Rooting for the Lakers: My Civil War
[Ed. Note: FryingDutchman classifies this as a rant about these Lakers. I call it it the mark of a true fan, and I imagine he articulates a common sentiment among Lakers fans better than anyone else that I have seen, so far.]
I didn't watch the second half of Game 4 vs. the Rockets. I didn't need to. I saw all I needed to see through about a quarter and a half. I paused my Tivo, did some other shit for 30 minutes, made sure nothing had changed, and promptly stopped caring. Because that's exactly what this team deserves.
I love the Lakers.
I love the Lakers because it's in my blood. I love them because I was born loving them. They are like family. I don't have a choice. I loved them when Magic was winning championships. I loved them when Travis Knight was on their roster. I loved them when Jerry West brought in Shaq and Kobe. I loved them when Phil Jackson put it all together. I loved them when they brought in my most hated player of all time, Karl Malone. I loved them when they sold off Shaq and counted on Smush Parker for two years. And I love them now. I have no choice. They are like family.
But I don't like them.
This team may still win a championship. No one can argue with their talent, and if they show up in a game for 48 minutes, I don't think anybody can beat them. They will almost definitely still win this series against Houston. They will probably even win the Western Conference, despite the fact that the Nuggets look a hell of a lot better (effort will do that). Then, they'll get to the finals against a Cleveland team that has been trying its ass off all year, and who knows. I could see the Cavs sweeping that series. I could see seven games. I could see a Lakers victory in 5. There is absolutely no telling what happens, because there is no figuring out how much effort the Lakers are going to give on any given night, even in the Finals. The only thing I know is that my heart and my head will be conflicted from here on out. My heart follows my love, my heart roots for the Lakers under all circumstances.
My head? My head sees a team so talented they don't think they need to try. My head sees a team that is capable of playing a brand of basketball so beautiful, poems and epics should be devoted to it. And yet, my head sees that same team willing to throw that away because it takes effort and focus to make that happen. My head sees a team that should be at least average defensively, with good height, quickness, and athleticism. My head sees that same team play worse defense than you see in a pick up game at your local 24 hour fitness. The travesty that was game 4 sealed the deal. My mind dislikes this team. My mind will be rooting for them to lose.
If the Lakers win the championship, part of me will be disappointed. The part of me that thinks that effort and hard work are important and should be rewarded. The part of me that gets angry at how unfair the world is. Because that's exactly what it will be. If the Lakers win it all this year, it will be unfair. Unfair to the game of basketball. Unfair to all the past champions. Unfair to the Houston Rockets, who lost their 2nd best player in the regular season, and got better. Who lost their best player for the playoffs, and came out and played harder. It was bad enough when Shaq would take half the regular season getting into shape, but this? Those teams never took entire playoff games off. The Lakers today were the Detroit Pistons, a team with much of the same talent that had them go to the EC finals 5 years straight, and yet this year saw them limp into the playoffs before getting swept as a mere formality. The Lakers today were the LA Clippers, a motley assortment of players who could care less about the team. The Lakers today weren't champions, and they don't deserve to be champions.
My heart doesn't work on logic, so I'll be there in front of my TV rooting the team on like I always do for Game 5. But in the back of my mind, I'll be hoping that one of these teams comes along and finally gives these Lakers the lesson they deserve, that some group of guys dedicated to each other and to playing the game as best they can ALL THE TIME drives the point home to my team and makes them suffer for it. We all thought it would have happened last year, but it didn't. Maybe it can't happen, maybe its a lesson the team will never learn. But my mind will be hoping for a hungrier team to come and ruin the Lakers season again, because my mind does work on logic. My mind seeks justice.
Even if it costs my heart the chance to celebrate a championship.
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Awesome post
Best I’ve seen so far on this blog, hands down. The Lakers are unquestionably the best team in the Western Conference, and while I’m happy that my Rockets won today I know that the Lakers didn’t bring their A game..in fact I would give them F’s all across the board. I know they’ll play 100% better in game 5 and I just hope my Rockets can match them!
by UHoustonFan on May 10, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
it goes to show that even in the depth of evil some good can exist. Deep down every fan feels this away about their teams. Records and talent aside real fans want their team to win it the right way. I am glad you showed you are a real fan and you are not afraid to question your teams heart when clearly it show be.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on May 10, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rockets fan here...
