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I'm a big fan of NBA League Pass, the NBA's subscription package that allows you to watch virtually ALL of the NBA games being played on any given night. I'm a Lakers fan, and I don't live in southern California; without League Pass, I would be limited to only those games played on national television. Granted, it's the Lakers, so I'd get more games than fans of some other teams, but it would nonetheless be a fraction of what I get with League Pass.

I'm an even bigger fan of League Pass Broadband, the internet-based version of League Pass. It fits my needs perfectly, and if you ask me, it's an awesome product.

Of course, there's a catch: Any game that is either (a) nationally televised, or (b) locally televised in your area (as determined by your IP address) will be blacked out on League Pass. This is completely understandable. The NBA would destroy its partnerships with TNT, ESPN, ABC, etc., if it undercut them. They'd have to be idiots to do that. So I understand the blackouts. Besides, it's not like it's that hard to find a TV with TNT or ESPN.

But then there's NBATV.

That's right, games shown on NBATV are blacked out on League Pass. It's asinine, it makes no sense, and it's a huge disservice to League Pass customers. So I propose a boycott, of sorts.

Details after the jump.

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The asinine thing about this ridiculous practice is that the NBA is, apparently, competing against itself. Remember, blacking out games shown on TNT, ESPN, ABC, etc., makes sense, because showing those games would undercut their partners. Who are they undercutting if they show NBATV games on League Pass? Themselves?

Think of it this way: If they show nationally televised games on League Pass, then TNT, ESPN, or ABC would lose viewers to League Pass, and they can't do that. But how does that apply to NBATV? If they show NBATV games on League Pass, then the NBA loses viewers to... the NBA.

See what I mean? It's ridiculous.

But the really absurd part is that by doing this, they're forcing us to buy both products. They're saying, "Hey, check this out: We're offering a product that lets you watch NBA games! ... Oh hey, check this out: We're offering ANOTHER product that does exactly the same thing as the first! You should buy them both!!"

Right.

I'm not getting NBATV, because it's substantially more expensive than League Pass. I can afford League Pass Broadband; I cannot afford NBATV.

So this is my petition:

Dear NBA,

Please stop trying to sell us two products that do the same thing. Please stop trying to pretend that you lose anything by "competing against" or "undercutting" yourself. Please stop trying to pretend that there is any good reason to black out games also showing on NBATV.

In short: Please let us watch on League Pass and League Pass Broadband those games which are also showing on NBATV.

Sincerely,

NBA Fans Who Think League Pass Is Awesome

Now on to other issues.

 

The Problem for Lakers Fans

The problem with NBATV goes a step further for Lakers fans, and it's all about these "Fan Night" Tuesdays. See, every week, fans can get online and vote for which of the games showing on the upcoming Tuesday night (excluding those already scheduled for other national networks) they want to see on NBATV.

If the Lakers aren't playing, that often means the best game on the schedule will be selected (and by "best game" I mean the one viewers think will be most competitive). However, if the Lakers are playing, it doesn't matter if they're playing the Celtics or the Nets — that's the game that will be voted in that Tuesday night.

Which means that when the Lakers play on Tuesday nights, myself and millions of Lakers fans like me don't get to see the game.

Last year, I complained about this problem to Matt Moore, who is decidedly not a Lakers fan. His response was classic: That's what you get for having a huge, bandwagon fan base. He was right, of course.

 

The Solution for Lakers Fans

However, it has occurred to me that that swings both ways. Currently, our huge fan base is the reason the Lakers get voted into "Fan Night" Tuesdays whenever they play on Tuesday. But what if we could leverage our huge fan base to keep the Lakers off of "Fan Night" Tuesdays?

Simple enough, right? All we have to do is get as many Lakers fans as we can to vote for another game — as in, any game except the Lakers.

There is one catch: We must all vote for the same other game, to ensure that that game will be the one that shows, rather than the Lakers game.

To this end, Silver Screen & Roll will be taking point. Whenever the Lakers play on a Tuesday night, we will organize the movement to boycott the Lakers on NBATV Tuesdays. We will determine which game is likely to be the most enticing after the Lakers game, and we will announce that game as the one to vote for.

