Rumor:Is the Lakers #1 Priority Shedding Salary or Improving the Bench?
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 PM PST
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For some time now we have all discussed, as all NBA fans do, of supposed players that we Laker fans would like for the Lakers to trade for. Anytime this topic comes up three players come to mind. Sasha, Farmar and Ammo. Those are in my mind the most talked about players that I speak and hear of most. That being said, I never considered that the Lakers priority would be to shed salary 1st and to improve the bench second. Now that was my interpretation when I read the following rumor. It is fairly vague but yet it just indicates one thing, the Lakers are going to do something before the trade deadline. I know it! The only question in my mind is that if all the bench players are on the trade block of course not including Lamar, does that mean that the Lakers are also willing to part ways with Shannon? I hope not. Again, I will leave the following comment up for interpretation. I already gave my Chicken Little point of view of what I think the following means. What do the rest of you think?
Los Angeles Lakers: With a league high payroll of $91 million, the Lakers are looking again to shed salary off their bench, and GM Mitch Kupchak has told teams to take its pick of reserve players – except for Lamar Odom(notes), of course – to relieve the team of some salary.
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it indicates that the Bulls are trying to trade Tyrus Thomas. I know there is no way in hell this could happen but if i’m not mistaken he was drafter fourth in the same year as Bynum did and I have always wanted him to be a Laker. I know some of you will kill me for saying this but I would pick Thomas over Bynum even now. I just love his tenacity and he reminds a lot of a young Amare Stoudemire. Minus the tude. Anyways, a man can dream can’t he? Dam! I wish the Lakers could trade for him.
I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions
Err...
I would pick Thomas over Bynum even now
A legit seven foot center with a huge body and soft hands that is a constant 20/10 threat for an athletic, jumper-happy four who doesn’t play good defense? No way.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Tyrus Thomas may be an energetic player,
but Bynum’s a beast!
don't say silly things like this
Bynum has potential to be a franchise player, scary when we already have 2 on the Lakers. Thomas will never have that title, or even the potential.
Potential to be dominant yes franchise player eh!
no one really knows. Also to say that Thomas will never have that title is speculation no one knows that either. Bynums injuries have kept him from having a better career but I would give that title to Gasol right now. Bynum isn’t even close to having the potential.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
IF we were going to that draft and through that draft process, yes, I would have thought Tyrus Thomas
was better at that time. However, now, not so much. Bynum is simply the better player across the board.
the Y!sports article
also ended with this:
That idea worked out last season, when losing the salary of Vladimir Radmanovic to Charlotte unearthed the valuable Shannon Brown(notes) for the Lakers.
So I think that while the article focused more the Lakers looking to shed salary, MK may actually be trying to hit two birds with one stone. there are actually a lot of underrated bench players out there. (Am thinking of the hornets rookies as an example)
Agree on him trying to do both
but I am notorious for being pessimistic because if I get too excited about something the let down is worst. Example: When the Lakers tried to get KG which by the way i’m gald never worked out.
I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions
What's up P.G.F.L
PF’S and Center’s are low on a priority and Tyrus is a bit of a hothead and a numskull. But if another team comes up with The Bulls for a multi-player swap who knows. Golden State, Washington, Hornets, Nets are going to blow up does anyone see anything there.
I think for me it's because my point of view is the Defense wins titles
I understand that Bynum is a beast offensively and defensive he only looks as good as he really when Pau is in the game. I pay a lot of attention on him on defense (when Pau is out) and the team doesn’t look as good. Offensively Bynum is a million times better than Thomas but again defense wins titles.
I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure where you're getting this notion
That Thomas is a dominant defensive player. He regularly gets steamrolled because he lacks size, he gambles far too much for blocks and steals, and for such an athletic guy, his rebound rate isn’t up to snuff. Combine that with his jumper-happy offense and you have a solid bench player, and one not even remotely close to where Bynum is now. Our defense is loads better this year not only because we have Artest, but because Bynum is a huge obstacle near the rim.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Well the notion comes from me following him since college
and everything I have read about him from coaches say the same thing that he is an athletic defensive player but questionable attitude. Even D’antoni thinks so. With all due respect I do think that I would much rather go off of what coaches and scouts who have actually seen him play say about him. The problem why his stats are not that great is because he is on the bench a lot but that has less to do with his game and more to do with his relation to the coach. Yes Bynum is decent defensively but he isn’t better than Thomas. I just don’t believe that.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
thomas makes the spectacular defensive plays...
but his size limits him from making all the plays… bynums length alone makes him a better defender then thomas..
