just be saying silly things, making completely baseless and random claims

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could, but you don't!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because it wouldn't actually make any SENSE

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

THEY ARE

THEY’VE KILLED THE CAVS IN ORLANDO

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Nuggets have a completely different gear at home

They were garbage for the first 18-20 minutes of this game. The Lakers should be concerned.

The 2009 Colorado Rockies: Expect the Unexpected

by free7694 on May 21, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still like the Lakers chances

And the Lakers should be concerned every game. As should the Magic, as should the Cavs, as should the Nuggets …

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We haven’t lost 3 games in a row since we acquired Pau. No way we lose 3 in a row in a playoff series no less. right… RIGHT?!

Why didn’t Bynum get more burn in the 4th quarter he only had ONE foul…

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions  

From a neutral standpoint, I seriously thought the Nuggets had no answer for Kobe as the first minutes tonight also seemed to confirm. Melo was likely the best one, but he is usually better at defending the 3/4 guys than a super-quick 2/3. And Melo needing almost 1 shot per point isn’t stellar. “Unguardable” like he claimed isn’t exactly the right word for his performance there.

Blazers killed the Nuggets 104 – 76 in the last regular season game (and no, their good players played until 4 minutes before the end), and I was expecting similar things from the Lakers now.

by Norsktroll on May 21, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Lakers flash brilliance (first 18 minutes tonight) and then then go to sleep or fall apart or whatever you want to call it...

I will say this though: Denver NOW is a lot better than Denver was in the last Blazer game. Carmello has taken it to Superstar gear for the first time in his life… They are downright scary at the moment…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carmelo looks great

That shooting stroke is so smooth.

He still has a little bit of trouble finishing over bigs, but it’s not a big deal when he can wet jumpers without touching rim.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

not surprised at all...

im not surprised by the outcome…
this is what the lakers get for playing inconsistent up and down basketball the whole season
they had the same bad habits at the start of the season…this is what they get…
now i gotta hear all this trash talkin from the nugget fans for the next few days…it sucks
and kobe should have gotten the ball way more in the 4th quarter…his teammates were turning the ball over like mad. im not giving up on them at all. but i admit they only brought this upon themselves

by shaqfor3 on May 21, 2009 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeap, Kobe didn’t get enough touches in the 4th. Lots of dribbling by everyone else to win down the shot clock…

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Win as a team, Lose as a team

The Lakers will come out and fight hard, don’t worry about Game 3. I don’t know the result, but if Denver doesn’t bring it, they’re in for a long night. If they do, it’s gonna be another fun, close game!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, other people were gloating to you?

That’s not cool.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see much gloating

I saw a lot of people essentially saying that the Cavs, and the media who had written them into the championship, got a reality check. That’s really all anyone said.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were, and still are, valid points.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But I knew before the game started that the Cavs were in trouble. They don’t match up well against Orlando. Home field advantage for us has never been more important. Nobody seems to realize this.

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Cavs got Game 2

Don’t you?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stop it!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

You dont give your team enough credit they can win game 2

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

They can

But until we win a game in Orlando, we’re on the ropes like never before.

Maybe I’m just not used to this situation. Ever since the Cavs were making the playoffs, they always either had home field advantage and went up 2-0, or they started a series on the road. I’ve never seen them down 0-1 at home before.

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's all we've been saying

The MSM has been treating Orlando like another one of Cleveland’s victims. Several of us have taken a look and said, “Woah, Orlando cause major matchup nightmares. They’ve played the Cavs really well so far. Let’s not write them off yet.” That’s all we’ve been saying, and ironically, it’s what everyone realized last night.

No one’s saying Cleveland is somehow the underdog now. We’re just saying, see, now we’re back to reality.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phil Jackson: “I thought Fish took some tough shots out there”

You think?!

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

hehehehehe, love Philly

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

When is Phil going to listen to my advice and put Lamar on Melo?

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Denver sure is getting a lot of credit for being unbeatable at home

I’m really completely perplexed as to where it comes from. The Lakers have the best road record, they haven’t failed yet to win one on the road, so how does Denver all the sudden become unbeatable on the road?

Meanwhile, everyone is overlooking the fact that every time the Lakers have lost, they have come out and DOMINATED. Does that not count for anything?