Then it is up to you! Once we announce the game, you must go vote for it. Hopefully, this will keep the Lakers off of NBATV "Fan Night" Tuesdays as much as possible.

For the non-Lakers fans out there, don't see this as unfair. We're really not gaining any advantage by organizing ourselves; we're simply balancing out what was previously a disadvantage. This simply means that on nights where the only reason the Lakers would be selected is because of our overwhelming fan base, we counteract that. On nights where they're truly the best game not already nationally televised, and where they'd be selected not only by our fans, but by the majority of all NBA fans, I'm certain that "you" will outnumber "us". So it will be that the Lakers, like every other team, will only get voted into NBATV "Fan Night" Tuesdays when the majority of the entire NBA fan base, and not just the Lakers' fan base, want to see them on NBATV.

And hopefully, one day, the NBA will stop pretending that "competing against itself" matters, and will show NBATV games on League Pass as well.

In the meantime, look for our announcements! If we organize ourselves, we can make this NBATV "Fan Night" Tuesday thing work the way it was intended to, for everybody.

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i'm in!

I’m in on this. If you post a reminder of some sort on the main page prior to the voting I’ll do it. I think that it would also be interesting if you include a poll to see the type of turn out you get. Anytime I get a chance to go up against The Man! I’m in.

I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 3, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure how I feel about this one.......

I certainly agree that the NBA shouldn’t block NBALP when there is a game on NBATV. However I am not sure about the boycott idea. What about the people that have NBATV but not NBALP? Like me. I get KCAL and FSW, but that could change since I don’t really live in LA. My cable company provides them because of our proximity to LA and lots of LA sports fans around here, but that could change of course.

I will support the community and not vote for the NBATV games, but I just think for everyone that is helped by this someone else gets screwed.

Am I wrong on that one Josh??? Not really sure how the system works.

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by pslakerfan on Dec 3, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Think of it this way

This balances out the Lakers fans, and leaves the decision up to general NBA fans.

If the majority of ALL NBA fans (not just Lakers fans) think the Lakers game is the best one, our numbers won’t be enough to outweigh that.

But if the rest of the NBA doesn’t think it’s a game worthy of seeing on NBATV, they’ll be voting for something else … and Lakers fans will vote for the Lakers game, and we’ll just be counteracting some of that.

So the end result is just to make it more fair.

Don’t think of it as trying to keep the Lakers off of NBATV always and at all costs, and don’t think of it as us trying to organize ourselves to outweigh everyone. Just think of it as us taking the Lakers advantage out of the process.

That way, if we get voted in — and we still will, sometimes — it was done fairly, and not just because there’s more of us.

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by Josh Tucker on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, as far as I remember

NBA TV was free on fan nights (I don’t have cable right now). Since the average Laker fan is probably likely to pay for neither NBATV or NBA league pass, I believe you are out of luck when it comes to this boycott.

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by Justin N. on Dec 3, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree but...

I have Dish Network and I get NBATV for free but not Leage Pass lol. Pretty weird

by desecrator09 on Dec 3, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

League pass is simply not worth it if you're a Laker's fan.

Between the ESPN, ABC, TNT, NBATV, and possible fan night games that’s like half their season blocked out. On top of that, it’s the good half of the season. So you get to pay to watch the Lakers play the Grizzlies, the Bobcats, and the Timberwolves? No thank you NBA League Pass.

In fact, I am thankful for the Laker’s bandwagon fanbase. It ensures that, no matter what, you’ll be able to find a decent bootleg somewhere on the internet for every game they play. I tried to watch the Miami Orlando game online last night and it took me about 10 minutes to find a feed, which promptly went down sometime during a competitive fourth quarter. Laker games? I always get high quality, clear and non laggy feeds. Are they as good as the league pass feeds? No, but they are free, and they cover all of the games.

I can totally see where you’re coming from on this, but I think it’d just be better to boycott league pass all together. I don’t get why they can’t just broadcast the ESPN / TNT shows with their commercials and everything on “black out” nights.

