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Some Advice For Visiting Fans of Other Teams

Since the Lakers are generally one of the higher-profile teams in the league, and because LA is one of the favorites to compete for the title this year, I wanted to give fans of rival teams a view of things from a Laker fan’s perspective.

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1. You know how you hate the Lakers more than any other team, to the point where you almost want them to lose more than you want your own team to win?  Where if someone asked you who your two favorite teams are you'd say "Team X and whoever is playing the Lakers."?  You have to realize that Laker fans don’t feel the same way about your team. I mean, if the Lakers are playing against your team or if your team represents some threat in terms of playoff seeding or something, then we hope they lose; but honestly otherwise we don’t really think about them too much.  In the last couple years some "old rivals" like the Celtics and Blazers have risen back to prominence and have been excited to renew their rivalry with the Lakers, but from my perspective as a Laker fan I honestly didn't spare many thoughts about those teams when they were down, and really for the most part just kinda forgot they were there except on days when they were playing the Lakers.  In the same way that other more recent rivals like the Suns and Kings have fallen off in terms of being good teams, I generally don't even think about them, let alone spend time high fiving other Laker fans that those teams aren't good right now.

2. It’s not arrogance or some sort of cockiness that makes me say this, or that makes Laker fans have this kind of attitude, it just wouldn’t make sense for Laker fans to fixate on any one team year after year in this way. The Lakers have had long-running and intense rivalries with a whole number of teams over the years, especially in the Western Conference.  Sometimes the Lakers have lost, but more times than not they've won (they wouldn't have been in The Finals 29 times otherwise).  So you might come here thinking you're a fan of the team that is the Lakers' biggest rival, but the truth is the Lakers' don't really have one biggest rival.  Some might say the biggest rival is the Celtics, but that's really just because the teams have always met in The Finals, something the Lakers can't do with all the other teams from the West.  To wit, has the Laker rivalry been bigger with Boston in this decade simply because the two teams played for the championship this year, or was the rivalry bigger with Portland, San Antonio, Sacramento, or even Phoenix or Utah?  Who can say?  All I know is that as a Laker fan you really can't afford to just fixate on one team out there year after year, because the Lakers' biggest rival every year is whoever represents the biggest threat to LA winning another championship.  You could argue right now that that team is the Cleveland Cavaliers or the Orlando Magic, so why would any Laker fan get overly caught up in worrying about what teams like San Antonio or Portland (or even more to the point, Phoenix or Sacramento) are up to?  The Lakers might not even play any of those teams this year, so there's no reason to worry about them right now.  If the Lakers meet them in the playoffs, then we'll care about them, but for the immediate future the Lakers' biggest rival is Utah.

3. Your unflinching dislike for the Lakers is not unique. Maybe you fans of rival teams don't think about the Lakers when your own teams aren’t that good, or maybe you guys all tune in to vociferously root against LA even when your team isn't even in the playoffs, I don’t know. I do know that the attitude you have towards the Lakers is something that any Laker fan gets from fans of just about every other team. And I mean, the exact same attitude, right down to the comments about how awful California is, or what a fake city LA is, or how Kobe is so selfish, or how Laker fans are so smug, how you can’t stand all the celebrities at the games, and how the crowds at Staples center arrive late, etc. We even get that same stuff from Clipper fans, who maybe hate the Lakers more than fans of any other team.  Remember: they chant "Beat LA" in every arena, not just in the one your team plays in.

4. In short: we don’t hate you as much as you hate us. We may get annoyed if you come here and make a stink and talk a bunch of trash or try to start a flame war, but otherwise we're probably not even thinking about you or your team unless the Lakers are playing them.  It's obvious from the way many fans of rival teams act when they go to Laker websites like this one that they expect to encounter a bunch of Laker fans who dislike their team as much as they hate the Lakers; but honestly when I see that I'm just surprised that it's assumed the intense feelings of rivalry go in both directions like that.  Generally I just chuckle and say to myself "oh look, another person who hates the Lakers.  How novel."

So in summation, you just need to realize that Laker fans look at fans of other teams in a very different way than how you view us.  If you root for a team that the Lakers might play in this year's playoffs, then we simply see your team as an obstacle to overcome on the way to what will hopefully be another championship. So when you come here all worked up and expecting a battle cause you're in "enemy territory" or something, try to take a second to look at things from our perspective, and remember that the Lakers face a big "rival" in every round of the playoffs each year.  It just isn't realistic to expect Laker fans to feel as strongly about your team as you do about ours.

