Trying To Win With No Offense, Defense or Energy: Game 6 Post-Game Thread
It's tough to win games when we you don't have any consistent offense, can't get a stop when you need it and don't play with energy. Some were upset with the refs and maybe there were some bad calls. Frankly, it didn't affect the game nearly as much as the Lakers embarassing lack of intensity to begin the game (although Kobe's T better be overturned).
Fish still can't play defense and Phil still keeps playing him. The Lakers still go long stretches without getting the ball inside despite their obvious size advantage. They still can't bring 48 minutes of intensity in back to back games. The Lakers didn't play early on, then when they made a run to get within two, they couldn't get stops when they needed it. The Rockets scored 20 points in the final 5:58 of the third quarter.
Call it whatever you want, the Lakers just haven't shown the heart necessary to be a NBA champion, let alone beat the Rockets. Houston has been given it all they have and while that's to be expected, they deserve some credit for it because as the Lakers have proven, it's not a given. Maybe it will come and maybe this team can still raise another banner, but they have a ways to go. If you dare, here's the box score and recap.
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I'll say this
I do love game sevens!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Does the number of technicals you have restart after every series? If not (and we do get by the Rockets) Kobe’s going to have to keep his mouth shut. He already has 5.
Nope
It’s 7 for the playoffs and you’re suspended
by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 14, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Once he gets to the finals, he'll be alright
Unless he starts arguing with the refs. With the nuggets and rockets, there are plenty of players that can really provoke reactions from you. I don’t see players like that in the Cavs. Well, except maybe Ben Wallace.
Yeah, I doubt they’d give him the 7th in the Finals… But maybe that’s my cynicism regarding the NBA talking.
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It will be better for him to toe the line
We need Pau to pick up some technicals!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We need someone besides Kobe to pick up some of those T’s. It’s always him having to try and make a “statement”
I don't know...
Fisher makes a pretty solid statement…
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by TrentEdwardsHoF2018
Yeah I want to hear what Phil has to say
There was a Key moment in the game that if we had not turn the ball over and tied the game we might still be in it, that happened when Kobe turned it over and Shane got the ball, all down hill from there.
That was a strange one
He looked as if he was going to pass it into the post, but Pau wasn’t even there
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Phil pointed that moment out. That was the key moment to me, also.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I sum the game up as
No Bynum, Bad start, Fisher not making shots 1s quarter, Kobe off, Lamar off, Vujacic off on D and O, Houston great at home, Gasol’s D hurt, a complete all around bad game so atleast Lakers go home to finish this series but they do have serious Defense issue someone said it already but if we are struggling with Brooks just guess what Billups will make the Lakers D look like.
Billups and Brooks are totally different players so we’ll have to approach that situation IF we make it to the WCF.
I dunno about the rest of you guys but I’m echoing Dutchman’s sentiments. I’m hoping the Lakers will win the game 7 but my mind does not appreciate the way they play.
So the Rockets forced a game 7
Big deal! At least the Lakers haven’t choked away a game. They haven’t collapsed and lost chances to close out the series the way the Magic have. They never had a chance in game 4 and apparently they weren’t meant to win tonight.
Well… it is a big deal. Now it’s do-or-die for the Lakers. That’s never good.
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He’s a Cavs fan so I guess he CAN be nonchalant about it. That way if Houston was to win he could act pleasantly surprised.
Oh, didn’t know he was a Cavs fan. Makes more sense now.
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If Houston wins I will be disappointed
I want the Cavs to face the Lakers in the finals for three reasons
1. To be the best you have to beat the best. What better challenge than to play the team that swept you in the regular season, not to mention the team that has Kobe on it?
2. The Lakers were my favorite Western Conference team last year. They (thank god) prevented another awful WCF between SA and Utah and (thank god) prevented SA from advancing to the finals. And I rooted for them against Boston. So I respect these guys.
3. If we lose the finals, I won’t cry if it’s to the Lakers.
About your first point
If the Rockets beat the Cavs and the Nugs, wouldnt that make them the best? Especially since it would be 3 wins w/o Yao?? And the Lakers swept the Rockets in the regular season, but it was 4 games, not 2.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 14, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I Agree...