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by Justin N. on Dec 3, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

can you help me...

…find these decent bootlegs? Im always scurrying on here hoping for a link wich isnt always available, especially for the televised only in LA games— any tips on how you find them?

thanks, Capt. $hugg

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by Captain $hugg on Dec 4, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I had LP Broadband last summer, and had this same problem every Tuesday night. It makes no sense whatsoever.

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by tandur on Dec 3, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

I agree, but...

I happen to agree with the silly blackout policy between league pass and NBATV.

However, as a Dish Network customer, I get NBATV for free… I’m going to continue to vote for the Lakers to play in that game every week so that I can watch it on my giant HD TV in my living room and not on my computer monitor. Sorry.

by S0uthie on Dec 3, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

i hate you!

j/k. I have TW and there is no option to get NBA TV on HD….bastards!

I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 3, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I have Time Warner Cable aka Windjammer Cable or whatever it is now. Plus, I live

in Idaho. Spanks very much military! Anyway, I was going to buy NBA TV but its $13 extra on the bill a month. For one friggin’ channel. Pass. I would get league pass but the Lakers seem to always be national television. So I’m pretty much indifferent on this cause. I’ll vote though.

by E-ROC on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

Your situation seems strange to me

The scenario you are describing sounds somewhat strange to me.

In Phoenix, with the digital cable service COX, I believe the sports tier that includes NBATV is only an additonal $5.

NBA League Pass is $168.

I don’t experience your problem because I bought both. Plus I don’t like the Lakers that much.

I wonder why there is such a regional price difference?

by Stanko Z on Dec 3, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

Im down

i also have league pass broad band (a great product) and i never get to watch the tuesday games. ill make sure to vote everyweek but if a reminder was posted would be nice. even a tweet could get us all watchin laker games on tuesday night

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by Czheck on Dec 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

I don't agree but..

I live in Puerto Rico and have DirectTv, so I get TNT, NBATv, ABC and ESPN in the same package, so for me NBATv is “free”. League pass would be as you say “substancially more expensive” for me as someone said League Pass is $168. But I do symphatize with your situation, last year we had lots of Lakers Fan Nights at the begginning of the season, but after a while they took the Lakers game option so no one could vote for them, and I was one of the angry Lakers fan that wasn’t able to watch all those Tuesday games.

by Yadira on Dec 3, 2009 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

Stupid

You need to complain to your cable/television provider.
With Cox Communications in Nebraska, this is a part of our expanded digital cable.

by Joebraska on Dec 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, it's part of my Time Warner package as well.

But like I said above I get KCAL and FSW so it doesn’t matter. KCAL non HD picture is crap though.

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Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Dec 3, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Some information for you, Josh. International League Pass doesn’t black out games, even though many countries have NBA TV channels. I wonder how they justify changing the rules for the foreign fans.

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by LatinD on Dec 3, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

id get league pass broadband

but the stupid NBA blacks out all the laker games….ggrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr!!!!!
well at least theres KCAL so i can watch a little less than half the season on TV.

Leave Chad Billingsley alone!!!

by shaqfor3 on Dec 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

I have the league pass and Nba tv is a part of that subscription very weird that you guys dont get it…

by lakeshow8 on Dec 3, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry Josh can't help you on this one

I live in South Texas and we have Spurs on FSW ugh. I would get league pass but can’t afford it now. So I only have ABC, TNT, NBATV & FSW when the Lakers play the Spurs. So I get to watch less than half of the Laker games! I understand your point and your right but I don’t have the luxury to watch the games on Kcal or catch the game on radio for that matter. Sorry Josh I’m going to have to sit out this one.

by Ray DLC on Dec 3, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions  

Competing with itself?