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right on bro..

As a laker die hard, these words are as good as GOSPEL. I could care less about the spurs, suns, queens, celtics, pistons or whomever else. None of those teams have any chance of seeing us in the post season this year. Sorry Cs fans no kg, no finals. I got the blazers and cavs to worry about. But do i hate those 2 teams, heck no.

by iwmfwo2008 on Apr 17, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm just glad there's a Laker Blog on SBNation

So I don’t have to go to other team’s sites anymore to express my opinion!

by Gils_Keloids on Apr 17, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I live for Laker Haters...

they make being a Laker fan even that more great.

by LVElephant on Apr 17, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I just take it as flattery...

Were Laker fans in the same boat a few years ago when we hated the Suns with a passion, but they always had bigger fish to fry (Spurs) ?

by Justin N. on Apr 17, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Genius!

One of the best I have seen written. It would be hard for anyone to of said this any better.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Nicely done

Folks, this is just how things are for us. If you’re interested in flame wars, I’m sure you’ll ignore it. But if you’re really interested in open, meaningful discussion, and in connecting with and understanding other people, then read WildYams post twice, and take it to heart. This is how you can understand us.

For the haters, I can’t emphasize WildYams’ point #3 enough. Your Laker hate isn’t clever, witty, original, or cool. As I believe I’ve said elsewhere, it’s boring, predictable, and tired, not to mention completely unoriginal.

It’s okay though, because we’re used to it.

Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on Apr 17, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

The unoriginality of it is what is grating to me

The criticism itself is generally already weak and subpar, but that the people who utter them are of such low intellectual wattage that they can’t come up with anything new or interesting to complain about is itself the most irritating thing about the “haters”.

by Tydides on Apr 17, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally off topic but...

Great blog here gentlemen. This blog looks like it has the potential to be the best Laker blog on the web. I’m proud to be a member.

by wavenstein on Apr 17, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Definitely has the potential. But we have eons to go before we can match Forum Blue & Gold. That’s where hard work and where regulars try to maintain a consistent attitude that Josh outlined in his other post so visitors will know that when they visit, this is a place for open and respectful discussion.

by hertagnism on Apr 17, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

laker/kobe hater make my day

because there is no better feeling than somebody being shut up when the lakers/kobe dominates

by Adamas on Apr 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

As a Spurs fan, I don’t hate the Lakers at all, I just hate their cocky ass bandwagon fans here in San Antonio.

by Linix129 on Apr 17, 2009 5:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Awesome post WildYams

You really hit it right on the button.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com

by weazel on Apr 17, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess this is a great post for Lakers fans. Ego-stroking is always a fan-favorite. So kudos to you.

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by LatinD on Apr 18, 2009 12:24 AM PDT reply actions  

los angeles is like new york without the clout or history

no one likes the city and that is why people were chanting beat la chants even before the true dominance of the L.kers began in the 80’s.

face the l.kers in the second round? i’d love it!! i’d bleeeping LOVE it!!!

assuming you all can beat utah, of course…

Take it to the Hole!!

by galacticlove on Apr 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

The Blazer and fans

should probably focus on beating Houston first before talking about the second round.

And there is so much complaining going on about the refs going on at Blazer’s Edge, it’s almost a cliche. When your team is losing, the easiest thing to blame is the refs.

Times like this, I’m glad the Lakers have their own blog, because if I were to point this out before on BE, it would be considered trolling.

by Gils_Keloids on Apr 18, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

*The Blazers, not the Blazer

And for those deluded enough to believe that there is a conspiracy to help the Rockets because of their Chinese fan base – why hasn’t it helped the other three years Yao and the Rockets have made the playoffs?

by Gils_Keloids on Apr 18, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the end

The Rockets took only 12 more FTAs than the Blazers. Still a disparity, but nothing hugely egregious. Meanwhile, they scored 14 more points on FTs than did the Blazers… but beat the Blazers by 27. Take away those 12 extra FTAs to make it exactly even, and you still have a 15 point win.

It’s like people were so intent on telling us Lakers fans back in June — the free throw disparity isn’t why you lost.

Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on Apr 18, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

more than fair enough

first of all.. I’m not exactly coming through here with my proverbial tail between my legs even if I was talking trash around these parts that is, so far, entirely unjustified. There is still a series to play…

But I will completely agree with both of your points. The refs did NOT decide this game. I would love it if I felt the refs could call games directly.. but I was there at this game and the unfairness of the calls had nothing to do with this. Hell… the calls were REALLY only a slight disparity here, even though the numbers were a bit off.. it occasionally felt like the refs were just guessing on calls going both ways!!!!

PLEASE JUST CALL THE GAME ONE WAY AND CONTINUE TO CALL IT THAT WAY THANK YOU..

I would still bleeping love to face the L.kers in the second round.. I would.. I don’t take back anything I said (except maybe when I told someone that we would blow the rockets out tonight.. eeeeek.. I wish there wasn’t a record of that one!!!)

Well.. maybe something else. I talked some crap to people that swore on and on about how much experience matters a lot more in the playoffs. I think that was very naive on my part. On paper, the Blazers should have been competitive in this game. And I’m hardly giving up on my team. But I guess I may have to swallow a bit of pride and admit that no amount of fan hype and excitement will do anything to affect the outcome of this series or of these playoffs. The best team will win. The Blazers are probably (could be read clearly or obviously) not the best team.in these playoffs and are not feeling like the better team in this series. That’s really hard for me to accept.. and I will certainly not be giving up.. but getting slugged in the gut sometimes makes you wake up a bit and I’m definitely still trying to get my air back.

anyway.. good luck Laker fans.. and by that.. I mean that I hope you get nothing easy and Utah makes your lives a living hell. But I’m sure your team will take care of business, because that is what experienced playoff teams do..

Take it to the Hole!!

by galacticlove on Apr 18, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't like the attitude in your other reply, but......

I respect you for coming back here after that game. That takes bal……uh…..nevermind. LOL

"Don't I know you from somewhere"?. "Nah, that ain't me, I'm from Buffalo" - Axel Foley

by pslakerfan on Apr 19, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao!!!

I will concede that I brought more attitude than was deserved (and certainly than turned out to be warranted). My Blazers and I share the inexperience factor in these situations.

I don’t know if you L.ker fans can understand this anymore (or if it was ever the same for you); what it is like to get this excited about a young and up and coming team. You combine that with the single sport market (we are even a bit far from major college sport team), and it is really easy to get totally swept up in the moment.

Our young team and our overexcited city just got slammed in the proverbial… uhmm.. underside. I know you L.ker fans knew it was stupid for us to be feeling so unbeatable and like we were fated by destiny. And I thought a lot about all of this as I slumped my shoulders and moped out of the Rose Garden.

Wasn’t it just over a week ago that were sooooo excited to come up over Kobe again?!!? WHOOOO CARES!!!! Yeah, it was exciting and yea.. I still love this team. But this city and its love affair with the Blazers is charming from inside, but I really see now how you big market fans and the national pundits just think we are backwoods, maybe quaint if we are luck, hicks just so damn happy to be even considered worthy of the playoffs..

and that stings..

the loss hurt.. but getting destroyed on the heels of our 15,000 person rally and huge fan presence during a game with this much attention is what really stings.

All of this is just more and more ways of saying that the egg is on my face. in the future, I will be more respectful of those teams that have earned the right to say they know what they are doing. I will root for my Blazers and their continued growth and development.. hoping that one day we will really be ready for this bigger stage.

now it’s time to drink…

Take it to the Hole!!

by galacticlove on Apr 19, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't despair

It was only the first game of what looks to be a long series.

And that feeling you describe of following a young and up and coming team, the Lakers fans who have been following closely know what that feels like. Post-Shaq, Kobe and Co. did not make the playoffs the following year, and we have watched players develop and come and go. It got pretty bleak, and people were calling for Mitch Kupchak’s head. The era post-Shaq has been exciting to watch, to see a team build to the level of a contender. Granted, the Lakers got a big growth spurt with the Pau trade, but even before then, the emergence of Andrew Bynum had assured that the Lakers were on the way back up. In a sense, since Kobe took over the reins, we followed a brand new team from the bottom and are now seeing them compete for championships. It was a shorter road than for most teams (we do have Kobe!), but it still took four years to get here. The ones who have been here since “the beginning” (and didn’t bail because they were Shaq fans, or because the team started losing more often) are being rewarded now.

by Gils_Keloids on Apr 19, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

tough to take a massacre like that

when you got used to feeling nearly invincible at home.. tough to remember that it is just one game when it felt like we lost at least a couple…

But I guess it’s hard to think of the L.kers in the underdog role.. but they were hovering below relevancy. Not only is it because you still had Kobe but because you had just three-peated not too long ago.