Why aren’t the Rockets considered as dominant? True, their offense is lacking, but they are definitely basketball’s equivalent of the Steelers. Hard nosed defense. They don’t need to score as much as anyone else to win. If they beat the Lakers, I believe they should be looked at as the team to beat.
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 15, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats a positive way of thinking but
COME ON, NO YAO, NO TRACY, this team is tooSHORT, LAKERS should be dunking, layups, left and right but NOOO, the LAKERS are the team getting pounded in the paint, Lakers play soft, its not even funny, the way they play against this team is bull, Lakers should blow them out every game Houston has no players to be winning by 15.
everytime
i see aaron brooks darting around in the lane and cutting through for a mostly uncontested layup, i really want one of our bigs to give him a hard clean foul and stop that crap. if you’re just standing around guarding chuck hayes in the paint (an offensive zero) what the hell else are you going to do. i’ve stopped expecting it at this point though.
Don't count the Rockets out yet?
Rockets fan here. You may just want to wait before you match up Billups and Fisher. This series isn’t over yet.
However, if you do win, I think you’ll fair much better against Billups than Brooks. The Lakers mainly struggle with Brooks’ speed. I would worry much more about who the Lakers put Kobe on when JR Smith and Mellow are in the game at the same time…IF That Happens?!
For Sunday, Worry about Brooks!
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 15, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't seem concerned about Game 7
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by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That's because Lakers are at home and they will have a better start
Therefore Phil feels Lakers will win the game but he is pathetic, his team is pathetic, I’m tried of the Lakers.
BYNUM: 0 points and 7 rebounds in 19 minutes and change...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Aaron Brooks with 26 points, Scola with 24, Landry 15, Artest 14...
That’s pretty much the prescription for offensive success for them…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I had no issue with Drew
He definitely didn’t play outstanding, but he played far better than a lot of other guys on our team. He altered some shots defensively and nobody was driving to the paint with him in the game. Along with his rebounds, he wasn’t awful. Not great, but he made a positive contribution, which is more than you could say for a few guys.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 14, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well why would we want to challenge the penetrators
that got into the paint on every possession.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
fisher and vujajcic
are liabilities on the floor at this point. they can’t hit/ airball open shots, and they have to understand that that is why they are in there. and please, fish, stop trying to use your size to back down brooks in the paints because you have that mismatch… you cannot finish around the rim — we’ve known this for years.
Well, guys, I definitely won’t miss game 7. Talk to you later.
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I can't tell who I'm more mad at...
The players (most definitely), the refs (yes, but not an excuse), or Phil Jackson (can somebody please inform him that it’s May, not March)
That lineup to start the fourth
was unbelievable. I don’t think that he would use that against the grizzlies, but here it is in game 6 of the playoffs
Down by only 9
points to start the fourth, I couldn’t believe he played with that lineup. Who the hell was expected to score? I mean, Pau was going to get double-teamed, and no one else in that lineup was hitting any shots.
by BruinFanBaby on May 15, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't even do that
For every good pass he makes to get the offense going, he holds the ball and kills 12 seconds of the shot clock.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If he was Luke Jones he wouldn't be.
The ghost of Jerry Garcia told Phil LA needed him, and Phil does NOT argue with the ghost of Jerry Garcia.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Because his daddy is famous
and that makes for good pub.
It’s all I got. Granted I’m a Rockets fan, but trust me, it’s an objective perspective.
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 15, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
So was the Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde out there?
If it’s true that a team takes on the characteristics of its leader, I think I’ve figured it out: Lamar Odom must be the leader of this team.
Forum Blue and Gold said it best, this team is up and down, and you just have to accept it.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
That is both disturbing and fascinating
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
no. why accept it? we weren’t up and down during the season. great case can be made we were the best team in the regular season. so why accept something that is new, born in the playoffs? we don’t accept failure. we fix it.
We were still up and down, the only difference was we closed out the games that we let leads go or didn’t play to our maximum effort.
It doesnt matter whether the fan accepts failure it’s the players that have to go out there and fix that attitude. So far they haven’t shown any evidence that they want to fix it.
God grant Chaucer the serenity the accept the things he cannot change
the courage to … ah, f it.
