The Credits: "Shoot 'Em Up"
by wondahbap on Dec 30, 2009 8:15 AM PST
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- Nothing comes easily for Lakers, but they do win -- latimes.com
- Lakers' most vital player? It's Gasol - The Orange County Register
- Lakers' Artest doesn't remember exact details of fall - LA Daily News
- Ron Artest's concussion story now murkier - ESPN Los Angeles
- What’s Wrong With Andrew Bynum? | NBC Los Angeles
MUCH MORE after the Jump...
Recaps, Post Games and Chats:
- Nothing comes easily for Lakers, but they do win -- latimes.com
- Kobe has 44 points, 11 assists as Lakers down Warriors - Game Recap - ESPN Los Angeles
- Lakers win surprisingly close game - The Orange County Register
- Bryant Drops 44, Odom Finds Game, L.A. Wins at Lakers.com BasketBlog
- Lakers win ragged race to finish line against Golden State - LA Daily News
- LAKERS: Lakers Gameday | 12/29/09 | Warriors
- Forum Blue And Gold " Preview & Chat: The Golden State Warriors
- Lakers Shoot Themselves to a Win Over the Warriors | lakers-EDGE
- Golden State vs. Los Angeles - Recap - 29, 2009 - Basketball - NBA - SI.com
- Live chat: Lakers vs. Golden State Warriors | Lakers Blog | Los Angeles Times
- Golden State vs. Los Angeles - Recap - 29, 2009 - Basketball - NBA - SI.com
Notebook: Lakers Outlast Warriors - HoopsWorld - Eric Pincus
The Orange County Register:
- Lakers' most vital player? It's Gasol
- Now Bynum has a new knee problem?!
- Don Nelson declares Kobe to be "amazing" -
- Fun on the floor with Kobe and Ronny Turiaf
- Jordan Farmar admits shock over late playing time
ESPN Los Angeles:
- Ron Artest's concussion story now murkier - ESPN Los Angeles
- Lakers 124, Warriors 118: It's a wild ride, so try to breathe easy
- Ron Artest news conference to discuss his concussion
- Adam Morrison: Named 4th worst pick of the decade by ESPN's Chad Ford
- John Ireland Blog - Artest's absence felt - ESPN Los Angeles
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LA Daily News:
Other Lakers Links:
- Who's the top club of the decade? Lakers edge Spurs - USATODAY.com
- What’s Wrong With Andrew Bynum? | NBC Los Angeles
- BenchMob Beat: Waiting In Vain | The Lakers Nation
- '09 NBA stories: L.A. steals the show - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
- NBA Power Ranking - Fox Sports
- NBA Team of the Decade: L.A. Lakers -- NBA FanHouse
Golden State Warriors Links:
- Lakers hold off hot-shooting Warriors - SFgate.com
- Golden State Warriors can't pull another upset, fall to Los Angeles Lakers - ContraCostaTimes.com
Audio/Video:
- Warriors -at- Lakers - 12/29 - HD Highlights | Flash | JD2K Lakers Video Highlights
- LAKERS: Lakers Post Game Locker Talk
- LAKERS: Warriors vs. Lakers Highlights
- Ron Artest news conference to discuss his concussion - Lakers Blog - ESPN Los Angeles
- 710 ESPN Los Angeles Live
- ESPN NBA Today
- Behind the Scenes With the Lakers -- NBA FanHouse
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Why has Artest's fall become such a call for alarm?
It’s a concussion, not an attempt to steal the spotlight in LA—give the man some time to regroup.
Because anything Lakers related = more sales of newspapers and website hits = money.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
and, anything Ron Artest related = media all over it
Shaquille O'Neal: "Tell him Shaq doesn’t respond to juvenile delinquents without a college degree. Tell him to get his degree, and we can talk. In the meantime, he should call me Dr. Shaq because I’m working on my PhD." (Referring to 17-year-old rookie Andrew Bynum, who compared himself to Shaq…except that he can make free throws.)