Maybe I need to clarify
I am just like the rest of you and think that overall Bynum is the better player over Thomas. But! What I am talking about is defense. With LO, Artest, Kobe and Pau the Lakers have never had a more well balanced OFFENSIVE team. That is not even including how great Bynum is offensively. But that is not what the Lakers need out of Bynum. That is where my point about Thomas comes in. The biggest reason why teams burn Fisher is because the paint needs a player to get after it defensively. I challenge anyone to look at Bynum closely tonight and tell me how animated he looks on offense and how he doesn’t show the same on defense. His defeciencies defensively are masked because Pau is in the game at the same time and together they are great. But individally when Farmar, Brown and LO come in watch Bynum and tell me there isn’t a difference. Defense wins titles.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm trying to figure out
how Thomas is going to defend opposing 5s like Dwight Howard, etc.
Or are you saying we should make Mbenga a regular rotation player?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I don't think I mentioned fives
But I can tell you one thing. Putting Gasol on KG, Ilgauskas/Shaq, and Howard would not be a problem if you use Thomas against Perkins, or any four. I don’t see why Pau couldn’t play the five in any instance.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
If we give up Bynum
then we are asking Pau to either play 48 minutes at the 5 or make DJ Mbenga a BIG part of our rotation.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
That's nonsense
They believe in his potential; that’s it. If you went over to Blog-a-Bull and said the Lakers would swap Bynum for Thomas, they would be positively drooling over the prospect. Yes, he makes the flashy defensive plays with steals and blocks, but he throws himself out of position all the time and gets regularly outpowered in the post. About the only thing he does noticeably better than Bynum is the pick-and-roll because he has the speed to switch onto guards, but last I saw, our team as a whole is defending the pick-and-roll well because we can wall off the paint since we have two seven footers.
Having Bynum as an obstacle to the rim also noticeably enhances our perimeter players because it gives them leeway to ball hawk and take risks. Artest is part of the reason we’re way better on defense this year than last, but also because he feels he has the freedom to ball hawk because he has a huge seven foot shot blocker behind him. Furthermore, Artest can really negate opposing wings by using his strength to drive them baseline, where they are forced into Bynum. Thomas doesn’t provide the size to do that, and he is by far Bynum’s inferior as a post defender for the same reason. You would also be forcing Gasol to guard opposing fives, and while he can do so, that’s not an efficient use of his talents.
On top of that, Thomas’ work ethic has been downright horrible to match — he hasn’t improved much since coming into the league, he’s completely failed to harness his athleticism on the offensive end, and has been turnover-happy throughout his career. On the other hand, Bynum has developed a post game arguably better than anyone in the game save Yao and Gasol through working at it incessantly. Has Chicago not been a great place for him to develop? Sure, but nearly all of that responsibility falls upon Thomas himself for not taking full advantage of his natural gifts.
All of this also ignores the biggest advantage Bynum gives us — it gives Gasol a mismatch night in and night out at the four and it puts Odom on the bench where he can ravage other teams’ second units and stabilize the bench. For obvious reasons, Thomas can’t do that, and especially can’t duplicate the fact that Bynum simply overpowers 90% of the centers in the league.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
eloquently put
but thats really wayyy too many words for something so obvious :)
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
it's not nonsence
maybe eloquent put but I could say the same thing about your post..it’s nonsense but it isn’t just a different point of view. One thing I do agree with you on is the offensive mismatch Bynum causes for Gasol to have. That’s all.
Also in regards to using Gasol on five’s and that not being an efficient way of using his talents, why not? He is supposed to play defense. How is it not efficient?
Finally I want to point out that all i’m referring to is defense and most of the things you mentioned involve Bynum’s offensive game. Not all but most. I’m not referring to Bynum’s offense. I’m talking about his defense and that Thomas is better in that aspect.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well to quote Will Smith.......
“You know I’ve got nothing but love for you”, but…..
Tyrus Thomas>Bynum = nonsense.
Love your new quote though =)
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
thnx
nothing personal…just a different opinion. it’s all good. I like the Will Smith reference.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 6, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
pound for pound, Thomas may be a better defender
but this team doesn’t need another guy to defend the four spot. We have a combination of Lamar, Pau, and Ron Ron for that. What we need is a big paint presence and Thomas does not offer us that unless he plans on growing 4 inches and packing on some weight in the near future.
No, Tyrus Thomas can NOT defend guys like Dwight Howard or Greg Oden. Hell he probably can’t even check Perkins, Chandler, Okafor, or Chris Kaman.