Before the game today, my heart was telling me I had to watch this game, but my head was telling me that watching would hurt my heart. I was surprised to see the opposite happen. I have never felt prouder.
Thanks for your post. Not that you will root for the Rockets but it hurts sometimes to watch how much this team leaves on the floor when their superstars always inevitably go down (the 22 game win streak, the playoffs last year, this year’s playoffs), and yet when they are down, no matter how good they play talentwise they will be outmatched. This Yao/Tmac expiriment remains with only one playoff victory which you can largely credit to the great play of our bench. And somehow, I have to watch teams that look like they are just going through the motions, like the Lakers, win everything. I almost feel as proud of this team as I did watching the championship Rockets teams of 94 and 95. Granted I was only a kid then, but this team has as much guts as any team I’ve ever seen.
I’m not asking Laker fans to root for the Rockets. I just want them to give us the credit we deserve, because if we had a player like Kobe, I don’t think there would be a doubt in anyone’s mind that we could easily take down a title with our heart.
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 10, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave at the office.
Not sure what happened to my WHY HOUSTON IS TOUGHER THAN YOU THINK post — I tried to link it and it seems to be gone.
Nobody here thinks the Rockets suck.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 10, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, here we go... I was looking in the wrong place...
Why the Houston Rockets are tougher than you think they are…
(May 4, 2009)
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 10, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, thanks I'm new here never saw that
I guess I wasn’t trying to imply that everyone doesn’t respect the rockets. It just gets frustrating listening to the national media talking as if the Rockets are a speed bump in the Lakers way even while the series is tied. I can’t think of how much analysis has been made of the Denver/La series when the Lakers still find the Rockets standing in their way in a big way.
I probably agree with everyone that the Lakers have the advantage being as it is a best of 3 with 2 on their homecourt but this series has been wild, and I really have given up on trying to make predictions. At this point I’m just going to enjoy the ride and may the best team win?
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 10, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the vast majority of Laker fans felt the team was a juggernaut going into the playoffs...
I mean, really, their record was 65-17 in the regular season — the 4th best season in franchise history… And there have been some pretty OK Laker teams over the entire history of the team… They had the best road record in the league.
It was pretty easy to read the 17 losses as “goof ups” when they momentarily lost concentration and took their eye off the ball.
However, there were fundamental problems which some saw before and some didn’t — Fisher is really out of his element against speedy point guards, Pau is NOT a low post banger despite his offensive prowess during the season, guys like Walton and Vujacic are 8th and 9th men on ANY team in the NBA and don’t have super powers just because they wear purple, Kobe has lost a step and is not getting to the hole like he used to, and so on.
There are also some things that NOBODY saw coming — Andrew Bynum giving indications of 15 and 10 prowess at the end of the season before regressing into a somewhat more inept version of Greg Oden—Human Foul Machine.
There is always a period of shock and denial before acceptance finally sinks in.
As for the Rockets, they’re a good team and were red hot coming into the series. Game 3 cooked them though, I think. Winning best of 3 with 2 of those in LA is a really tall order… Loss of the Centers is ultimately a fatal blow, even if they do upset the Lakers…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 11, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
nice post, I agree with your sentiments as a basketball fan — not only a Laker fan. We just don’t deserve the trophy this year, and it comes down to a lack of mental focus. We aren’t the hardest-working team, we’re just the most talented.
Now despite all this — we might still win the title. I’m not ready to count out LA after one terrible letdown of a game. But it was just awful, and I think it’s something we really needed as a team, just to get our asses absolutely handed to us. Maybe it’ll light a fire under us. But probably not.
I’m really not proud of this team today.
My name isn't really Iggy.
by IggyQ on May 10, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
C'mon, now...
Slow your roll for a second. I admire your honesty… not sure if you’re just trying to cover your own back for if the Rockets end up winning the series… but it takes some guts to put this thought out there into Laker Land. It just amazes me that you can write that your mind hopes that this team doesn’t win a championship. Maybe our minds work a little differently, but I don’t think that I could ever say that, much less put it into print… and, for the record, I do try to remain as objective as possible, so I’m not one of those “Lakers can do no wrong” people.