(courtesy of www.shaqquotes.com)
Re: Pau is the most Vital Laker
Posted the same comment on the OCregister:
I can buy this type of argument (“Pau is just as important as Kobe”) as long as you can just as easily admit that Scottie Pippen was just as important as Michael Jordan on those Bulls championships.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Or that Kobe was just as important as Shaq.
by wondahbap on Dec 30, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know most won't agree
but to be honest I do believe that out of all the “sidekicks” in the NBA the closest gap between two stars in terms of importance is between Shaq and Kobe. I would even say they were equally important but I can see how a lot might think that’s ridiculous.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
What I mean is
It’s an obvious fact to me that on basic levels Pau is as vital to the Lakers as Kobe, Scottie to Mike, or Kobe to Shaq. None of those championships happen without the other. In a snese, I agree with the sentiment. Not as exaggerated though. It’s pretty much a given that Pau’s presence takes the Lakers to another level.
I think it's partly because we take Kobe as a given
So not having Pau stands out a lot more, especially because Kobe isn’t going to miss a game unless you break both of his legs (hell, he’ll still probably try to get out there). That’s what the media sees and reacts to.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
yeah I agree completely
We shouldnt take this guy for granted period.
by desecrator09 on Dec 30, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
But that's not what it said
It said the most vital. Come on, Kobe goes down and this team is done. Pau goes down and there’s a chance still at a championship.
It was a stupid premise to make an article.
That is my main point against Pau being the WC player of the first QTR
Kobe goes down and this team is done. Pau goes down and there’s a chance still at a championship.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
i doubt we would have a shot at a championship w/out Pau
maybe a we would be a low seed in the playoffs like 5-8th seed
but we wouldnt get past denver.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Pau goes down and there's no chance at a championship
Barring Bynum exploding and the Lakers pulling a trade to get another consistent backcourt performer.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
still not enough
you need a sidekick (like pau to win a championship)
kobe on his own led the lakers to only the 7th seed in the west in 06 and 07.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Or you really this biased
To think that Kobe is enough to carry this team to a title? Honestly?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Bynum-Odum-Artest
Jesus, you think these type of players grow on trees. Even Fish has done what 99.8% of players in the league have only dreamed of (Lebron).
That’s more than enough talent when you add the Kobemeister. It ain’t a lock, but its a good chance. In fact I couldn’t name one team I would think had a better chance than the (Lakers)-(Gasol). They probably wouldn’t get past the West because there are a lot of other good teams like that, but no doubt that team could win the Finals.
Don’t get me wrong, Gasol is the “missing ingredient” for a dynasty, but one Championship w/o Gasol, definitely possible.
Uh, that's not even close to enough
Namely because the depth behind that is positively nil. Gasol masks our lack of frontcourt depth outside of Odom and Bynum by creating a three-man rotation that takes 95% of the frontcourt minutes. Going from Gasol to Powell or Mbenga is a massive downgrade and eliminates our greatest strength against other teams outside of Kobe. Odom-Bynum-Powell-Mbenga doesn’t come close to say Nowitzki-Dampier-Marion-Gooden or Duncan-Blair-McDyess-Bonner. Although Artest can play some four, it doesn’t really help because our wing depth is nil as well, as that approach demands more minutes out of Farmar and Brown to compensate for Kobe taking minutes at the three. As such, you’d further aggravate our lack of backcourt depth by moving players around to make up for Gasol’s absence.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Your opinion of this team's capabilities is overgenerous
Offer an actual explanation or don’t bother.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I could agree that Gasol is vital, some what
but I have seen games when Kobe and Pau are working great but something is missing and its that third player or scoring or bench. Right now the bench is vital, they need to pick it up especially LO, when LO is dangerous on both ends Lakers become unstoppable.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
"Adam Morrison: Named 4th worst pick of the decade by ESPN's Chad Ford"
That’s got to kill whatever’s left of Ammo’s confidence.