Point is, it’s not under your control to fix it.
If they do change, bonus, if they don’t, don’t say you didn’t know that’s how they were.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
and there goes phil jackson again, letting them get buried under the storm 16-1 before calling a time out to provide his team some shelter. retire dude, you aren’t driven anymore.
Start CC Sabathia at center for Game 7?
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by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I tried to respect you as a laker fan
but now you say youre a yankee fan too?? Im gonna have trouble from here on.
p.s. how does one become a laker and a yankee fan? LA has baseball and NY has basketball, so what happened to the Dodgers or Angels and Nets or Knicks?
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 14, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm a laker and yankee fan
that happens when you live in a part of the world where all they show are laker and yankee games when you were growing up.
Go Titans!
by Pinoy Titan on May 14, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What part of the world only shows laker, yankee, and titan games?
Because I would hate to grow up in that area. Mostly due to the titans, but lakers and yankees dont help.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 14, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It's called the Philippines
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
But the Titans?
Somehow hearts in Manila beat a little faster for the AFC south? Why not Houston’s actual team, then, not its former one?
Go to the light. Go to the light...
I don't get the Titans
But I’ll bet he’s a fan of Manny Pacquiao. Just a wild guess, though.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait
His username probably has nothing to do with the Tennessee Titans. If that was a joke, I apologize, please don’t “That’s the Joke” me.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I am a Tennessee Titans fan
and the way i’m feeling right now, more than a Lakers fan.
When I was beginning to get interested in football, all they show back home are Cowboys games. But I also saw the Music City Miracle, eversince I became a Titans fan.
And, of course, i’m a Manny Pacquiao fan, the P4P king.
Go Titans!
That makes sense
i didnt know you were from the Phillippines. I like Manny too, but I LOVE Floyd Mayweather.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 15, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
hey wait a minute...
why don’t you have game 5’s score listed? ;-)
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Everyone is blaming Phil
But the players are the ones playing the game. If they can’t play thru a run by the Rockets B Team, you may as well call it a year.
Yes
the players are ultimately to blame, but Phil is showing some major weaknesses (game passing him by?). If this had been a close back and fourth game, I legitimately think that he would have lost the game for us with some of the moves he made. I also think that he was single-handedly responsible for killing our comeback to start the fourth
Phil is good at making adjustments from game to game, but not as good at making adjustments during a game
Disagree
If this were the case, then he is excellent at his job after a loss and horrible after a win, but gun to my head I would say that this up and down has more to do with Kobe. The one game to game adjustment that he has needed to make is replacing Fish, but has failed to do so.
What do you mean horrible after a win? Im saying that he can make adjustments after a game (there are still adjustments to be made after a win you know that right?)
but during a game he isn’t THAT great about making adjustments. As seen from his sloppy substitutions. At time it almost looks as if he doesn’t know who to keep in or who to take out.
like charles barkley says, basketball is a game of matchups – you don’t adjust or take advantage of mismatches, you will get hammered – and that onus goes to the coach
cant make fish play better, so coach has to think, gotta put in someone who can. pretty simple and logical.
We can't take Fish out
If we did that we might hurt Aaron Brooks’ feelings.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on May 14, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He also might not wear that fabulous red suit

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by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Good points
But players have to shoot through slumps sometimes, and Farmar really wasn’t doing any better on Brooks, he was just shooting better.
i dunno about u but i saw farmar contest 3 shots of brooks and made him pass the ball a couple, while keeping him in front most of the time, but not all the time. in comparison, fish was a spectator to brooks on the court
better than fisher
who insists on leaving shooters to help with someone cutting through the lane.. leaving guys like von wafer wide open at the 3 point line.
Highly unlikely. No other team that has cap space can offer him a good chance at the ring. This team’s his best chance at ring #4.
Doesn't seem like it's fixable...
Maybe, just maybe, the Lakers aren’t that good of a team. At least in the playoffs.