I love the Lakers just as much as you (seem to), and I can freely admit that our boys were tremendously off today, and they did not deserve to win THIS game. But to say that they don’t deserve the championship, and they don’t even deserve to win this series? That’s fine if you want them to lose a game or two with the hope that it will light a fire under them and “scare them straight.” But to say that you hope a more deserving team comes along and knocks them off? C’mon, now!
There’s a reason that the majority of the people who agree with you are fans of other teams. Would you honestly rather have the Rockets be the champs? With their low-class fans, and their players’ dirty tactics? Would you rather have the Celtics (see Rockets’ description) win the championship? Or the Cavs? Personally, the only team that I could accept winning instead of L.A. is Denver. Yeah, Houston outplayed L.A.. Yeah, they haven’t seemed to be taking this series, or the last one, seriously. But we don’t know what goes on in the locker room. We don’t know what goes on in the hearts and minds of the players. Look at the Angels, for example.
By all accounts, that was a bad team for most of this new season; yeah, they’ve had a lot of horrible things (injuries, deaths, etc.) happen to them, but that was a team that had so much promise at the start. They’re just now starting to live up to that, and it looks like they just might be OK in the long run. I look at the Lakers’ playoff run in the same way.
They’ve got a lot of potential. But, for whatever reason, they’re just not living up to it RIGHT NOW. Maybe they will start living up to this playoff potential, and maybe they won’t. Only time will tell. But I choose to have faith in this team, and believe that they will (eventually) pull themselves together, by whatever means necessary. Your mind wants this team to fail, but I hope to God that they prove you wrong.
by G.A.-43 on May 10, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yup. i am greatly disappointed in the lakers. they did deserve to lose this game. in my opinion, it is the coach’s responsibility for them to come out prepared with the mental focus needed to win the game and put themselves in a position to win this series. i agree, i the lakers as much as anyone can love. it’s in my blood. but i do want them to win, no matter what—and hope they realize the missing parts and how they can’t always get lucky. maybe it’s time for phil to step down. he puts too much blame on the players. i can’t recall the last time he blamed himself or the entire coaching staff for playing poorly or losing a game. it’s up to him to light a fire in this team. if he can no longer do it, then thank you for all that you’ve done…now bring in mike krzyzewski.
by chaucer on May 10, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I understand you wanting your team to win but...
Low class fans? This is the same LA Staples center that is regularly more a place for sleezy celebrities to be seen than a place to watch a good basketball game. This is the same team that has more bandwagoners who’ve never even been to LA and are so obsessed with winning that they just choose the most successful teams to root for?
Dirty Tactics? I believe the only truly dirty play in this series was Fisher loading up on Scola.
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 10, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
calm down bro....
relax, it wasn’t a personal attack on you. he was stating his opinion.
yes fisher’s screen destruction was out of line, but please don’t throw stones when ron artest and his glass house are on your team.
by rshinsec on May 11, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW -
“The Brawl” was five years ago. Artest served the harshest penalty handed out for it. Five years ago. What terrible stuff has he done on the court since then? Seriously, what?
He gets Ts for looking upset, ejected for the sort of jawing that earns 1 T for other guys, or thrown out for what was a hard basketball foul, nothing more.
That argument just doesn’t wash any more. No player is reffed more strictly than Artest. I’ve watched him getting T’ed up for being fouled in the regular season, seriously.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
by Xiane on May 11, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Rockets Fan so...
I would say calling me low class is somewhat an attack.
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 11, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get in line to join Club Classless..
With us Laker fans.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on May 11, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
completely agree with you. The Lakers are the best team talent-wise, but at times they do not show an ounce of passion. It seems that they don’t want it. If they played with the passion of teams like Cleveland, they could have easily swept the previous series and even this one. Unfortunately, their performance each night is like a coin toss. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don’t.
by Sulaiman on May 10, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes it has to do with Houston being a good team
Its not really that far-fetched that Houston played a damn good game and for this one game they out played us.
by intuitive on May 10, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they absolutely did
they ambushed us and shut us down, like almost no team has done this entire year. It’s also true that we were outplayed because we allowed ourselves to be outplayed.