Seriously, it’s only his 3rd year in the league (and technically his 2nd official playing year), no? Isn’t it too early to be calling him the 4th worst pick of the decade when his career in the league is still relatively “starting.” Granted, he’s definitely not been playing #3 draft pick caliber nor will he ever (imo) but I think he could make a decent backup player if he’s able to build some muscle, become more athletic , consistently defend and shooting the 3.
At least when Kwame’s named #1 or #2 worst draft pick, we’ve already seen most of his career played out. Ammo’s still 25, I think he can redeem himself…
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Dec 30, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1111
Yeah its too early, I think Ammo needs time but I hope this gives him some fuel to prove people wrong.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
It's a nice thought
but the truth is that it is not too early to evaluate AMMO’s career. There’s a decent chance his career is closer to the end than to the beginning at this point. There’s no guarantee he’ll be able to find another contract after this one expires.
He’s a shooter who has displayed zero confidence and ability to shoot for over a year now.
by C.A. Clark on Dec 30, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
sucks to say, but its hard to say that isnt the truth
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 30, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I think we’ ve seen enough to know ammo doesn’t have what it takes to make it in the NBA. He is a tweener that is too slow to guard anyone and not strong enough to out muscle anyone. This will be his last contract unless he goes to Europe and suddenly blossoms.
He played well in the summer league
I think his confidence just drops to the basement when he’s out on an NBA court. Of course, the level of play isn’t the same, but he does have the ability to make the mid-ranged jumper… in practice. Now lets see him do it in the game.
agreed
his career hasnt lived up to expectations, but it is way too early to put him in that category. maybe when the lakers eventually trade him away he will get more minutes and he can try to rebuild his career.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I defenitely agree
If we continue to give Bynum chances and use his injuries as a big reason why most Laker fans keep giving him chances I think I can give Ammo who makes a lot less money the benefit of the doubt. Correct me if i’m wrong but PBS said that techinically this will be Ammo’s first complete season while this will be Bynum’s third. So if we can give Bynum three years we can give this kid the remainder of his first complete season.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, but this analogy does not hold at all.
Bynum hardly played basketball in high school and then went straight to the NBA. When the Lakers drafted him, everyone knew he’d be a huge project.
AMMO has played basketball his entire life, and when he left college, he was as complete a player as he could be. That hasn’t translated to the NBA.
Bynum was always about potential, and he’s shown enough flashes of reaching it to think it’s possible he can get there full time. AMMO has never shown any indication that he can actually do what needs to be done at this level.
Agreed with everything except one thing
I think any player that comes into the NBA whether it’s from college or highschool is almost always drafted based on potential. It is rare for anyone to know which players will fill their potential. Shaq, Lebron type players are rare in the sense that you knew 100% without a doubt that their game would translate into the NBA of course considering they will be healthy.
Which is exactly what I was referring to. Their health. I think my only point was in regards to fans giving Bynum the benefit of the doubt due to his injuries and he has played 2 full season’s injury free and 3 if you count this season. Ammo has not had that luxury. Not sure if that makes sense.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
But there are degrees of potential...
Yes, all players drafted are based on potential in the sense that we can’t know they’ll be successful in the NBA.
But some players are drafted based on their raw athletic ability, knowing that it will be years before they can fully live up to it. Others are expected to be able to contribute right away. Bynum is the former, AMMO is the latter.
Put it to you this way. It’s a hell of a lot easier to increase your skill than your athletic ability. Bynum came with all athleticism and no skill. AMMO came into the NBA with a fully developed skill set. So Bynum has continued to improve throughout the years, while AMMO has actually gotten worse.
I understand your point that both players have been injured, and yet Bynum is given a benefit of the doubt that AMMO hasn’t. But a part of that is because Bynum has shown flashes of being the player that fulfills the potential. AMMO never has.
