Comprehensive thoughts on the Laker's season thus far
Everyone likes bullet points, right?
- The home loss to Dallas was pretty bad, but aside from that the Lakers have started out very well. Their schedule has been easy, and they haven't been exactly toying with the opposition, but they have gotten the W's. That's all that will count past December.
- Kobe is my MVP right now, and I can confidently say that he should be yours too, even if you're a Celtics fan. For a while it was Melo, but now that Denver is no longer perfect, Kobe's superior numbers given his situation give him the edge. He's carried the Lakers, coasting along the top of the WC in Pau Gasol's absence. Some quick numbers on Kobe: 48% FG despite 23% 3pt, 83% ft, 6.3 rpg, 2.8 apg, 2.8 spg, 33.4 ppg. For comparison, Carmelo: 45% FG, 81% ft, 6.3 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 31.4ppg.
- The evolution of Kobe's game is a pleasure to watch and from what I read, eerily similar to MJ (what else is new?)
- Ron Artest is nothing but good for this team from what he's demonstrated so far. His facilitating skills are incredible and his toughness and attitude can be felt throughout the team even though he hasn't become an alpha dog yet. Part of Kobe's excellence so far I think can be attributed to having Ron on the court. Kobe's offensive explosion as well as his steal numbers (currently 2nd in the league) are indicators. I was surprised to see that Artest is not leading the Lakers in assists (he's second to Lamar (4.7) with 4.2).
- #37 also passed a very subtle, yet important early season test in the Rockets game. It was a heated game and Ron was the center of attention. He was getting booed by the crowd and you could tell by his mannerisms that he was really trying to get at Ariza. Ron even picked up a technical arguing a call. However, did Ron ever lose his head? No. On other teams he might have, but when things got fiesty Kobe went over to Ron and gave him a few words. In the end, Ron posted one of his best games on the season, made a huge clutch shot, and helped the Lakers earn a tough road win against a good team. Does this outline the rest of Artest's career as a Laker? Of course not, but it does give some indication that even when tempers flare Ron should be able to play controlled and effectively.
- By the way, what was up with the Rockets booing Ron? From what I understood, he didn't really bail out on their team. The Rockets didn't want to give him a deal longer than one year. Rockets fans are quick to forget what he did for their franchise. Did Tmac or Yao ever get them out of the first round? No, but Ron did the first year he was there. He also led them in a competitive and tough series against the Lakers last year, which helped the team blossom into what they are today. Pretty lame showing from Houston.
- People jumped on the bench prematurely when they started the season with a few bad games. This is really the first time that the team has had to play without Gasol in a long time (that makes a big difference compared to Andrew Bynum...there's more to it than just Lamar coming off the bench). Phil has worked rotations though and the bench seems to get more and more comfortable game by game. However, I will not give the bench a pass until they show that they can contribute on a tough road trip.
- On that note -- I don't watch many other teams regularly, but Luke Walton has got to be one of the biggest night/day players when it comes to playing at home and playing on the road.
- I maintain my standpoint that Shannon Brown should be our backup PG and that Farmar should be traded (preferably Sasha, if possible). Brown fits the system very well and when the team is healthy we won't need him to be a big time dribble penetration playmaker, even with the second unit. We'll have LO and either Pau or Bynum to run things out of the post. Brown's 3-ball is as good if not better than Farmar's and he is a better defender as well. I think Brown has a better future on this team as well because he seems to fit in much better with the starters than Farmar does. Plus how awesome is it when your point guard throws it down on a regular basis?
-Mbenga filling it at starting center has been great. He's outplayed everyone's expectations, including mine. His rebounding and commitment to protecting the rim has shed some light on the holes in Andrew Bynum's game. The Lakers have actually been better since AB went to the DNP list. The only thing I wish for in regards to this team is for Andrew Bynum to take more pride in his defense and his rebounding. I want him to get mad and passionate like Perkins, Garnett, and even Gasol (we've seen Gasol make some big blocks and get downright animal). It's nice that Andrew Bynum wants to make the all-star team, but it's clear that he is very very concentrated on his scoring and that is flat out the least important aspect of his game when it comes to this team winning a championship. This kind of defensive mentality will be critical against a team like the Celtics who have a very good and deep front court.