Well, we're waiting....
it's highly fixable
shorten the rotation, pound the ball down low, and sit guys who aren’t producing worth jack on o and d. (looking at you fisher and vujacic)
i think bynum and gasol could have had more impact tonite if they, gasp, ran their offense like they did in game 5. i understand kobe trying to jumpstart the offense a little bit but fish has no reason chucking up 3s and committing turnovers in the opening minutes, thats not what a good pg does, plain and simple. i understand shooters have to shoot out of their slump, but do it when the offense is flowing and you get defensive stops, dont force your shot – just like he did tonite. if u cant be effectively offensively for yourself, you have to at least TRY to create plays for your teammates.
Once he realized that his shot wasn't one tonight
he needed to drive (which he finally did later) and more importantly feed it to Gasol, who only had like 3 shots in the first
no big men showed up
where the hell were gasol, bynum, and Odom??
no production offensively of defensively
landry, brooks, and scola did whatever the hell they wanted…
terrible effort from everyone
Kobe and Pau at the podium
Wearing the ugliest suits ever.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions
Kobe enjoys Game 7s, not surprised that it’s 3-3…thinks they’ll play better, that the Rockets play hard.
Pau just talks about how much they want to win Game 7, that they settled, that the Rockets played well.
Bork bork bork!
by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a reflection of the games they played tonight
I hate Kobe’s cliche answers. I would really like him to just really call everyone out including himself.
Then he’ll get bashed for not being a good teammate. He didn’t have that great of a game either. He was the only one that played with heart and intensity throughout the game though. More than you can say about Pau
Their actions will speak louder than any words on Sunday
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you aren’t. I just didn’t realize that till now. Now the Utah Jazz reference makes sense. Did you enjoy the game?
How much are playoff tickets in Houston anyway?
That's a good sign for non trollishness.
Right now, playoff tickets start around 100ish for decent upper deck seating, and go to a couple thousand (for seats that cost about 500 a game regularly). I have a season package, so the playoff seats are about 40% more I think than regular season ticket price.
They were more tonight, and less before game 4, after Yao went out.
The stadium is new and well designed, even the upper deck has a good view, I think. People razz the guys wearing (inevitably) a Kobe jersey, but that’s as bad as it gets.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
What are game 7 seats at Staples going for?
Toyota center is pretty much a textbook modern basketball arena. It’s designed to look bright clean and airy inside, and does. Never been to staples (though I did go to the forum long ago).
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Ive sat in the upper deck many times
and every seat up there is really good. I sat in the upper deck 3rd row on the baseline for Game 6 vs Portland and if i wasnt in college i would consider getting season tix in those seats.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 15, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at this game.
Kobe’s effort was solid throughout. My respect for him as a player is boundless.
Odom gave up and decided to foul out, since he couldn’t stop a 6’ guy from scoring on him underneath the basket.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
hard not to foul out
when your agility and mobility are limited by a bad back, and you get called for fouls when the opposing player drives, uses his off hand to push you away, and you instigate no contact with him.
Oh yeah, just what Kobe needs, another star center in his prime
How’d that work last time?
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by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
in case you were asleep for several years, we won three straight titles. i’d say it worked out pretty well…
Don't they already HAVE a star center in his prime now? Maybe 2? That isn't enough?
Are you saying they need to upgrade from Gasol/Bynum? Perhaps they could clone Kareem?
Go to the light. Go to the light...
No, that's a ways off. If he stays healthy, I think he's a top player in 2 years.
But these are prime years for Gasol, no doubt.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
he's tired
from the regular season and PJ using him 40+ mins a night for the second half of the year
All the Lakers big men are soft
and it rubs off on each other. Colin Cowherd was talking about this on his show today saying that when two people with similar bad habits are together it magnifies the habits. Odom is an underachiever, Gasol is a finesse european, and Bynum is lost. They dont know how to play hard every game, and when one plays poorly, it brings the rest down.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 15, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
that houston run in the beginning was a backbreaker. i have no problem with fish, he is a great role player, but they just need to understand that fish cant match brooks this series, maybe the WCF or Finals but not now. yes the big men need to step up in the paint and maybe have a little more help defense, but this matchup has allowed houston back into this series, primarily.
Game 7s are either exciting or blowouts
Usually no middle ground.
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by Avinash Kunnath on May 14, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeap… Widely depends on which Lakers come out… But when is there ever a middle ground between an exciting game and a blow out?
Is it not? If its not a blow out wouldn’t that imply its a close game…? Am I missing something here?