WAIT
Bynum is athletic?? He’s one of the most least athletic young big man ive ever seen. Even before his injury (which has made him Shaq-slow) he wasnt that athletic.
by desecrator09 on Dec 30, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
he's very slow on pick and rolls
he doesnt jump high at all, he doesnt bend his knees well, ect. Maybe some of that is cuz of his injuries but even before the injuries, he wasnt very athletic. Im not really hating on him, I’m just sayin the truth
by desecrator09 on Dec 30, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think Bynum is a really good athlete given his length and lateral quickness.
He moves pretty well for a player that’s 275lbs. Bynum is agile too. Length, lateral quickness and agility are areas that I think Bynum is above average. Everything else is probably average.
Defense is about effort and strategy. Bynum’s effort could improve. If it does, you would see his athleticism shine.
well, i think your all alone on that one bro
by desecrator09 on Dec 30, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
actually I think you are all alone on that one....
I think he is quite athletic for a 7 footer. Not the most athletic in the league for sure, but not all athletes move like Kobe Bryant.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
really?
I think he’s one of the slowest 7-footers ive seen in a while. And I’m seriously not saying this because I’m a hater of him or something. He really is slow moving laterally and his hops have clearly diminished since the knee injuries. And no, I’m not all alone on this, mostly everyone who are on the game threads complain that he’s super slow on pick and rolls and that he misses lob dunks alot cuz he cant jump very high.
by desecrator09 on Dec 30, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Defenitely
can’t go against what you are saying. Especially about your explanation about it being easier to increase your skills rather than athletic ability. The one difference between Bynum and Ammo in my opinion is when you think of it in terms of time. Bynum had 2 full years in the begining to improve while Ammo hasn’t. He hasn’t even played a full season yet. But I defenitely see your point. Either way, I think this might all be meaningless because in my opinion, unless Ammo starts shooting like Ray Allen he is out of here. I just hope the Lakers get something out of him rather than just let his contract fall off the books. That expiring contract in todays NBA has a lot of value.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
There is a huge difference between Andrew Bynum and Adam Morrison.
That difference resides with each players projection. If you start from the draft process, Bynum’s potential is otherworldly given his physical attributes. An organization has tools to work with. Morrison was not afforded that same potential. He basically peaked before stepping into an NBA arena. Fast forward to the present, Bynum still has potential to be a great player, while Morrison is counting his days being paid $5 million. The former has shown that he can be a dominated force offensively with his array of skills more often than the latter. Morrison did lit up Spurs in his first year in the league, but that was it. He has physical limitations and a game that can be found every year in the draft or free agency. Or the D-League.
Bynum and Morrison cannot be compared because they are players with vastly different talent levels. Comparing JJ Redick and Adam Morrison might be a start.
Hey, Redick has shown some pretty significant improvement
Especially his defense. If he can continue to shoot over 40 percent from three and guard well, he’s going to be in the league for a long time.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Definitely. That's where I'm getting at with comparison. Redick had the same deficiencies.
Redick worked his tail to improve on those flaws, and it showed. He’s much quicker and stronger since he began his NBA career. Morrison needs to put in the work to stay in the NBA much the same way Redick.
I’m actually a fan of both players. Their cockiness and cofidence was insane in college. They were awesome to watch.
There is a possibility that Adam Morrison can improve his quickness and explosiveness. He is starting to
reach his physical prime. The problem is does he want to do that. Plus, even if he improves those physical deficiencies, he’ll still have problems on defense. Morrison needs to get his confidence back too. He was one cocky SOB in college, and all of that positivity disappeared quick after he got injured. Nonexistent right now.
I think Morrison can find a niche in this league. Does he want to do the work necessary to reach that point? Doubtful.