Let’s give credit where it’s due, people. Reasonable, semi-objective analysis can’t possibly expect the Lakers to lose 3 in a row. It can’t possibly act like the Lakers are somehow going to be less capable of winning in Denver than Denver is of winning in LA.

And when the Lakers win in Denver, it will essentially be a trade off. As though they’d won this one, and Denver had won the one the Lakers (will have) won at Pepsi Center. And we’ll be back in control of the series again.

Seriously… where in the world does this idea that the Lakers can’t win in Denver come from?? Let’s not overreact, people.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it only came from "free7694"

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And WaveOcean, and a couple others

It’s partially because of the Lakers’ bi-polar-ness this postseason, but a lot of us Lakers fans have gotten to where we overreact after every game. We’ve become as bi-polar as they are.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I came off that way

I was trying to say something more along the lines of “the lakers can lose in Denver”.

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

Well, say that, and we’ll agree. No one is saying they’re shoe-ins to take both games. We’re just saying we’re at least as capable at winning in Denver as they are at winning in LA, if not more.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Lakers are 9-5 in the 2nd Season. They are, by my count, 2-3 on the road...
The Lakers have the best road record,

It is time to erase the picture of the 65-win juggernaut from the Etch-a-Sketch and look at these things realistically. We are talking about a very mortal team that needs to go a hard place and win 1/3.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No account for SOS?

Strength of schedule matters.

No one thought Utah would be a tough opponent. Guess what, they fought harder and played better than anyone expected.

Houston was TOUGH. When Yao went down, everyone thought the Rockets were done, a walk in the park. I think it’s time to dispell the myth that Houston sans Yao should have been easy and the Lakers just choked it. The fact of the matter is, they played hard, they played well, and they were still VERY good. In some ways, they were better. They were able to do things wtihout Yao that they hadn’t been able to do before.

Now we get Denver.

Who has Denver had? Hornets and Mavs. Who has Cleveland had? Pistons and Hawks. Let’s not pretend that this has everything to do with the Lakers sucking and nothing to do with them facing tougher competition.

What, you want them to sweep on the road? You want them to make it look easy? This is the playoffs! That’s not how it works. Winning on the road AT ALL is good.

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by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We just need one road win, the Lakers have shown they’re capable of doing that.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

They are absolutely capable of it. Now the onus is on them to do it...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one ever said winning a championship was easy

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah makes no sense, there were some mismatches out there that changed from gm 1. i know if ariza was slightly hurt after the fall of that one play so that might of kept him on the bench a bit longer but there is no excuse not to play bynum after his excellent performance in the first quarter controlling the paint. i was wondering where he was in the second half…he was the key, imo.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Switch gears

How much does Kobe wish he hadn’t turned his back on Billups now, knowing that the margin of losing was 3 points?

They will be playing that on an endless loop on Sportscenter.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

and I bet Pau wants those 3 missed free throws back.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe's was more embarassing

But yeah, I will never feel comfortable with Pau at the line, tie game, less than 3 minutes to go. He becomes a different, worse free throw shooter.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Norsktroll told me that and I thought he was a lunatic. Pau has GREAT touch, I thought....

The fact is — he’s a choker.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And what was up with Pau passing up a wide open 10 footer near the end of the game?

“He don’t want it”, in pickup game talk

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers outscore Nuggets 36-18 in the first half keyed by Bynum, are outscored 20-16 in the second with ’Drew on the bench.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

alot of points in the second half where due to nugget drives and getting in the paint primarily with billups of the screen and roll and melo. if bynum were in there like in the 1st qtr, this would not have happened.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Next game Lakers must

Trust Bynum to stay in the game and trust that he will help us
Play Shannon more, sit Fisher and Vujacic
Kobe must continue attacking
Bynum and Gasol also
We lost because of Kleiza and second chance points by Denver
Lakers must win game 3

by BrittneyM on May 21, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

And play Farmar when Anthony Carter is in the game

He lit Carter up

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

i mean like someone said he only had 1 foul rite? he produced offensively and defensively when he was in the game, yet he gets little minutes, wtf phil?