No no, I agree. Anything other than a blow out in a game 7 is exciting by definition.
Unless Utah is involved somehow. They can make anything suck.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Don't like is really too mild for it.
The Jazz are Satan’s fart.
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I'm totally in the dark on this one but
how bad is this Rockets-Jazz rivalry? Like, on what level is it? Is it close to Blazers-Lakers? Lakers-Celtics? Bulls-Knicks?
There's a longish history there.
Plus, if you were designing a team to beat Houston, you’d design the Jazz, so due to the way the playoffs shook out, some pretty good (if as usual injured) Rockets teams had to deal with a team that’s like poison to us. And we made first round exits. This is annoying.
Then there’s the fact that many of us simply can’t stand their style of play, their flopping (yes everyone does it, they do it more) and cheap shots, and their ahole coach. We also don’t like some of their past and present players very much. I like D Williams, and that’s close to it on that roster.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Plus, IMO the Jazz always have the refs on their side at home.
Their homecourt advantage isnt really that great, but due to their flopping and the natural homecourt ref advantage, it makes it even worse and embarrassing at times. Ive seen some truly horrible calls in SLC, not just against the Rockets.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 15, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
Born and raised Houston fan here, through and through. I know disappointment better than anyone else; Oilers, Astros, Rockets, the Comets going away, etc.
Frankly, I could care less about a lot of the other teams we play. I have a mild disdain for Dallas, respect for the Spurs, I like the Celtics (put away the pitchforks!), and kinda meh on the Lakers (it’s actually Laker fans born and raised else where that destroyed the team for me).
But my God, Utah. If there is ever a team that I want to see get hurt, it’s them. They always seem to have our number. That hit that Fisher did on Luis? Yeah, playing Utah for us is like that all the time, at least to me. With all the premeditation, but more Globe Trotter-esque vibe in the sense that no ref seems to see the plays. Sometimes I wish that we’d put in Cook into the game just to punch Boozer in the face hard enough to keep him down.
The thing that I will give Utah is that they make the Rockets into the physical team that we are because we have to to play them. Can’t stand them.
I'd need some stats to back that up
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
and thats the problem
this banged up rockets team shouldn’t be a problem, i really can’t defend the lakers anymore, losing to this team is unexcusable
We need to get better ball movement going. 11 assists on 30 makes isn’t going to cut it. Today we didn’t look for the open guy instead everyone was too trigger happy. Then the guy we needed to be “trigger happy” (Gasol) was looking to pass too much.
We need to execute our offense and the rest will (most likely) fall into place.
A lot has to do with not executing or playing great defense.
But Houston just won’t go away quietly. You have to give them credit for that.
no doubt, but when the team doesn’t play the way that they’re normally/ supposed to do, then they are beating themselves and the rockets are just capitalizing on that and playing great bball to boot.
by kumquatsrus on May 14, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have to give the Rockets
the edge over Denver in the WCF. Brooks tore Billups up in the regular season (just looked it up). Ron neutralizes mellow.
it would totally suck and i would be converted into a BOWLING fan if we don’t get to see a kobe vs james finals
lol, coulda happened. problem is jekyll didn’t murder hyde.
by kumquatsrus on May 14, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Lakers played the way we know they are capable of playing we could have swept them. Instead they go from really good to really bad. You never know what you’ll get with them. If I were a betting guy I would probably lost a lot of money trying to predict their wins and losses and by how many points.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY PLAY TH....
… ah fuck it, nobody listens to me.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Thanks intuitive
I hope the Lakers can find Andrew Bynum in game seven, I really do. He was open there a couple of times on offense, but they just weren’t looking for him.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 14, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope so too… He hasn’t had a statement game in the playoffs. It took him so long during the regular season to get his rhythm back I’m starting to question whether he’ll be able to get everything together in time.
He doesn’t look confident out there either. During the regular season that Clippers game when he blew up for something like 40 points really boosted him, and got his rhythm going. Afterwards, he had a great sequence of games before he went down for injury. At this point I think he needs a game like that to boost his confidence… Right now its all mental for him, I just wonder if there is enough time for him to get into the right mentality.