Eh, the draft is always a crapshoot
Every projection looks peachy when you start and then you realize you’re left with dead weight when your pick actually steps onto an NBA court. It’s why people weren’t lambasting Charlotte over the pick during the draft, and began ripping them when they realized that Morrison simply didn’t have the athleticism to compete in the league. So, if you take the perspective of Morrison as the third overall pick, then he’s a massive bust. There’s no arguing with that view. Now, if you want to argue for Morrison’s continued tenure in the league, that’s another argument altogether, although I’m fairly certain that he’s out of the league next year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Yeah, but the team that drafted for him will see no benefit if he gets better
We already know what they got for him, Radmanovick – Shannon Brown. That’s not a whole lot better than Kwame.
Now if you could somehow extrapolate Kwame for Gasol, he would be a great pick!
The greatest Vladimir Radmanovic moment as a laker:
game 2 of the 08 finals when he travelled to Michigan on this dunk to cut the deficit to 4.
lakers of course lost that game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfh2Wjq4WJs
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
But, but, but, it's not possible.
“Bryant moved past Denver’s Carmelo Anthony for the NBA lead in scoring at 30.4 points per game. The Lakers are 7-0 this season when Bryant scores 40 or more points.”
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
great to know
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Good Game LA
RECAP: Golden State Warriors 118, LA Lakers 124- Ain’t no shame
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by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 30, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions
heres the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-091126-27/weekend-dime-first-trimester-awards
strange pick
neither Kobe or Melo?
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
?????
weird
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Dec 30, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Steins smoking something
has he not watched Gasol turn soft in the post and Kobe carry the Lakers assses with a broken finger etc. I know since Gasol returned Lakers went on a streak but in these past few games with the ball in Gasol’s hand, dude has done nada compared to what he was doing during the streak. So I haven’t paid Stein’s article much attention since I read it cause he’s definitely missing something.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
artest disappeared during the cavs games?
really! given lebron performance at that game, i think artest did a decent job.
wtf?
Not that he doesn’t deserve the credit but that’s like saying that T-Mac is in the All Star. Kobe carried the Lakers in Pau’s absence. But I can guarantee, and I haven’t even read the article yet, but he is heavily relying on the Lakers record after Pau came back. If Kobe missed those games instead of Pau the Lakers record would have been worst.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
ughhhh
If Boston beats Phoenix tonight without Pierce and Garnett, its gonna make us look bad. GO SUNS!!
fuck, Cavs gonna win again
I knew the Hawks werent for real. They’re better but they aint elite by any stretch.
yeah, it sucks!
Clev 106 vs. Atl 101
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
-Kobe
Well, I felt the same way when you were playing the Warriors
As much as I would have delighted in seeing you lose, I knew Golden State’s bad defense wasn’t going to stop you.
When Varejao is making threes on you, winning that game isn't likely.
by E-ROC on Dec 30, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
the hawks had them pretty close in both games
so i think they can put up a pretty good fight. but they certianly arn’t as big of a threat as boston or orlando, yet. they’re a young team though, so they’ve got room for improvement (depending on how much longer bibby can last)
You were watching that game? I'm flattered.
Was that a sick game or what? I’m so glad we don’t have to play the Hawks again for a while.
thanks
good little read.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Dec 30, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
great story
I know that before he played for the Lakers , Shannon Brown was just another journeyman name to me. Although he had only been in the league for three years, he was pretty much the same name as Alexis Ajinca, Kyle Weaver, Royal Ivey, or Kevin Ollie, and I had to look those names up for examples.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Dec 30, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Eroc
Thank you again for the great link. I know every Laker fan out there loves Kobe but I am a big supporter of underdogs. Which is why I rooted for John Starks against the Bulls. He came from bagging groceries to going baseline and dunking on Pip and MJ. That is why Brown is my favorite Lakers player.
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I’ve always had a soft-spot for the underdog player (even when they make $5 million a year). That’s why I want Ammo to do well, I loved watching Madsen, and I like to see Mbenga get his minutes.
exactly
"Michael Jordan once said the quality Bryant possessed that reminded him most of himself was the desire to distance himself from contemporaries."
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 30, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
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