My name isn't really Iggy.
by IggyQ on May 10, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
houston won game 4.
the lakers lost game 1 however, there was a distinct difference between the 2 games.
by rshinsec on May 11, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston IS a good team
There is no denying that. I’m not saying that they didn’t play an inspired brand of ball. There’s a strong possibility that the Lakers would have lost even if they had tried to win the game. But we’ll never know because that’s not what happened.
In my mind, the Lakers lost game 4 more than Houston won it, only because the Lakers would lose to ANY team with that effort. I hate to take away from Houston’s victory, but that is exactly what the Lakers did. They ruined a great effort from Houston by playing like it was Game 5 of a 4 game sweep.
by C.A. Clark on May 11, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets have been playing inspirational ball for the past few years
The 22 win streak that propelled the rockets to the top of the western conference last year was epic.
by laker on May 16, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland Fan Here
I just wanted to write as a fan of the game and commend you on the honesty you showed in this post. Really, it’s good to see a fan who can still root for the home team while retaining a modicum of objectivity. I get tired of all the trash talking and mindless cheer leading.
I see in my team, the Cavs, a really talented group of guys with perhaps one of the greatest players who will ever play the game. I see a team that worked their asses off every regular season game to earn the best record because they learned the hard way last year that home court matters in the playoffs. I see a squad who have embraced the concept of team, because Lebron knows he can’t do it alone. I see a team that, even when facing opponents they could have easily looked past, buckles down and never loses sight of the goal of a championship. “One goal.” That’s the team’s motto. I see a team poised to win it all.
But yet, there are doubts. Despite their focus, will they be soft when facing a stiffer challenge? Can they overcome the Lakers, an extremely talented team lead by a legend of the game? Can LeBron dethrone Kobe, or is it still not his moment? Will Cleveland have to wait yet another year?
So both sides have our doubts, which mostly seem to hinge on whether the Lakers will rise to the occasion—and if they do—whether Cleveland will be able to answer. I do think it is destiny that it will be Cleveland and the Lakers in the finals, although if I were you I wouldn’t be looking past the Nuggets, while either the Celts or Magic will be have to be taken seriously.
As far as the reason why the Lakers didn’t play hard tonight, as an outsider I’d have to place the blame on the coach. I’ve always felt that Jackson was overrated. He got lucky in Chicago and earned a reputation he didn’t necessarily deserve. Now he only walks onto teams already poised to win championships so he can claim credit. He’s good at managing superstar egos, but his basketball knowledge is questionable. I don’t like the way he threw his own team under the bus in this quote:
"They didn’t anticipate the energy that they were going to come with," Jackson said. "But you say as much as you can as a coach and then the players have to execute and do it on the floor."
It’s like he’s already distancing himself from the loss. “I told them but they wouldn’t listen to me. Don’t blame me!” Weak. As the coach, he has to accept blame. He has to get his team prepared. If they aren’t, it’s on him.
Winning has a way of bringing a team together. But I have a feeling that if the Lakers start losing, you might see more finger-pointing than resolve. But then again, I have my doubts. That’s why they play the games!
by kosk11348 on May 10, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was totally surprised by Phil's comment as well...
That is the kind of divisive comment that destroys team chemistry and causes selfish play.
The Lakers franchise deserves better than that.. If Phil goes, Coach K would be a good move for LA and would restore some sense of teamwork and dignity.
"Yes I have received many, many blessings. I am so, so happy!"
by SexMutumbo on May 10, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil makes me laugh
Press conference when asked if he was embarassed: “Are you embarassed? Are we embarassed? No we’re not embarassed. Give them some F*cking credit! I mean for real!”
by UHoustonFan on May 11, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd also start watching a few Nuggets games here pretty quick... Just sayin'...
Can they overcome the Lakers, an extremely talented team lead by a legend of the game?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 10, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're totally right
I think if the Nuggets can plow through the Lakers and into the Finals to face the Cavs, it would be a very dangerous matchup for us. They’re a defensive team, just like the Cavs. In some ways I think they might pose a bigger threat. Gah! That’s why I love the playoffs! So many possibilities, but no ones knows how the dice will land.
by kosk11348 on May 10, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets still have a possiblity too.