And all the guys seem to be neglecting Bynum because they dont 100% believe that he can produce on offense. All the guys need to collectively get him the ball more. It’s the only way he can get his confidence going and make him mentally stronger.
I wish they had done it during Game 5 especially with such a big lead, but in the third quarter he had to sit more because he had heel soreness :/ Which is why he didn’t get many minutes
Game 7
I would like to see a line up of Kobe, Trevor, Shannon, Gasol and Bynum, this group can get it done
home crowd will need to explode in gm7 to get these players riled up to win. guess hm court counts for sumthin, at least till cleveland, if both teams get there. by then, they should have adequate motivation to play their best in the finals. then play boston gm6 last yr to remind them of what team needs to show up to win – the team destroyed by boston in the finals last year, or the team that played to perfection and destroyed the rockets in gm4 this year. only 1 gm remains while their playoff lives hang in the balance. if they survive, i don’t know what to expect from this team the rest of the way on their journey to win a championship. all i know is it sure will be alot of drama and suspense along the way, thats for sure!
me neither I have always felt confident in this team to get it done but
slowing my confidence is dwindling, Bynum was the reason I was so confident but Lakers aren’t relying on Bynum to make plays for them and he is still working at being effective, Fisher and Vujacic are slowly becoming issues, I don’t know what to make of this team any longer and I just have to sit back and watchnow because Lakers will have to earn every next step they take.
pathetic
by the end of the third quarter, i turned off the tv and wished the lakers would lose.
the lakers did not deserve to win this game. the lack of energy they showed is nauseating. it’s too bad when you see the players in the bench all standing up cheering the guys on the floor and they perform like this.
if the lakers lose game seven, i won’t feel bad about it. they deserved it.
Go Titans!
game 7
I really do not think they are going to lose to the rockets without Yao , in a game 7 in LA. But if you met the Cavs in the playoffS they will have more energy unless they have a really hard
semi-final and the Lakers sweep Denver.
Kobe is forking over a lot of money these days. First being fined $10,000 for wearing headphones in the post game interview. Now this:
If the technical foul Kobe Bryant was just issued isn’t rescinded, he will be receiving a warning letter from the NBA because it was his fifth technical foul this postseason. A one-game suspension occurs with the seventh technical – certainly a dangerous situation if the Lakers’ season continues two more series after this – with additional one-game suspensions for every odd-number technical thereafter.
Bryant was fined $1,000 fine for each of his first two technicals and $1,500 for each of his next two. The fines go up to $2,000 for Nos. 5 and 6 and then $2,500 for No. 7 and beyond.
Referee Monty McCutchen told the official scorer that Bryant threw a forearm into Artest 2:03 before halftime, meriting technical foul. Replays didn’t show much contact, although Bryant’s left arm was obscured; Bryant appeared to complain after a timeout to Artest about his dramatic reaction to the play, running off the court, and Artest’s final words in that conversation were: "You’re right."
Bryant was in danger of a suspension toward the end of the 2007-08 regular season because of technical fouls but was able to curb his behavior and avoid it.
Next thing you know, he's selling oranges at an intersection.
Sad really.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
I’m sure thats the least of Kobe’s worries right now. Especially when you get paid 21 million this season.
I kid.
My sense of humor doesn’t translate all that well sometimes.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
Don't "that's the joke" him, pls
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm really disgusted with this team
as much as i hated the smush parker era, at least you knew what you were getting, and often there was entertainment from kobe going crazy…
this team is so talented but so little motivation.
Stephen A. Smith's tweet
At the end of the day, Kobe has NO HELP when it counts most. His boys fold like cheap tents. That means Odom, Bynum, Gasol. Everybody.
So it went from Kobe has so much talent and he should be winning all these games to Kobe has no help. No one can make up their mind.
David Friedman knew
The difference between talent and depth.
When you’re diving, you want a deep pool and long enough so you don’t have to worry about missing. After a certain length, it doesn’t matter how long the pool is. The Lakers have a long pool, but it’s only deep at the very front.
This is a confusing analogy because in this case, the talent of team is the depth of the pool, but the depth of the team is the length of the pool. Get it?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I've thought that 1-3 LA is better. 4-10(12) Houston is better.