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions  

And Lamar / Gasol didn’t give us that much in the 4th quarter. One of them could have been easily replaced so Bynum could come in.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

kleiza was getting points because bynum wasnt in the game to defend the paint, so the nuggets could spread their offense more and closeouts too late, if i recall correctly. i think kleiza hit his points when bynum was on the bench, which was qtrs 2-4.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes but I hope Phil see this as well

We are sitting here watching the game, Phil must leave Bynum in and trust that Bynum can help them

by BrittneyM on May 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

exactly, we have a monster advantage in the paint and on the boards primarily with bynum (and gasol) against the nuggets. when the lakers beat the nuggets, they had a huge advantage in rebounding, and bynum obviously contributed in that regard. just saying, it was frustrating not seeing him in the game. he should have played more than 30 min this game.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bynum played 18 minutes when he had only 1 foul. He shot 4-8 and was a +7. He didnt get more minutes why? Lamar was a dud tonight

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

So let's predict Plaschke's angle on this game

“The Lakers aren’t going to win the title.

We might as well resign ourselves to this fact.

The Nuggets came into Staples and muscled away home court advantage, like one of Vince McMahon’s WWE wrestlers.

Championship teams don’t allow that.

Just like Kobe turned his back on Chauncey Billup on the out of bounds play, I am turning my back on these Lakers."

This was a parody, Bill Plaschke did not actually write this.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, good night everyone

The best teams find a way to win on the road, and the Lakers are one of the best, AND they’ve done this before.

Though I will admit, since Denver got a split, you guys can share a bit of my frustration, and that makes me feel a lot better. Which I think draws us closer together. Isn’t that heartwarming?

by WaveOcean on May 21, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since the WWE was brought up

I heard that the WWE was scheduled to have an event there on the same day as game 3. Looks like Vince McMahon just can’t take on the NBA.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

Lakers and Nuggets tied 1-1

by weazel on May 21, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The events been moved to Staples Center.
Vince McMahon was not happy about it, but the Pepsi Center basically said that the playoffs for the Nuggets were more important than his WWE event

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally a battle Vince can't win.

Besides, this game is a lot more important that the WWE event.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

Lakers and Nuggets tied 1-1

by weazel on May 22, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

bynum, gasol, ariza, kobe, farmar/brown, and maybe odom&walton should get the most minutes this series. fisher and vujacic should get few minutes too unless they prove themselves way more consistent defensively and MAINLY offensively.

i would like to see farmar more. he is the best pg we have at creating plays and offense on the team (as he has shown so far in the playoffs) and a solid defender most of the time with brown providing a spark off the bench.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 9:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Sasha shouldnt get any minutes at all, whenever he gets the ball off a pass he shoots.

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Y'know, I've probably seen more than 50 Laker games this year at this point...

………………………… and I still don’t have the slightest fucking clue what PJ is thinking with his player rotations and substitutions…

He’s clearly got a very good idea of what he is doing, but it is alien to me… And I could watch 50 more games this year and STILL not figure him out.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

The rotation at the start of the 4th had me confused..

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect this relates to the triangle offense, whereas my brain is geared to typical PG-driven offenses...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first few minutes of the 4th that line-up was questionable.. Phil needs to tighten up the rotation ESPECIALLY in the beginning of quarters

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Here is the link for tonight's Popcorn Machine...

LINKYPOO

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

to conclude – bottom line lakers lose cause coach didn’t keep the lineup we had that allowed us the big lead at the start of the game (mainly bynum on the floor), and vujacic missing 2 open shots that would have pushed the lead to 20 or close to it.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

No, Lakers lost because they didn't execute

To steal a line from Kobe

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe loves the word execute

by intuitive on May 21, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree, but thats the problem. they were executing when bynum was in the lineup. take him out and lakers had trouble maintaining the lead much less coming back from a deficit.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

*at the end of the half to keep the momentum our way, that and kleiza hit a pair of 3s, of course with bynum on the bench so no presence in the paint leading to help defense when billups/ melo drives leading to wide open looks for kleiza destroying our lead. if we had had a 18-20 pt lead at the half, then put the starting lineup (minus fisher add farmar) into the game beg. the 3rd to extend the lead. blow the game wide open enough and break the nugget’s spirit. maybe i should be the coach, lol.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Kleiza is a Laker Killer

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The heavy use of Kleiza was the smartest thing Karl did...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha, just read your intro, Josh... I SPECIALIZE in "objectionable analysis"...
I’m clearly incapable of objectionable analysis.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Ooops, it's Mr. Dutchman's line. Still a good one!!!

