Tyrus Thomas & Hinrich for Vujacic, Farmar & Morrison - Trade Proposal
by Granny Waiters on Dec 14, 2009 4:40 PM PST
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Hello Lakers fans,
Since your guys will probably beat ours (Bulls) by 30, 40 or 50 points tomorrow night, it seemed a good time to run this trade idea by you.
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/ and Trade ID #5323914 or http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycdqwl9
Why the Lakers do it:
- Tyrus Thomas (TT) is very talented, but the Bulls have been awful at developing players. Since Phil Jackson & Co. >> Vinny del Negro & Co., TT could likely be developed into a defensive force and acceptably good offensive player.
- Kirk Hinrich has shot like garbage this year, but will likely rebound at some point. He can help keep Fisher's regular season minutes down. Hinrich has acceptable ball handling, and would be a good defensive back-court complement to Kobe.
- The Lakers championship window is now and the remainder of Kobe's prime, and the three players they give up are not part of the essential team core.
- Buss is willing to spend to win, so the Lakers can take on the additional $2M in salary. The Lakers also will not be under the cap next summer, irregardless of this trade.
Why the Bulls do it:
- They need to cut salary to have a chance at signing a 2010 free agent to a max contract. This season is already a loss, so it does not matter if Adam Morrison contributes nothing.
- Jerry Reinsdorf is too cheap to exceed the salary cap, so the $2M saved could be used to pick up a veteran 3-point shooter the Bulls desperately need. Sasha Vujacic is also better at 3-point shooting than anyone currently on the Bulls roster.
- Jordan Farmar replaces Hinrich at a much more reasonable salary for a back-up guard.
- Jerry Reinsdorf has a personal dislike of TT, so the Bulls will likely let him walk for nothing next summer if he is not traded by the deadline. (See Ben Gordon.)
What do you think?
P.S. Since the Bulls will not win the championship this season, I am rooting for the Lakers to win no. 11 for Phil.
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Hell! Yeah!
I would do this trade. The thought of getting hinrich and thomas is awesome. Will never happen though. : (
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions
This post has to be a prank...
I know the Bulls hate their team, but that’s ridiculous…
Farmar = a decent player, but a backup PG
Sasha = overpaid garbage
Morrison = expiring garbage
for Lottery Pick Tyrus Thomas and the Object of Lust in Many Quarters Kirk Hinrich?
Ha ha.
Gotta be a joke.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
No, the joke is our owner, Jerry Reinsdorf.
He let Ben Gordon, a #3 pick and the team’s best player go for NOTHING because “Gordon would not get playing time behind Rose, Hinrich and Salmons”. The team’s mouthpieces (Neil Funk & Stacey King) have been talking Taj Gibson up like a starter, when he should be a 9th man. Reinsdorf will NOT let Paxson re-sign TT.
Sasha may be overpaid garbage, but he is better than the current alternatives on the Bulls – Jannero Pargo and Lindsey “AARP” Hunter.
Personally, I would give up anything short of Rose, Noah or a top 6 lottery pick to ship out Hinrich.
“This isn’t a bad idea” – your friendly Bulls Blogger http://www.blogabull.com/2009/12/14/1200769/tyrus-thomas-hinrich-for-vujacic#comments
A prank post would be to trade Buss for Reinsdorf – PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 14, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
where can i sign up?
i will take this trade in a heartbeat any day of the week!!!!
Leave Chad Billingsley alone!!!
lol hilarious!
A prank post would be to trade Buss for Reinsdorf
Hinrich is required to create his own shot and unlike the Bulls offense in LA he would become a spot up shooter which I think he will be more effective in. Second, he can defend better than Farmar. I could imagine brining hin Hinrich, LO and Tyrus Thomas for Kobe/Fisher, Bynum and Gasol or something like that.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
now that would a worthy trade...
the trade would bring life back into hinrich and TT. Playing for a winning team does marvels. Our bench would tear through other benches. If it was even slightly possible i would hope buss would do it.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Dec 15, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Are BE regulars still pissed
That Miller was their consolation prize in the summer instead of Hinrich? Seems like more and more of a huge oversight as Portland’s PG situation this year has indicated.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
There's one or two prolific posters who are Hinrich honks, but the guard getting the hate isn't Miller, it's Blake...
And this season Hinrich is looking to many like a big, overpriced Blake.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Yes, please.