- That said, I think if Bynum can improve his defensive game, he could very well be inserted into the closing unit instead of LO. I think the addition of Artest over Ariza allows for this (better spacing, better playmaking on the wing).
- Am I the only one that is not at all surprised by Josh Powell's play? He's still a subpar defender, rebounder, and finisher with a very smooth jumpshot and decent hands. He's hit the three ball before. I like having him come of the bench, but him being buried behind a healthy Laker frontcourt isn't going to be a bad thing either.
That's it for now...post any of your own thoughts or whether you agree/disagree with any of mine.
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appreciate the rec, much love
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Agreed
Houston booing Ron was not classy. It’s not to the level of that a-hole Jazz fan who mimicked eye cancer when D-Fish returned to Utah, but, still, Ron sure did a hella more for that Rockets team than T-Mac and I think he deserved a lot better welcoming than that. He helped them stopping being first round virgins for heaven’s sake!
That being said, I hope, hope, hope the Laker fans cheer Trevor on when he returns to Staples. I’ll be so pissed and disappointed if they don’t.
Pleasantly loving Josh and DJ’s efforts. I knew Josh would give 100%, esp after that Houston road game when LO was suspended and he stepped up. DJ, on the otherhand, I was so afraid he’d foul out in 10 minutes lol even though I know he definitely tries hard.
Great write up, Justin!
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 AM PST reply actions
Fairly confident Laker fans cheer the hell out of Ariza, especially cause he'll be receiving his ring.
If they don’t, my ire for the typical fan that actually GOES to the game will only grow.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Laker fans that go the games
aren’t that bad or at least the one game I’ve been able to go, they weren’t too bad lol
I’ll admit, I was kinda pissed when one of them yelled at Nene as a “brazilian she-male” but I figured given where we were sitting (at the 40 dollar seats) and that he was probably drunk, I let it slide.
most seem to ooh and ahh at the right plays. But I don’t like that they boo certain players, regardless of how badly they play, booing Sasha and Jordie just isn’t going to help their game or their confidence.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
My biggest qualm with the Laker crowd
is that they aren’t loud. The atmosphere there is more like a show rather than a sports event. One reason I don’t like going to games is that the arena lights are turned off. Sure the court is what matters, but half the fun of going to a game is the atmosphere of the whole arena and cheering on your team with thousands of other people. With the lights off I swear it’s easy to fall asleep.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
100% agree
i think u inspired me to do a fanpost ;)
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1955,1959,1963,1965,1981,1988...
1949,1950,1952,1953,1954,1972,1980,1982,1985,1987,1988,2000,2001,2002, 2009...
Very True
I kinda like the lights off, but I agree, it completely kills the whole atmosphere of seeing thousands of cheering fans. I felt like I was at a movie theater and I could only politely clap after every good play. Partially, I’d say it isn’t that the Laker crowd isn’t excited for their team, but more the arena’s atmosphere contributes to them being less noisy?
I think the last time I saw the crowd super animated was that 2006 Phoenix game when Kobe made the buzzer beater.
Still, when I went, I tried to cheer as much as I could lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
just look at some of the old forum games...
or the game when Horry made the 3 pointer against Sacramento.
I’m not saying staples wouldn’t go crazy if that happened today. They’d probably have gone nuts over Derek Fisher’s 3 pointers…but the lightning makes a HUGE difference. It’s undeniable and easy to feel if you go to a game.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
i made a fanpost on it
check it out!
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1955,1959,1963,1965,1981,1988...
1949,1950,1952,1953,1954,1972,1980,1982,1985,1987,1988,2000,2001,2002, 2009...
“He helped them stopping being first round virgins for heaven’s sake!”
Technically they would be second round virgins…………….and first round whores I suppose.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
touche! lol
second round virgins it is!
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
that makes more sense haha
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1955,1959,1963,1965,1981,1988...
1949,1950,1952,1953,1954,1972,1980,1982,1985,1987,1988,2000,2001,2002, 2009...
Agree with pretty much everything, except for the trading Farmar part. Who would LA get? He makes less than 2 mil/year (less than Brown at this point), and his deal expires pretty soon.
I say keep him.