Quit talking about the Rockets like they are dead men walking. I agree that their odds would have to be the worst out of the 3 teams still alive in the west but they have shown an unwillingness to lay down. If the Lakers don’t wake up soon, they could find themselves thinking of the season that could’ve been.
If that happens, the Rockets almost always play the Nuggets well. So, quit talking like we have no shot. It’s unlikely but nothing predictable has happened in this series yet
"[Lebron James] reminds me of a new and improved version of me" - Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest
by ClutchCityCrazyPills on May 11, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think the Rockets are a harsh unpleasant experience, you're gonna love Denver.
But it’s a tie series anyway.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
by Xiane on May 11, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
johnny ludden also wrote:
Prior to the game, Jackson said he was on guard for a possible letdown. Yet during the Rockets’ initial six-minute barrage, he didn’t burn a single timeout. Jackson has long operated that way. He prefers to give his teams the freedom to work out their problems. But in a game in which he knew the Lakers would have trouble matching the Rockets’ energy, wouldn’t it have been wise to call his players over and remind them that, well, it’s time to start playing?
kosk, you’ve pretty much echoed what i said about phil jackson. you are right. it is his responsibility to keep this team focus and hungry. and you are right. that kind of talk is divisive. however, for the time being, you and all lakers fans should stop talking about the lakers vs cavs or nuggets, for that matter. they will not beat houston if they don’t start playing good basketball with effort. seriously, we need to put aside all talk about other teams, and worry about the rockets right now… and to the rockets fan who commented about his team not getting respect. i do respect them. i am not counting them out. they are a good and tough group. if they beat the lakers, which they obviously can, then congratulations to them. they will have deserved it. it’s the best of three now. let’s take it one game at a time.
by chaucer on May 11, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or as the legendary (and the greatest broadcaster of all time) chick hearn used to say : “it’s nervous time at the great western forum”
by chaucer on May 11, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the need to clarify my point
This post isn’t about results. This wasn’t a panic post. I’m not giving up on the Lakers’ chances to win the title, and I will still be rooting for that to happen, as I always do.
I just needed to put it on paper how sick I am of watching this team not live up to its potential because they couldn’t be bothered to try hard. If this team played with the same passion and commitment to each other that you see out of most championship teams, they might have won 70 games, and probably could have swept through to the finals. Instead, they are struggling with lesser teams, and they don’t even seem to give a crap.
I don’t blast the Lakers for every loss. In Game 1, when they couldn’t shoot to save their lives, I wasn’t overly upset with the team. Bad games happen. This game was a completely different animal. ABC put together a group of clips showing 4 separate situations in which the Lakers DID NOT EVEN ATTEMPT to close out on shooters in the first nine minutes of the game, and we’re talking about a team that really didn’t have an inside presence to be worred about. I don’t know if anybody would disagree with me that the Lakers effort was deplorable from start to finish, and for that to happen in the playoffs is just unforgiveable for me at this point.
Think of it like a classic sports movie script. On one hand, you have a team of scrappy underdogs, doing everything short of selling their soul to try to compete. On the other hand you have a more talented team, who catches all the breaks, and doesn’t even have to put forth its best effort to win. You know which team you’d be rooting for if you saw that movie.
That’s my point. The Lakers are the bad guys in the movie right now. They might win this series, they might win it all, but if they do, it’ll be like the other team in Hoosiers winning the championship. The part of me that seeks a just and fair world doesn’t want the team to win because if they do, it’ll be rewarding them for not trying as hard as the teams they beat along the way. It’s a naive argument, to be sure, and I don’t expect everyone, or even anyone, to come with me on it.
The Lakers can change my mind. If they play 100% from here on out, I’ll be retracting my words by the Finals (if they do this, there’s no way they don’t make it to the Finals.) I’m just saying that, if the Lakers can somehow manage to win it all by half-assing their way through all these series, because they really are just that much better than any other team, then I’ll celebrate, but it’ll be tempered with the knowledge that it’s not a victory to be all that proud of.
by C.A. Clark on May 10, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Lakers are as good as their regular season record or that their bench is as deep as its reputation...
IF Pau starts playing like the borderline superstar he was playing like during the year…
IF Lamar turns it on again…
IF Ariza and UPS start making the big contributions of which they are capable…
IF either Farmar or Fisher shakes off what has been ailing them…
IF Bynum again becomes a significant contributor…
IF this group plays together as a team and concentrates on defense…
Then they can go far — maybe even win it all.