I would do this trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Well, the obvious answer is "yes"
Buss has been money-conscious ever since Bynum signed his extension (although it’s a bit more explainable when you have a league-leading payroll and a championship squad already; the BaB rants against Reinsdorf are totally legitimate), but even he would probably be willing to take on the additional salary for this kind of trade. Hinrich is a huge upgrade defensively over any of our current PGs, he’s the type of big guard that Phil likes, and I’m fairly certain his shooting is a deviation from his career norms (the fact Chicago doesn’t run any real offensive sets beyond the high screen for Rose doesn’t help either, but anyways). Getting Thomas is just icing on the cake, as he’ll just replace Powell in his cameo minutes off the bench (although BaB regulars will likely light themselves on fire if he develops any of his potential in LA while being horribly underdeveloped the past few years in Chicago).
The only question is Chicago’s willingness to actually make this trade. I know Thomas is already on his way out of town, much to the consternation of BaB regulars, but are Reinsdorf, Paxson, and Forman ready to part with Hinrich? I recall reading one time or another that reluctance to trade Hinrich stemmed from loyalty that Paxson felt towards him or something of the sort. This season is already essentially lost; even if Vinny gets the much-deserved hatchet, I can’t imagine the team working that much harder for Bickerstaff to get into the playoffs, especially given the much-documented shooting woes and Salmons’ regression. The only thing to play for now is a high lottery pick and more cap space, so it makes sense for Chicago to make a cost-cutting move like this; making sense, however, often isn’t enough to get something done in the NBA.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 14, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
no way
never..
hinrich makes 9 mill
bynum 13 mil
gasol 15 mill
kobe 20 + milll
lamar 9 mill
artest 6 mill
thats wayy too much invested in 6 players
agree. i don't think mitch will make the deal
The point guard situation is improving (farmar is being somewhat productive for their respective salaries and as 7th option). At least, it’s not enough to trade expiring contracts for an additional 9 mil. Fish starts and will take the major PG minutes during the playoffs b/c of his experience with the team (something Hinrich cannot offer). Do you really want to pay 9 mil for a backup PG and something like 7th option?
Hinrich is a huge upgrade defensively
That’s the main crux of it. Also, he has demonstrated a legitimate stroke from three-point range, although his numbers this year are deceptive because of Chiago’s malaise and a wrist injury. Also, Fisher is going to have 25-30 minutes in the playoffs at most, and even despite that, Hinrich is capable of matching against two guards (hell, he can guard threes as well; watch him check Pierce for the entire Boston series last year), so he will still be on the floor. Combine that with Kobe, Artest, Odom, and Gasol being able to play multiple positions, and that’s a lot of flexibility. Getting Thomas is simply gravy, although he’s a big upgrade over Powell.
The deal makes a lot of sense basketball-wise; only question is whether Buss wants to spend that much long-term money, although Hinrich’s deal is front-loaded, so it declines year-to-year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
if it happens though, i doubt it will be for this year
if you want hinrich to play significant minutes, he’s going to have to be fairly adept at the triangle.
still, i just don’t see the trade happening on a practical level. i doubt either the lakers (costly hinrich) or chicago (vujacic contract) are willing to do such a thing.
He doesn't neccessarily have to be completely adept at the triangle
Most of what is necessary is simply to understand the reads and positioning, and a player with a high basketball IQ like Hinrich won’t take an overly long time to adjust. Same thing happened with Gasol when he came from Memphis and made an immediate impact. Naturally, he’ll get better as he becomes more familiar with the triangle, but trying to say that he’s not going to get minutes because he doesn’t have the offense memorized is silly.
Also, the only holding points in a deal like this going through are Chicago’s willingness to put Hinrich on the market (which they’ll inevitably have to do if they want to be players in the 2010 market) and the Lakers’ willingness to absorb Hinrich’s salary. Chicago doesn’t care about getting Vujacic’s contract back because it’s cheaper in the long-run than Hinrich and gives them more financial flexibility in the off-season.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Not saying Hinrich will struggle with it
But Gasol and Hinrich are apples and oranges. Both smart players, but the triangle is a lot easier for a post player than it is for a wing, at least in terms of coming in and being successful without being totally comfortable with it.