I'd much rather trade Sasha, but no one wants that deal
The Laker’s bench needs help and Farmar’s / Morrison’s contract could be valuable to the numerous teams trying to clear cap space for Lebron and other FA’s next season. It’s impossible to speculate on “who we could get”, but another explosive wing player to bring energy off the bench would be pretty good.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
i'll take that trade any day of the week
only problem is we have to convince the bulls that sasha is good… :(
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1955,1959,1963,1965,1981,1988...
1949,1950,1952,1953,1954,1972,1980,1982,1985,1987,1988,2000,2001,2002, 2009...
LOL Henrich would be a good pickup
for his D and shooting, would be better then Sasha’s for sure
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Artest
Think he’s been a difference maker?
He leads the team in Roland Rating (17.5) and look at our opponents production at the SF position — he’s been dominant defensively. Now, we haven’t really played anyone with a top 5 SF yet (unless you include Durant or Dirk, who’s more of a PF), but it’s impressive the he’s shutting down opposing forwards like that.
A couple of other things to note here:
- The play at the PG position is REALLY going to kill this team if it isn’t addressed. Why Paul didn’t play heavy minutes last night I’ll never understand. Both he and Collison would have had their way with the Laker PG’s all night.
- The PF position should improve immensely with Gasol’s return, and I also think that will help Odom’s numbers as he can shift back to the second unit as a SF and close games at the PF position.
- Does anyone think that a good closing unit if the Lakers might be Bryant-Artest-Odom-Gasol-Bynum? I think Kobe can guard opposing PG’s as well as anyone on the current roster, and it would force other teams to go big to match up with Odom and Artest in the post.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Good points and that's a very interesting closing unit.
I think it may work well against a team like the Celtics…but like you said defending the point might really hurt us. Maybe Farmar/Morrison need to be shopped for a good defensive pg…let Brown play the 2?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I think Kobe can defend the opposing PG as well as anyone on the current roster.
Which is to say, we don’t have any lock-down defenders at the PG position, so why not create a matchup problem for the opposing team?
Think of the matchup problems for other teams with Kobe at the PG position to close games. Are you really going to have Chris Paul playing anyone on that closing unit in the last 5 minutes? Chancey Billups? Steve Nash? I mean, who do they guard? Everyone on the floor has a post-up game, shoots 65-70% from the line, and are all good at passing out of double teams.
Odom becomes the “point-forward” and brings the ball up. Really, other than a lack of good 3 point shooting, which this team doesn’t have a bunch of anyway, what is the downside?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'd like to think this way too
It’s a question of whether we can force teams to match up with us and whether we can make up for mismatches defensively with good enough team defense.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
i agree
especially considering if it’s a choice between D-Fish or Kobe in the closing minutes.
kobe guards the smaller guards at least as well as D-Fish. The only consideration is if he has significant offensive production drops if he spends too much energy guarding the quick PGs as compared to the offensive production he would have if he didn’t guard the PGs…
With the length on the floor here
You could effectively play a zone defense against quick guards and teams that don’t have knockdown three point shooters.
Considering that they’d be playing out of the post in the half-court, Bryant shouldn’t get worn out from running around too much, because we should be shooting a lot of free throws with that lineup.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Great post..pretty much what most Laker fans are thinking
I agree especially with the PG position and Bynum…
I really am convinced that the Lakers will do something by the trade deadline. As I said before, since the LA times reported just 2 wks after winning the tiltle they offered Farmar to the Rockets I’m conviced the Lakers future doesn’t involve Farmar. I have my eye on that position and wouldn’t be surprised if the Lakers sign someone else. One thing they won’t do is trade Fisher.
Bynum…Bynum…Bynum…. This kid is just that a kid. He might be scared of hurting his knees again but somehow that fear disappears on the offensive end. He is a million times more animated on offense than defense. He has said that he wants to be an All Star and that the Lakers goal should be to surpass the Bulls’ 72 win record. Someone needs to put the pacifier back in hi s mouth and tell him that it would be better if his goal should be to play an entire season (too late for that) and to try and make the All Defensive team instead. I am still doubting that he is the future of the Lakers franchise.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 9, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions
Bynum should take a page out of D.Howard's book
and realize that the unanimously acknowledged best center in the league has built his career mostly around defense and catching alley oop passes.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
so i'm not alone on this???