So far, the “flip the switch” theory has been pretty far from the reality we have seen. It’s gonna be “flush the toilet” if they show up with anything like today’s effort against Denver — or even the depleted Houston Rockets…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on May 10, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Other Side
If Pau – He’s the best weapon LA has right now. With no one over 6’9 on the Rockets Gasol should dominate. Of course, Houston has learned much about defending taller guys from watching it get done to Yao every night.
If Lamar – One of the most baffling players in the NBA. One minute he’s all-world, the next he’s The Invisible Man. My personal opinion in that he’s a great guy for extending a lead, and a terrible one for getting one, or coming back. He just seems to lack the internal fortitude for it.
If Ariza, UPS – I think Ariza is a borderline NBA starter. His job is to make open 3s and defend, and he’s not terrible good at either one. UPS – who knows? You guys might have something there. Brown was a highly rated talent once-upon-a-time.
If Farmar – LA’s most effective PG, but a problem in this matchup. He’s almost fast enough to stay in front of Houston’s PG tandem, but his reputation for getting through screens is well deserved. He either hits a brick wall or ends up miles from the ball. I was at both Houston games and watched for this. He should drive and kick more.
If Fisher – Fisher just looks done to me. He’s not going to shake off what’s ailing him, because it’s age, and father time is undefeated, as they say.
If Bynum – He seems like the center version of Odom to me. He also is suffering the Curse of Young Big Men – the whistle blows when he looks at the ball (see Oden, Greg). Another two years, and I think you’ll really have something there. Assuming his teamates don’t end his career first.
And Gratis, Luke Walton is a punk who would not be in the NBA if his name was Luke Jones.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
by Xiane on May 11, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lest people think I'm dense
Pau is the best weapon other than Kobe. But I don’t think Kobe can win this on his own, unless he has some more 40+ efforts stored away.
Go to the light. Go to the light...
by Xiane on May 11, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if youre counting on Pau to show up for Game 7,
there may be a problem.
Three things you must know:
-"Ben Gordon is a bundle of muscle and clutch. That's all he's made of. Drink BG7 energy drink, you'll grow a pair of balls on your balls."
-Pau Gasol: The defense of a seven foot ladder paired with the post presence of Manute Bol.
-Joakim Noah is better than you.
by Prevenge on May 16, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well duh, you can say that about every team....
IF every player on the team plays as well as they can, then they can go far.
IF Ron Artest shoots like he did in games 1 and 2
IF Shane shoots like he did in game 4
IF ABZ plays like he did in game 4
IF Carl Landry plays like he did in game 2
The list goes on and on. If every player on a team plays the best they can, they will win every game, unless their opponent plays a perfect game. The key isnt getting all of the players to play to their potential, its getting a few to have a great game that work together to win.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets (kind of)
Series tied 2-2
by TexasHoosier on May 11, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adelman is doing a terrific job in HOU
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on May 11, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is
but alot of us houston fans still get aggravated with him sometimes. he has a tendency to zone out of games and forget where he is, thus he was given the nickname Coach Sleepy on TDS.
Game 1 100-92 Rockets
Game 2 111-98 lakers
Game 3 108-94 lakers
Game 4 99-87 Rockets (kind of)
Series tied 2-2
by TexasHoosier on May 11, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dutchman
entering the playoffs i was absolutely sure that barring injury the lakers would win the championship this year, whereas last year i knew we wouldn’t. i was surprised they got past the spurs and into the finals. once there, i picked the celtics in 6. as i said before, this year, and these playoffs, i WAS sure we’d win… like you i, too, am not giving up on them; however,i am starting to doubt them. and for good reason.
by chaucer on May 11, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That was a pathetic and lame attempt by the team. I don’t mind the loss so much, as embarrasing as it was, but the fact the Lakers played with so little heart snd effort. If they don’t care I question why I should. Of course, I don’t think I can ever do that.