I think if the trade was made, and I can’t understand why Chicago would make it because there has to be a better market for those players than this, Hinrich would be reduced in our offense to little more than a spot up shooter while he figured things out for a while. And in the short term, the Lakers would actually be worse off becuase Hinrich and Brown would be expected to play together, and neither one would know how to initiate the offense. Obviously there are ways to counter that effect (Lamar initiates, or Hinrich starts and Fisher initiates off the bench), and the the end product would almost certainly be a better overall team, but just plugging Hinrich in for Farmar is a bad move at this point.
As far as the market goes
I don’t really think that they have a better market because the only teams willing to take on Hinrich’s contract are contending teams with no 2010 aspirations. Chicago has to dump any combination of Hinrich, Deng, or Salmons to have adequate 2010 room.
As far as the short term integration, I agree that there’s a learning practice, but you have Fisher and Kobe in the backcourt to initiate the offense, as Hinrich has comfortably played the off-guard for most of the previous years with Rose, as well as Odom on the bench. Considering that one of those three is nearly always going to be on the floor, it becomes less of an overall problem, although again, I concur that there will be a short term drop-off in execution as Hinrich becomes adjusted to the triangle. That said, when you compare Hinrich’s defensive acumen against what Fisher, Farmar, and Brown offers us, it’s a huge disparity, so if there is an immediate impact, it will be felt there.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 15, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don't see it as a good fit.
Don’t get me wrong, Fisher vs. Hinrich is no contest in Hinrich’s favor, regardless of the fact that both players have shot the ball attrociously so far this year. And the prospect of having a defensive backcourt of Hinrich, Bryant, and Artest is simply unreal. But, despite the defensive struggles of the PG position, the Lakers are one of the best defensive teams in the league. It’s surprisingly on offense that they have yet to put things together.
And this trade would hurt the Lakers on offense beyond just the interim learning period. I have no problem believing that Hinrich’s slump will not last forever, especially considering his circumstances in Chicago’s moribund offense. The problem is that we would be replacing a piece (Farmar) that fits into his role for one that doesn’t. The issue here is Fisher. For all that some people might want Fisher to play less, I firmly believe he has to play his minutes with the starters, where the brilliance of the other 4 starters hides his offensive and defensive weaknesses, and also allows him to to provide his only positive influence on the Lakers at this point, as a veteran presence at the end of games. If Hinrich comes in, and Fisher gets moved to the bench so that Hinrich can apply his defensive ability and be “hidden” on offense, it leaves Fisher to get his time with the 2nd unit.
Fisher and Brown together on the 2nd unit sounds disasterous to me. I know that you will still have Kobe or Artest along with Lamar and an All-Star big, but that lineup seems almost as weak offensively as the units we were seeing before Gasol came back. This lineup completely reduces Brown’s effectiveness, because he no longer has anybody to run with, and his shooting has been very suspect lately. You are left with a defense that can completely pack it in and only have to really pay attention to one shooter on the outside (either Bryant or Artest). Maybe Sasha replacing Brown could alleviate that issue, but then you are getting into making a ridiculous number of changes just to replace Farmar with Hinrich in the rotation. At what point do you just say “It’s not worht it.”
Hinrich would be perfect for the triangle
He’s a combo guard. That allows Phil to play with different lineups each night. Plus Hinrich is a stud. I love that guy. I said in another post that Hinrich would be a perfect fit for the Lakers as a backup. He can move the ball, he’s intelligent (meaning he will pick up the triangle a lot quicker than most guards), he doesn’t need to shoot the ball that much to be affective and has good defense.
It’s too bad we can’t afford him. But getting rid of Sasha would be awesome. I hate him…… so……… much……
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
he isnt a huge upgrade. Considering he’d still only play 15 mins max per game. 9 million dollars is alot to pay for an upgrade.
don’t get me wrong i’d prefer him over sasha, but the cost may not necessarily be worth it.
In Kobe we trust!
Uh, no, he's a huge upgrade
Did you watch the Boston series last year? He’s an elite backcourt defender. By the time we got to the playoffs, he’d comfortably be taking most of Fisher’s minutes.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Dec 15, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
uh no he's not...
when you consider the lakers already have one of the best defensive teams in the league, adding another very good defender is going to make very little difference. I guarantee you if we lose in the playoffs this year we will be wishing, o man, if only we had kurt hinrich to play those 15 mins sasha/brown get.
just because someone is an upgrade doesnt mean they are worth the money. Our team is fine as it is. Everyone in the league already knows we are at the top of the league. I rather let sasha and morrison walk so that we can sign and develop our draft picks. We may be good now, but a time will come when we are going to need to start actually playing our draft picks.