The only LA player who responds well to pressure is Bryant. At the start of the series, I thought it might be Fisher, too. But he’s mainly looked done to me.
When the game tightened up in the 3rd on a good LA run, Odom or Gasol should have been demanding the ball, given their apparent mismatches. They weren’t that I could see.
I wonder if the message of “This is Kobe’s team.” is drilled into them so deeply they don’t try to find their game at all? That’s not a pot shot, its a legit question. Tonight I could literally see Bryant get frustrated that no one was moving to the open spot on his penetrations, or was rolling off picks set for him.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
When we’re in a tight situation everyone takes on this “stand around and hope Kobe bails them out” mentality. You saw what happened during the 4th when Kobe was on the bench and the game was still up in the air. No one wanted to take the shot… Everyone started over-passing because no ones confident enough to take the shot.
Its quite frustrating actually.
Good example
It happens when Kobe’s not even on the court, so it’s not really Kobe.
The only time I’ve really seen a Laker not named Kobe create all by himself in a half court set was a handful of possessions by Shannon Brown. Maybe Farmar once in a blue moon.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Farmar has looked fairly dangerous shooting and driving.
Brown was not prominent tonight that I saw.
It seems to me that a lot of LA,s supporting cast basically expects to shoot wide open shots, or have easy drives to the basket, owing to the space Kobe creates. When Houston is playing well, those shots and lanes close very very quickly and they can’t seem to create any offense for themselves. (As we saw in Game 5, when LA is cooking it all looks better for them.)
The odd thing about Houston’s offense is that without Yao or McGrady, its really the essential Adelman offense. You have a scoring PG, but the offense basically flows like water on the path of least resistance. You need players capable of executing it, and making their looks, but mainly you need really unselfish ball movement and play.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
And by the way, the Lakers could still win the title.
I know, the obligatory is “Not if they play like in Game x”. Well of course not, if Game X was a horsecrap game for them.
Regardless, the Lakers can still win the title.
If I were a betting man (and I’m not) I’d go to Vegas and plunk some money down if the payout got bigger for a Lakers title because of their struggles against the Rockets.
People are fickle and overreact.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Well it became a three game series
Lakers with home court. I’ll take it.
So, hold home court, everything will be fine. Just hold home court. Hold it. Please. Hold.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll be interested to see what happens when Cleveland finally faces a legit contender in the East.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
The Lakers can still win the title
But not if they play like they have been this series. They have the talent and the coach, but if they take games off, they cant win it. But they gotta get past Houston first.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets
Game 5 lakers
Game 6 95-80 Rockets
Game 7 Sunday 2:30 CST
by TexasHoosier on May 15, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Bryant was asked if his young teammates are picking up playoff basketball.
“They better,” said an unsmiling Kobe.
We’re only starting to understand how young this team is, with a rotation that includes Andrew Bynum, 21; Jordan Farmar, 22; Trevor Ariza and Shannon Brown, 23; and Sasha Vujacic, 25.
And it’s a heady, bewildering time for young players, dealing with all their riches and fame.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler-lakers14-2009may14,0,3526382.story?page=1
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/175803-phil-jackson-is-the-worst-coach-in-the-2009-playoffs
2. The players he is giving playing time to and the players who actually deserves playing time.
This is what has pissed me off about Phil Jackson the most this year. First off, Luke Walton is the most useless piece of garbage in the NBA. Why he continues to give this bonafide scrub more playing time? Who knows. And it was clear from the beginning that Derek Fisher is too old to guard a young, lightning quick Aaron Brooks. So why not start a younger and quicker Jordan Farmar?
The biggest mistake Phil has made is not giving Shannon Brown enough playing time. He is hands down the Lakers’ 2nd best player. He goes out there, shoot effeciently from the floor, plays lockdown defense, contest every jumper, hustles, etc. Basically everything that no one on the bench has done and he does it on a consistent basis. As for Bynum, I’m not even going to talk about that character. I prefer MBenga in the lineup. At least you know he isnt going to play scared and will put 100% effort.
Basically what I am saying is the Lakers are playing like a bunch of mindless pansies but it isn’t all on them. Phil Jackson’s in game decisions are also to blame. All I ask from you Phil is to wake the hell up! This isn’t the Three peat years anymore.