I can understand the argument of trading Bynum for a guy like Perkins or Oden. They are much bigger paint presences and better rebounders than he is. Bynum for Thomas? NONSENSE.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
it's not NONSENSE.
oh well. We have to agree to disagree. BTW…Bynum can’t defend Howard or Oden either. It’s gasol’s presence that helps him on defense.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 5, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
You'd rather have Gasol guard centers than Bynum
For 35+ minutes a night? When Gasol is our best pick-and-roll defender (with the exception of LO when he’s engaged) and thus far more useful guarding fours (and especially perimeter-oriented fours)? Bynum is much better suited for pounding with centers in the post, and regardless of how you’re attempting to frame this, size is by far the determining factor here.
And in any case, about half of my post was about defense; the comments on offense were just to illustrate the vast chasm that separates Bynum and Thomas in that regard. As a team, the Lakers are currently 14th in offensive efficiency and 3rd in defensive efficiency. The latter is by far an improvement on last year (and is slightly skewed by the leads our bench gives up in blowouts) — Artest is a reason for that, but as I illustrated above, the reason he can be effective is due to Bynum’s presence, which is definitely why we’re a better defensive team that last year. If anything, the offense needs to get up to par, and part of that is getting more consistent scoring out of our non-Kobe backcourt.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Yes I would.
And I’m not really trying to phrase it any other way than you are. Size is overrated in comparison to heart. Example, Dennis Rodman, Bill Russell, Laimber, on and on and on. That is like saying that speed is the determing factor for guards and defense yet Bowen, Christie and Raja Bell have been slow but great defenders. Size is a benefit that Bynum has but he lacks the heart to play defense.
I don’t care about Bynum’s offense. It doesn’t matter. This is about defense. Artest is effective because of Bynum and Gasol not just because of Bynum.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 5, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Except that all those guys
Had the smarts to play extremely well defensively. For instance, Rodman didn’t magically corral rebounds — he knew everything about where to be, how to jostle for proper position, and how to effectively box out larger players. You don’t learn that through a sudden epiphany; it takes years of dedicated work at it. Bynum has at least shown that he has the proper work ethic to improve parts of his game; someone with no heart wouldn’t have developed a post game as good as his. On the other hand, Thomas hasn’t improved at all really since coming into the league. What makes you think he’s going to suddenly transform into this defensive monster that is going to put us over the top?
Oh, and offense matters, if you didn’t notice. For instance, Charlotte can defend as well as us (second in defensive efficiency); they simply can’t put the ball in the net (28th in offensive efficiency), which tends to be a problem. Marginally increasing our defense at the cost of one of more efficient scorers isn’t a blueprint for success when our offense isn’t on par now. The notion that offense doesn’t matter is complete bogus; it’s the same line of thought that said that Phoenix was bad during the SSOL days because they didn’t play defense. Two WCFs (both lost due to injury or suspension, not the defense) are not a failure by any means whatsoever.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
It's not about Smarts or athletic ability
Priority number one about defense is to care. YOu have to want to do it and based on Bynum’s performances he cares more about offense than defense.
You took the second comment about offense waaaaaay out of context. Go back an read it. Maybe it will make sense to you this way.
FOR THIS CURRENT LAKERS TEAM the Lakers don’t need Bynum’s offense. They need his defense. If you do a poll on SSR and ask everyone what Bynum needs to improve on and I am willing to bet you that everyone will say DEFENSE! You cannot put that on his injuries either because if that was the case then he wouldn’t be performing so well offensively. He just cares more about offense than defense. Why is that so hard to understand? That being said, Thomas is better fit DEFENSIVELY! for this Laker team.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 6, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
I only see something on the NETS that I like
Rafer Alston
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
The Lakers SHOULD jump at any opportunity to trade most of the bench
I’m sure we’d trade Walton, Ammo, and Sasha for anything cheap right now.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Also
I got to add that if the Lakers can get Tyrus thomas for any combination of bench players I would love that. Hell, the Lakers played last year with a 3 man rotation at the point and Phil just substituted which ever player matched up better why can’t he do the same with the PF position.
But I know the biggest help needed for the Lakers is at PG. So as I said earlier, a man can dream right? we all want a lot of things…
I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:36 AM PST reply actions
He won't do that with the four because that's not efficient rotation minutes
He would be in a time-share with Gasol and Odom for frontcourt minutes, and he’s definitely not taking any minutes from either of them.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Only one person can back me up on this......
but I said in November of 07, verbatim, “if the Lakers got Pau Gasol, they’d be deadly.” I only said that to one person and I’m regretting it, because I’d have all the bragging rights in the world.
So I’m gonna go on the same hunch about two years later. The Lakers should make a trade for, are you ready for it, Kirk Hinrich.