In Kobe we trust!
Do you honestly believe
That Fisher, Farmar, or Brown are better defenders than Hinrich? I’m not arguing about his contract here. On a pure talent level, Hinrich is far better than any of those three, and can guard three positions. The Lakers are, yes, an elite defensive team with one key weakness that has been obvious for the last year and a half — we can’t stop point guards. Hinrich solves that. And he would be playing 25-30 minutes switching between the one and two guard by the playoff in any cases.
Is he worth $8-9 million a year? That’s another discussion altogether. But paying draft picks? What draft picks? Farmar? Vujacic? Farmar is the only legitimate discussion there, and the notion that a team would pay more than $3 million/year if we extended the QO to make him a restricted free agent is laughable. It’s extremely rare for RFAs to change teams nowadays, and with the flurry of spending next summer, no one is tying up part of their cap space for seven days to make a large enough offer that the Lakers aren’t going to match for Farmar. We don’t even have to pay for a draft pick next year as we sent it to Memphis as part of the Gasol trade, and if we pick up a useful player in the second round, they’re going to be dirt-cheap.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
based on talent alone
hell yeah! Hinrich is better than any of the three PG’s. He ripped Kobe a couple of times last nigh. Or at least he disrupted him enough to cause Kobe to take bad shots.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 16, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
But you're losing Sasha at $5M and Morrison at $5M.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I didn't even read your (Granny Waiters) points made in this article to know that I agree
100% agree and endorse this deal, hard to stay the Bulls will want those three players from the Lakers but I sure would want Hinrich and Tyrus.
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YES PLEASE
Haha GrannyWaiters you should probably not be GM of Chicago though; this is highway robbery.
I will admit to wanting to see Hinrich gone since he has been treated as the "Golden Boy" by uneducated fans and management,
while Ben Gordon was never appreciated even though he was the best player on the team.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hinrich hate?
When I watched the Boston-Chicago series last year, I thought that Hinrich was as equally valuable of a contributor as Ben Gordon (correct me if I’m wrong in that statement), even though Gordon did hit a lot of clutch shots. Anyways, watching that series put me in the Lakers fans who covet Hinrich camp. I think Kirk Hinrich is the ultimate role player (defend, shoot, assist) at the PG position for the Lakers.
Basically, to me, he is better than Farmar in almost every way (except youth and upside … but our window is NOW). Better facilitator, defender, shooter.
I know he’s shot terribly this year (he bricked quite a lot of good looks in the 4th quarter of yesterday’s Lakers/Bulls game) so I’d like to see him start shaking off the effects of injury before doing this trade, but he shores up the Lakers’ one weakness: point guard defense.
For people concerned with Hinrich ruining the chemistry of the team, I argue that Fisher should remain our starter and closer. But when DFish is sitting, I simply don’t see Hinrich as anything but an upgrade over Jordan Farmar. Doubters should consider that we won it all last year with Farmar contributing very little; losing Jordan would not derail championship aspirations.
The only concern is $. When does Hinrich’s deal expire?
Thank You
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Hinrich would be perfect for the Lakers. He’d be like a Paxson for Kerr for Phil again. Cuz if you look at the current Laker team, there are a lot of players that can be similar to that Bulls team. Kobe is Jordan of course. Lamar is like Kukoc. Artest is like Rodman with a better shot. Fisher is a smaller Ron Harper. Sasha used to be a Kerr. Pau Gasol is a much better version of Luc Longley.
Hinrich would be perfect. Damn luxury tax!
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
Hinrich has 2 more years after this season.
His salary declines each year (to $9M and $8.5M IIRC).
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 16, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
A more realistic trade
That is better for both teams but one that I’m pretty sure will not go down is Hinrich + Thomas and either some picks or a contract filler for Odom + Vujacic + Farmar.
I would do that trade, but I think Buss would decline that trade request. Even though
Hinrich offers excellent flexibility and a massive upgrade defensively, his contract would give me pause. Not to mention that Kobe will probably make an upwards of $30 million a year when given an extension. Oof! I’d do it if I was the Lakers owner, but I don’t think Buss would make the trade. How about Ramon Sessions and Damien Wilkins for Farmar and Morrison along with a bag of Kobe Bryant-signed basketballs? lol.
funny!
a bag of Kobe Bryant-signed basketballs?