Your argument for not blacking out games on LeaguePass is flawed. Obviously if the league showed NBATV games on League Pass it would be losing something, namely, all of the money it gets from NBATV subscribers who would be incentivized to cancel their NBATV subscriptions. They’d also be losing out on money from advertisers when a bunch of the potential viewers are watching it online instead. No need to “pretend” there’s a good reason to black the games out, there’s obviously a good reason to do it.

by Duhhhh on Dec 3, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

NBALP vs. NBATV

So what about all the people — some of whom have posted comments — that say they’re getting League Pass because of the access to NBATV? How substantial is that number? I’m just asking.

Anyways, then there are people like me, who have no cable/satellite subscription — because I refuse to pay nearly $1000/yr for something I use for 3 or 4 channels — who have no access to NBATV whatsoever. I have NBALP Broadband, and have absolutely zero recourse when it comes to NBATV games. I can however happily watch ESPN and now some TNT games directly from those partners online. So what about folks like me? What’s the reason for blacking us out without recourse?

by j-smoove on Dec 4, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

League Pass/NBATV

With cable I either got NBATV included with League Pass or paid a small fee for the sports tier to get it. With satellite now NBATV is included. NBATV gets a national advert base, and the out-of-market fans aren’t going to patronize the local advertisers on the League Pass feeds. So they’ll keep the Fan Nights going. My issue is that the broadcasting is awful. When the Lakers are blowing someobody out, as usual, they have most of the screen occupied with the talking heads, wile the game is in a small window. I just object to them making me watch a talk show instead of the game.

by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 3, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

First off welcome

This is a first for me at least I never met anyone who was a fan of both….if you don’t mind, you gotta explain your name and how you became a fan of both teams.

The million dollar question is: When both teams play each other, who do you root for? “the winner” is not an answer either.. : )

I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 3, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I grew up in LA watching the Lakers. Moved to NYC in the 70s and kept loving the Lakers. Moved to Boston in 89 and rooted for the local team, as well as the Lakers. I moved to Colorado in 2007, just b4 the Celtics won the championship. Just my luck. I usually went to the one Laker-Celtic game in Boston each season. For all those years I lived there the Lakes and Celts never played a game that meant anything. No question that when the two played I rooted for the Lakers. But I don’t think an NBA season is complete without a Lakers-Celtics finals. I hope Garnett can help the Celts go to the finals this year, else Kobe may never have the chance to do what all great Lakers aspire to do: win a ring from the Celts. I love the game and want to see it played at the highest level, and right now it’s possible that the Lakers and Celtics will provide the best the NBA can offer. I will love the basketball and hope both teams play great and the purple and gold will provide. I still hate that Leprechaun!

by celticandlakerfanreally on Dec 4, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad so sad!

Well normally I would absolutely love any NBA policy or practice that upsets Laker fans. However, this will effect my beloved Celtics as well. So NBA officials and Uuuuuuuu Stern! You…u…evil dictator of the game of the gods..!!….pay attention. You cAn’t alienate fans. You used to have those great Saturday and Sunday morning games on CBS NBC abc when I was a kid in the 80’s….also local coverage was free! So I don’t know how the NBA can withhold teams being telivised or not with out a conscience. No fan should be..
Not enen the lakers.

by 17green on Dec 4, 2009 1:04 AM PST reply actions  

NBA TV is Turner

The implication of this article is that NBATV is strictly an NBA project. It’s not; the league sold the network to TNT in 2007. So the NBA would be undercutting one of their broadcast partners if they showed games on NBATV on League Pass.

by The_Real_Mike on Dec 4, 2009 7:49 AM PST reply actions  

I really understand the dilemma Josh

I am one of those people who votes for the Lakers when they do appear on Fan night, I also have both NBATV and League Pass, I don’t have broadband League Pass because I can’t afford all of them but I do agree with you, the league pass is great and especially since I’m in GA so I don’t know if this boycott will work but I will help.

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by BrittneyM on Dec 4, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

NBATV

I moved to Utah from So. Cal. 4 years ago and I have Dish network with NBA league pass. I get all of the games on NBA TV. You might check with your provider to see what the problem is because I have no black outs at all except Jazz home games and when they play the Lakers I go to those games.

by jdcrosier on Dec 7, 2009 6:37 AM PST reply actions  

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