And YOU ARE THE FREAKIN’ LAKERS!!!!!

and we all know (but hate to admit) what you LA fans know.. that you guys have the premier NBA franchise of the modern era BAR NONE. You might have floundered when you lost Shaq and were close to the bottom back in the mid-90’s, but everyone knows the Lakers are always going to become relevant again – and usually it only takes 3-4 years. You all are perfect position to end up with 9-10 championships in 30 year. That’s undeniable and annoying. We’ll find little ticky tack things to piss and moan about (colorado anybody?) but there is only one reason to hate the L.kers and that is dumb envy…

note to self.. never again post on enemy blogs after heart breaking loses when drinking

Take it to the Hole!!

by galacticlove on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

What Gils said

Trying to follow the Lakers immediately post-Shaq was painful, especially watching Kobe play his heart out to no avail. I hated Kupchak. Watching this team form, Gils is exactly right, it’s been a rebuilding process, just like watching Pritch put your team together, and one day realizing that you’ve got the pieces to challenge in the near future.

Watching Bynum suddenly come out of nowhere at the start of last year… and then later reading about the Gasol trade, and wondering if it was some kind of mistake or cruel April Fool’s joke by someone who can’t read a calendar… both of those, to me, were probably a lot like Portland fans felt upon drafting Oden.

Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on Apr 19, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

We do understand

Other Lakers fans, feel free to speak for yourselves… but for me, I’ll tell you that I get excited about every potential title team as though it were the Lakers’ first ever. Indescribably excited.

Regarding that punched in your gut feeling… See: Lakers, Jue 2008.

And for the record, many of us were pretty confident going into that one. We learned a few things, I guess, much like you, tonight.

Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huge respect

Few would ever have the … yeah … to come back here and say that. Even fewer would do it that same night. Hell, myself, I’d be sulking all night, and MAYBE come swallow some pride in a couple days.

Huge props to you for this, it shows major integrity.

Strength & Honor

by Josh Tucker on Apr 19, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

in retrospect, I may have taken the time to be a little less overdramatic about things..

Thanks all of you for being very respectful to me despite my previous attitude.

And for reminding me that L.ker fans are people, too!!! hah hah.. j/k. What I actually mean by that is that I think maybe I form a prejudged opinion of Laker fans (and maybe non-Blazer fans in general) as being less than the Blazermaniacs of Rip City. I think I forgot that fans are fans; we all go through these ups and downs. If it may have seemed to me that you L.ker fans didn’t ever had any tough times, it was really because I forgot to follow the simple lesson of putting myself into your shoes and stop assuming that you were all too busy chatting on cell phones, breathing smog, and going to hollywood premieres (and yes, i know tons of L.ker fans do not live in LA; maybe I just figured Laker fans took the smog and hollywood premieres with them) to have cared about your team all of the time the way Blazermaniacs cared about our Blazers…

I never figured Laker fans really cared that much about their team but just enjoyed winning and just ignored them the rest of the time. I’m pretty embarrassed to admit that now, but it is pretty much how my mind prejudged you guys.

And finally.. on the subject of ba-.. uhm.. let’s say cajones.. no offense to the male persuasion, but I think sometimes having the real things gets in the way of these types of realizations and admitting your mistakes right away.

Personally.. I knew I had to come back here and bare myself when I was walking out of the Rose Garden, still holding back a few tears, and thought about how much of a bi- uhm bad person I had been and how full of myself I had gotten. I even started blaming the loss on my cocky (male anatomy references getting all over the place) attitude.

Silly.. but repentance still felt like the best option..

Anyway.. thanks again. Anytime someone starts talking trash about Laker fans I will calmly mention that every team has great fans and I’ve encountered a few at SilverScreenAndRoll!!
.
ps go Utah!! ;)

Take it to the Hole!!

by galacticlove on Apr 19, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lakers still can't win in Portland :)

"The Rockets broke the heart-shaped lock on our diary and read it. They know our shirt sizes AND our shoe sizes. They know our ballboy’s girlfriend’s nickname. They own us." - nightbluefruit

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 19, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really

could care less about the Laker

by Jadon on May 22, 2009 2:59 AM PDT reply actions  

There is

no denying that they are a good team

by Jadon on May 22, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

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