He’s a decent defender, and even though he’s not the biggest guard out on the court, he’s damn smart. And the Lakers need a smart guard coming off the bench. I love Farmar and Breezy in the backcourt together, but imagine if you put Hinrich’s intelligence with Shannon’s athleticism…
Think about it…… Kirk Hinrich. (note: I don’t know what his contract looks like, so this may be completely unattainable)
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
That would be a great trade
again, the only and most important issue is money and the implications it would have on the tax for going over the salary cap.
Hinrich’s contract:
09/10 – $9.5 10/11 – $9.0 – 11/13 – $9.0
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
that would be sweet,
i gained alot of respect for hinrich last season, hes actually a really good defender.
Great, im getting excited now. Come on Mitch!!!1
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 4, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Hinrich has been one of the people I've wanted to see in a Lakers uni for a while
But he’s been pretty awful so far this year. Not sure I want to be saddled with that huge contract for a rather mediocre player.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
in the triangle he would be able to pick and choose his spots
Plus he would be open a lot more on offense then he currently is.
I dont know about his contract but im sure its a bit overpaid or alot.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
He's being paid $9.5 million
That’s way overpaid. And it hasn’t really mattered whether Hinrich has had open looks this year — he’s been bricking open and contested shots alike.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
i guess i should watch more bulls games.
Its still early maybe hes just in a bit of a slump. But with a contract like that he not worth it.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
You're still doing your best to make good on it, eh?
Only one person can back me up on this……
but I said in November of 07, verbatim, "if the Lakers got Pau Gasol, they’d be deadly." I only said that to one person and I’m regretting it, because I’d have all the bragging rights in the world.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
FYI....Best Site to get Salary Information
This site is the best at showing a break down of players salaries and it is also the simplest to understand:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions
Eh, I'd prefer ShamSports
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I gotta try that.
is that the actual site? do you have the link?
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Here's another
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/09-10salaries.htm
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Thank you both!
I like new information like that.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
thank you.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
The lakers are fine
just let the expiring contracts go up and see what starting point guard is out there for free agency and get some role players
i beg to differ...
best salary site is http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/
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by LAKESHOWrydamee on Dec 4, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions
thnx for the link. I'll check that out for sure.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
two things say money is not the issue...
one is the fact that dr. buss said, on record, that he will pay whatever as long as we’re winning rings.
two is the fact that last season, it was mentioned that the LakeShow clears over 5 million per home game in the playoffs. $10,000 floor seats can do that for you.
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by LAKESHOWrydamee on Dec 4, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions
money is second to winning, yes
however, if you already have a good chance at winning, why not shed some salary?
Frankly, with the way jordan & shannon has been playing lately (in the 2nd quarters), they make pretty decent backup guards. there’s no reason so spend extra $$ to improve upon them.
they better not get rid of shannon
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I know
that is my feeling exactly.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
he is a fan favorite,
i dont see the lakers getting rid of him no way, plus hes not very expensive and he still has alot of upside.
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by true_lakerfan on Dec 4, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think one would lump Shannon Brown with Lamar Odom.
Players I find interesting: Chris Duhon, Joe Alexander, Dorell Wright, Rasual Butler, and Mike Conley (I’m not totally sold, but he is in the doghouse in Memphis). That’s pretty much it. I like Dontell Jefferson, but not many people are fans of the D-League.
Hmmm
No on Duhon (worst shooting PG in the NBA), yes on Alexander (if we can sign him as a FA in the off-season for the minimum to take Ammo’s place), no on Wright (clueless), no on Butler (logjam at our wing positions), no on Conley (we would have to sign an offer sheet). I think there’s a good chance that Farmar will continue to improve. I don’t know if he’ll improve enough for an opponent to sign him to an offer sheet that we can’t match. Even if Shannon’s efficiency improves, I think he’ll exercise his option to stay with the team next season. I don’t see him suddenly getting so much better that another team will pay him a ton. I also think we’ll re-sign D-Fish for considerably less than he earns now.
by The Dude Abides on Dec 4, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
You don't like Duhon? I think he's more system than a freelancer. I love Alexander's
upside. I still can’t believe that the Bucks didn’t pick up his option. My picks were more about trade options than free agent signings after the season.
Eh, I can see where you're coming from
Duhon fulfills two basic needs — he can hit threes and defend — but he’s been pretty horrid so far this year. New York may be a bad spot for him right now with more minutes that he can handle, but he should be performing better if we are actually considering giving him rotation minutes.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Oh, and totally agree on Alexander
His upside is huge, and I can’t imagine playing behind Jefferson and Mbah a Moute was good for his development. If he’s available for the minimum, I’d take him in a heartbeat.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
can this be done?
is this trade possible?
jordan farmar + sasha or ammo to sota for ramon sessions?
sota gets someone to help with their triangle then we get a good replacement for an aging d-fish
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