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on May 21, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means objective

But yes, objectionable is your forte

16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...
Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on May 21, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ode to the Lakers

You change your mind
Like a girl changes clothes …

… Cause you’re hot then you’re cold
You’re yes then you’re no
You’re in and you’re out
You’re up and you’re down

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Either way

A true fan never stops believing in his/her team. I will never stop believing in my beloved Lakers!

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 21, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

i still believe these lakers can win this series, but you can understand the frustration with the unbelievable coaching decisions to not keep the players who are playing well in the game with more minutes…aka bynum/ farmar who helped get us the lead in the first place, and who may have possibly/ more than likely help us keep the lead and win this game. that’s all. and yes, keep down the dumb turnovers, make your free throws which is obviously key in playoff games (don’t copy your opponent from gm1, and yes even partly gm1, at least 1st half, though denver redeemed themselves and made like 18 in a row), and of course, execute down the stretch, assuming you have your best players on the floor to do so, which phil could have seen in the first half who was playing well and who was not. i understand why phil want’s to keep fisher in the game since he helped us win gm1 with great shooting in the second half, but he is way too up and down offensively, we need someone like farmar more who can score more consistently and create plays. fisher looks to drive and get blocked while farmar looks to drive and create the easy assist in the paint for the dunk. and bynum was the biggest coaching blunder i have seen. it makes sense when he is in foul trouble and not producing on either end, but he has been getting progressively better the last couple games, especially tonight. he should have been used until he got into foul trouble and that might not have happened since he only had 1 in his 18 minutes on the floor. it’s those kind of coaching decisions that make me angry, also like not taking a timeout to stop a run, regroup, and stop the bleeding in the houston series. you have to be more flexible and more alert to see what’s going on with your team, that’s all. but ultimately if the lakers win the series by stepping up their game, then pj will redeem himself again, regardless if i find some of his choices perplexing and ludicrous at the same time. we will see. lakers have proven themselves able to fight through adversity, so let’s see if they can do it again and pull out some wins on the road. 3-1 sounds nice.

by kumquatsrus on May 21, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

WTF WAS PJ THINKING

“Ok Fish, you have hit big shots before when you were 1-8. We need one more”.
Sasha should not play the rest of the playoffs. He cannot hit a shot if he isn’t spotting up. What happend to J. Farmar? Three quick assists in 5 minutes. Sits out the rest of the game. And Bynum was playing well. Don’t know why PJ hid him on the bench either.
When is PJ going to figure out that Shannon Brown or Jordon Farmar needs to start. Either one is better than Fish. They should be in the game at the end as well.
And while you are at it Coach, have Kurt Rambis, AKA. super man, teach TA how to box out. That was pittiful.
Thuggets wanted it and the Lakers or PJ gave it to them.

by jimmayyyyyy on May 21, 2009 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Forget the regular season

Lakers have not and are not a good road team at all in the playoffs

and of the four remaining teams in the playoffs,

unfortunately they are playing the worst basketball

by andrew33 on May 21, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

They've played at some of the toughest places to play in the playoffs and gotten wins there

Utah and Houston were both extremely strong at home.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 21, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rationalizations are fun

Lakers just need to win one on the road?
Yeah but who is to say they will win the rest at home?

Lakers beat tough teams to get here?
Utah was tough? Houston with no stars was tough? Please, Dallas beats either…

Admit it people you should consider yourselves lucky to be 1-1…

by Fakers Stink on May 22, 2009 12:23 AM PDT reply actions  

We are lucky to be 1-1

And so are the Nuggets.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on May 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s funny that Lakers fans are a lot more quiet over at Pickaxe and Roll all of the sudden. I wonder why that is?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on May 22, 2009 1:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Please don't associate the regulars here with trolls...

I’m sure some of our regulars are still writing over there

by hertagnism on May 22, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

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