On a separate note, I think this team has stopped responding to PJ.
by Coop21 on May 11, 2009 7:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
while i like many things about phil's ability
i question several approaches as well. and it absolutely angers me that he does not hold himself accountable. what an arrogant SOB. i cannot stand that. these are not the Jordan led bulls where his team consisted of mostly veteran players, two hall of famers, and a collection of good defenders, shooters, and what have you. kobe is not jordan. he does not possess the same drive. phil’s laid back approach worked well in chicago because jordan was like a coach on the court, as well as a motivator. he would chew out players (and right in their face, on the court) if they did not play well. kobe doesn’t do that. these lakers are not his bulls. he needs to change his approach and keep this team focused and motivated. i seriously think we need a different coach for this group. they are way too talented not to win easily against the likes of the jazz and now, the depleted rockets. i don’t get it. i really don’t get his approach. it didn’t work last finals. it didn’t work last game. enough of the mind games. get your ass up from that bench and earn your 12 million dollar annual salary. or go home and fish all day long.
by chaucer on May 11, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my take on pj
is that he wants to surpass red’s record and kobe wants to win one without shaq, i maybe wrong though….
by armstrong on May 11, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your expectations are a bit off - The Lakers are deep, not talented
The problem here is that you believe that the Lakers are the most talented team by far in the NBA.
Not true.
There is a difference between talent and depth.
David Friedman says it way better than I can:
The L.A. Lakers are considered to be perhaps the deepest and most talented team in the NBA. They are certainly a deep team in terms of having 10 players who can competently play at least 10 mpg if necessary but that is not at all the same thing as being the most talented team.
And more:
[The Lakers] are a deep team but they are not as talented as the great teams in NBA history—or the current Boston Celtics, for that matter, a team that has three future Hall of Famers in its starting five plus a young point guard who seems to be blossoming into an All-Star caliber player right before our eyes this year.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 11, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Missing the point
I feel the need to point out that very little of this post is concerned with how much more talented the Lakers are compared to the rest of the NBA. That the Lakers have a lot of talent is sufficient enough to make the main point, which is that they are wasting that talent on a regular basis.
The only times that I point out their talent compared to the rest of the NBA are all hypothetical situations. I’m saying that IF they make it to the finals, IF they win it all, it will be because they are much more talented, not because they brought the same level of effort. If they aren’t much more talented, they won’t even sniff the championship this year. And a championship won under those circumstances will not be as special for me as it should be.
by C.A. Clark on May 11, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
But I don’t think they will be able to win it on talent alone, so your concern will not need to be addressed. If they win, they will have to do it in such a manner that I think you will be satisfied. They are not so talented that they can win without effort and hard work.
Just for examples, which title teams can you point to that won on mostly talent, ones that if you were a fan of them, you would be disappointed in their winning it all?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 11, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually want to pose this question to everyone here, because I can't think of any of the top of my head
Which title teams can you point to that won on mostly talent, ones that if you were a fan of them, you would be disappointed in their winning it all?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 12, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2001 Lakers? The 2004 Lakers went to the Finals on pure talent
It’s the history of the Lakers. They’re truly a very talented group of dudes year in and year out. But honestly, they don’t look motivated at all. There are times when they are and times when they aren’t I really think Artest needs to talk some trash, cuz right now there’s no way there winning anything with their attitude.
by laker on May 12, 2009 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers really seemed to peak in mid February...
…when they went on a 6-0 road trip that included back to back victories in Boston (w/ Garnett) and Cleveland. Gasol was playing his best defense of the year at that time and Odon was out of his mind. Most of all the team was playing very smart basketball.
I’m not sure if they can get back into the groove now but it’s not out of the question to assume that they can.
Last year at this time the Celtics were 8-0 at home but 0-6 on the road in the post-season and they had to grind out back to back 7 game series to advance to the conference finals. Once there the Celts finally started winning some road games and all the questions about whether or not they had what it took to win a championship went out the window.
If the Lakers do something similar and end up winning the title, it will be because they will have put in a heavy effort. The bottom line is that they won’t win if they don’t go all out. So my mind and heart will continue to both root for the Lakers and hope that I see more of an effort the rest of the way.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on May 11, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They peaked cuz Bynum was out
The Lakers play better when they suffer a setback. Then after 6-0 they lost a few, b/c they got complacent.
by laker on May 12, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That . . . is some writing right there.