I ain't gonna second guess Phil Jackson
That would be like questioning John Wooden
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Too much to handle!
Seeing the Lakers loose is not as heartbreaking as knowing they could win a title and see them not give a 100% effort. I cannot get my hopes up because the pain would be too much if they don’t win a title. But I will cheer for them but I just cannot expect anything anymore. Too draining!
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions
i'll come out and say i'm a rockets fan but NOT a troll
reading all of the comments on this site, maybe you Laker fans need to think twice about this whole, “how are we losing to THIS team” mentality. Kobe doesn’t have it. Pau doesn’t have it. etc etc
the rockets, even WITHOUT 40 million in salary playing, are still a good team because our mastermind GM Daryl Morey built this team. He didn’t make the Yao and TMac purchases, his predecessor did. He did, however, grab just about everyone else. And then he hired a coach that knows how to cater to these guys’ strengths, and the team works to make up for each other’s weaknesses. need defense? hayes, battier, artest, lowry. need offense? brooks, landry, wafer, scola, artest [when he doesn’t take his crazy pills]. sure, the team would be near-unstoppable at 100%, but it’s the little things that count to this team, and they are getting it done. they have put up one stinker in the playoffs, but it happens, and it wasn’t a ‘win-or-go-home’ game.
the lakers haven’t really had everything clicking on all cylinders this postseason against a team matching them. the 40pt blowout was the rockets at their worst, kind of like game 4 for the lakers. i imagine these 2 teams will hit each other full force on sunday, sunday, sunday and it will be a game to remember. but please, don’t lament your team’s losses as if the rockets are inferior, because if they were this series wouldn’t be tied.
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
I've been getting killed at Dreamshake
For implying this.
While I certainly don’t think the Lakers are the better team, Houston is not “inferior” in the commonly used sense of the word.
“We’ve got to stay focused and understand that the effort we gave tonight is not going to be enough on Thursday. It’s just not. We’re not playing some chump team. I don’t care how many people they have out. This is a tough team, it’s a tough team full of competitors.’’ – Kobe Bryant after the Lakers beat Houston 116-76 to take a 3-2 lead in their Western Conference semifinal series.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
*While I certainly think the Lakers are the better team
Freudian slip? Crap. Gotta stop changing my sentences mid stream.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
oh and i read a comment about playoff games / tickets in houston
courtside was going for 20,000 on some websites. i went with my girlfriend to game 6, had pretty great seats (lower level corner [the one over the lakers tunnel) and they were 250 for both tickets.
theres a picture of my 125/ticket seats
Wafer . . . again. (Marv Albert, HOU v. CLE Feb 2009)
-one of the FEW at Toyota Center who has the Wafer jersey
And Finally
Win or Go home is going to actually happen.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
For some reason I just woke up now at 3am.
Maybe this awful game is keeping me awake. The Lakers should start considering this Rockets team their equals. What they lack in size, experience, or talent they make up for with heart, execution, and D. This is GAME 7. The whole season is wasted if they lose. I’m pointing out the obvious, but after this game and their postgame interviews I don’t know if they get it. The Rockets will be ready. The Lakers better be.
I sleep now.
LAKERS ARE DONE---THIS FROM A LIFE LONG LAKER FAN
The lakers should have never let go of Ronny Turiaf. Let Lamar Odom go instead. This team is way to soft and it pisses me off. Everyone is always praising LO for all his tallent. Sure when he gets his head out of his butt. Great guy and team-mate but won’t win a champion ship. Kobe needs to hurt some feelings if they are going to get to the finals. I am sure they will squeek by the Rockets but the way Denver is playing, I don’t think that they will get by them. And Cleveland would sweep us. I knew they were going to play this bad. Sasha V, tries to make Kobe-like turn arounds and always misses. Kobe took stupid shots and only played well when he attacked the basket. PG got out muscled by a 6’6" guy. They better get the premadona attitude checked real quick cause they are getting there asses handed to them by SUBS. No offence Rockets. You are playing your asses off and deserve to win.
A bit premature
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 15, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
and chicken little
said the sky was falling. he should have talked to this guy.

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