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 15, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
No way, if laker fans complain about sasha and lukes contract. Hinrichs contract is even worse. The guy isnt that good, lets just face it. If you cant start over John Salmons that says it all.
In Kobe we trust!
Hinrich doesn't start
Because Salmons pouts whenever he doesn’t start, Deng has to play at the three, and Chicago obviously wants to develop Rose. Whether Hinrich is coming off the bench in Chicago is entirely irrelevant.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
new offer
sasha vujacic
jordan farmar
adam morrison
luke walton
for
hinrich
salmon
johnson
what do you think bulls fans
by crazyLakerfan001 on Dec 16, 2009 1:03 AM PST reply actions
Done deal,
as it clears the needed 2010 cap space. Hinrich and Salmons should not be in the Bulls long term plans. Hopefully, the Bulls could trade off Walton for other expiring contracts at some point.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 16, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure why we want Salmons and Johnson
When Salmons pouts when he doesn’t start, his career numbers aren’t a whole lot better than Brown’s current production, and Walton is a system guy.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
defense is what matters
we basically trade our offensive mided second unit for a couple of guys that know how to play hard nosed defense. luke is a great fit and great role player but he doesnt play any defense. the second unit tends to fade away from the triangle offense anyways. we get hinrich a great defender, salmons a great defender, and johnson potential to be a great defender. not to mention luke has four years remaining on his contract while salmons got 1. this trade is what will seperate us from the rest of the league and we might be the best team ever assembled. anyways we are fans not gms so we have no control over any of this. lets just enjoy our respective teams and boston sucks.
by crazyLakerfan001 on Dec 16, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Easy for you to say!
lets just enjoy our respective teams
That we can agree on!
and boston sucks.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 16, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hard-nosed defense?
Salmons is passable I suppose, but he’s not a huge upgrade over Brown on the defensive end either. He generally can stay in front of his man, but his effort level has much to be desired. Not sure he’s worth his contract either, as his career year last year was clearly an outlier, and he’s on the wrong side of 30, so further falloff is expected. Also, Salmons has a player option for next season, which he’s all but guaranteed to exercise because the possibility that he will opt out is practically zero, as he won’t get the same money on the open market.
Johnson is pretty bad. Walton isn’t fantastic, but he plays good defense against larger wings, and his playmaking skills are superb. Johnson hustles, but has no offensive game whatsoever and banking on his defensive potential to manifest itself when we’re on a championship run for the next few years isn’t a good prospect.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
You would trade James Johnson? Johnson is a solid. He has good handle for a player his
size. Johnson can play and defend two positions. I’d take him in a heartbeat.
agree with Ben R ...
I’d actually rather have Walton than Salmons, even though John is a more talented player. We don’t need another scorer, Luke Walton is actually a good “glue guy”, albeit overpaid.
Luke is perfect coming off the bench
because he runs the triangle from the post really good. I think the Lakers bench has really missed him.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 16, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
quick question
Would you take:
Vujacic
Morrison (expiring)
for
Hinrich
?
Or is the important part of the deal netting an affordable, developing, above-average backup PG in Farmar?
I would do that deal to clear 2010 cap space,
but it would make the Bulls really terrible with the 39-year old Hunter as the only back-up PG.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
by Granny Waiters on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
what are we going to do with farmar
if hinrich comes what do we do with farmar? i would rather trade him along with morrison and sasha if we are getting a point guard in return. and from ur orginal trade if you throw in james johnson instead of tim thomas it might be better for both of us.
by crazyLakerfan001 on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Tyrus Thomas, not Tim Thomas.
Salaries will not work if James Johnson is substituted for TT.
if you throw in james johnson instead of tim thomas it might be better for both of us.
We miss you, Ben Gordon!
offensively he does.
not on defense.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 17, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
I see that and his BB IQ is suspect, now if they throw in Taj I say Yahhhhhhhhhh
.
by so.cal.native1952 on Dec 18, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
for realz
Taj looks like he is going to be a decent player.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 18, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I would do this deal in a heart beat.
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by Chzburger Jones on Dec 20, 2009 5:48 AM PST reply actions
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