Rec’ed as many times as Kareem made the cover of Sports Illustrated (29, to be exact).
by Lauri on May 11, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though this is not my point of view...
We all express ourselves differently about our love for the Lakers. The fact that someone expresses themselves in a certain way does not make him/her wrong. It only means that a person has passion. Although I will never hope that the Lakers loose in any way shape or form that doesn’t mean that the author of this post is wrong for expressing himself with his own point of view and style. I just admire the passion even though it is not the same as mine. GO LAKERS!
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 11, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look Ahead
Let’s llok ahead …… NBA: The Week Ahead http://bit.ly/NXtX2
by oigeli on May 11, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Truehoop's got the link I was looking for...
I hate Hollinger’s PER, but he’s good at getting the specific research to prove his point, showing that “the NBA landscape is littered with champions who looked nothing like the part midway through the second round”.
Six straight champions had adversity staring them in the face at this point in the playoffs; not since the Lakers’ three-peat have we seen a champion get through a second-round series without having to answer a lot of questions along the way.
Yes, the Lakers looked awful in Game 4. Uninspired, nonchalant, entitled … you name it and the adjective fits. And yes, obviously, that’s a worrying sign.
But no, this doesn’t mean we get to write them off as a title contender. Recent NBA history is positively littered with examples like theirs — in fact it seems to be a more common path to glory than the ones Cleveland and Denver have embarked upon thus far
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on May 11, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the otherhand though
The coaches and players of those teams didn’t make excuses and act nonchalantly about the situation. The celtics were mad crazy about their inability to win on the road. The lakers are not very concerned that they’re 2-2 against the Rockets, when they could have been 3-1, etc. Maybe the lakers will win, but they could be doing it so much better.
by laker on May 12, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frying Dutchman
OMG!!!! What an AWESOME post…..you were sooooooo ON POINT!
Thank you for warming my heart.
I love the Lakers and have been a fan for more than 20 years, but……I don’t like them
right now and I, too, hope they get knocked off of their high horse.
In closing….Phil Jackson sucks!
by blackberrylicious on May 11, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The weather is awfully fair sometimes.
The Lakers are now 6-2 against the Rockets this season.
by wondahbap on May 11, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your thing says lakers are 6-2 v. the Rockets
But the 4-0 in the beginning don’t matter. The Lakers can go 7-4 v. the Rockets, but still lose the playoff series.
by laker on May 12, 2009 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can thank Josh for that
He sent out the link to a couple of national blogs he’s familiar with and it got picked up.
If, in the end, the Mother’s Day Massacre ends up getting our blog some publicity on the national level, well, maybe its not all bad after all =).
by C.A. Clark on May 11, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Rockets fan
Lakers v Cleveland finals?
That would be some great basketball.
I'll snap yo neck like a twig if you sass me again. . .
by Duhoh on May 11, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As of now
it looks like Denver v Cleveland would be more entertaining ball. Both teams seem to having a burning desire to win.
"I am from one of the top 15 cities in the world. Buffalo, New York." - TrentEdwardsHoF2018
by Artest4Prez on May 12, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Civil War
is just like the original one. Heavy losses on both sides with no clear winning only losers.
Baseball is God's sport! All Truth Goes Through Three Stages 1.It is ridiculed 2.It is violently opposed 3.Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. kinesiologist
by E5 on May 14, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!
I was going to post a post similar to this one, but I definately must admit that I don’t think I would have said it quite as eloquently as you. My god do I love the Lakers, but this is the first time for a really long time have a grown to just be fed up with their antics.
The last time I had been this frustrated was when Kobe just let us get destroyed by phoenix in game 7, clearly to make the statement of our team just not being talented enough for Kobe not to be a “ballhog”.
Then there was last year, get demolished by the Celtics. Those lakers had an excuse, they were young, and weren’t battle tested like the Laker’s of the early 00’s with vets like Horry and Fox refusing to take greatness for granted.
These Lakers have no excuse, you could see in the start of the year, they were angry, motivated, and lets face it, unbeatable. But now the playoffs have started, and after a season of domination, the Lakers have grown arrogant and “bipolar”. In every other sport, I always root for the underdog, because of the heart they show. But a lifelong laker fan can’t find any heart in this team.
by robi s on May 18, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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