all i hear are hisses and boos when i speak of AB and Farmar needing to be somewhere else. Farmar reminds me(defensively) of Kobe of old. back when he would lose the ball and slap his hands and stop to talk to the ref, meanwhile, 2pts for the other squad. The last paragraph, nothing else needs to be said. Realistic fans that don’t live in the clouds(mentally) are nodding their heads after reading it. ALL OF IT…
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by LAKESHOWrydamee on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
no way you are the only one who agrees with you
I was also hard on Kobe when he was young but he matured into what he is today. Let’s hope the Bynum matures into something great or that at least he figures out the game.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 9, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
I always loved kobe xD
even though he was so damn cheeky, I could never hate on him. I remember when he was a rookie and wishing he’d have more playing time because he’d always try to have a dunk/highlight reel when he was on the court. Even after the 3 airballs, I just couldn’t stay mad at him for long. I think it was because I was like 9 when he entered the league … so I kinda idolized him.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Bynum needs to be somewhere else
His game is not set in stone. He still has the opportunity to become a great defensive presence. A seven footer of his caliber is hard to come by these days…we’re lucky he is in a Laker uniform.
But, he’s no Dwight Howard.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Good summary. REC
I would argue that the backup PG shouldn’t necessarily be Brown, it should be the PG that Kobe wants… He’s on the floor pretty much all night every night, and his comfort level is paramount.
I think both he and Farmar “fit” — but it might be more complex than a simple head-to-head duel between those two.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I think that would be Fisher
No point guard in the league will make Kobe as comfortable as the bulldog does. I love Shannon also because I think his explosiveness and athleticism is very valuable to this team because that kind of energy is something we sometimes may lack as we get old (really helped us in the Denver series last year).
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Nice write up............
I agree on the Kobe MVP thing, at least for now. I think it will depend more on what Cleveland and Orlando’s records are than what Kobe does though.
We all know Kobe will have an MVP caliber season, the only question is whether or not it will be recognized as such. I think if the Lakers end up with the best record, he will win it, especially with the numbers he is putting up now. If he could somehow end up over 50% shooting for the season, that would be huge as well.
Not holding my breath yet.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
when bynumite and gasol come back
his numbers are going to drop a bit…
but if he keeps that FG% at a solid level like has so far
he has good chances…he would though have to continue to take more shots in the paint
which mights be difficult with two 7 footers clogging the paint…
but still he should try to get shots in the paint…it just gets a little more difficult thats all…
i think he could get 47 or 48% for the season but not more than that…
When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton
1955,1959,1963,1965,1981,1988...
1949,1950,1952,1953,1954,1972,1980,1982,1985,1987,1988,2000,2001,2002, 2009...
I like the new Jordan-clone Kobe
He should keep scoring from low-mid range. No fadeaways from the 3-point line
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan. I only want to be Kobe Bryant,"
-Kobe Bryant
Justin N
I agree with yours points made above, Kobe’s my MVP so far, Brown should be the future PG, Farmer and Vujacic can get the boot or either one, I basically agree with everything said, I just want Gasol(for my fantasy team) and Bynum back and more Kobe dominance and more Laker defense.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Laker defense
need to come back! Although I’m hoping once Pau comes back our defense will be much better.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
i still kinda life Farmar
(but i am biased for other reasons, too)
but still, even though the PG doesn’t fill as large of a role in the triangle as the more traditional offenses, it helps to have a PG who can handle the ball and is an excellent passer (Fish doesn’t do the drive and dish, but he’s got good handles). I feel that Brown is still a little bit raw in that department as compared to Farmar. Perhaps we’ll see more as the season goes on?
Gotta use the right tool for the job
I like having both right now because they both have different high level skill sets, yet both can shoot the 3. Need someone that can drive and dish? Farmar’s the man. Need a strong finisher? Extra minutes go to Brown. I still give Sasha the edge on the 3.
We have an amazing team this year…. The best story of the year so far is that fact that there has been no story about Artest.. Im going to knock on wood, but its great to see that Artest hasnt been rocking the boat as everyone around the league was hoping.
2nd best story is the dominance of andrew bynum, the guy is a beast. If he wasnt on a team with pau and kobe, he could easily average 25ppg and 10 rpgs.
3. Kobe’s dominance in the post. I must say its not as fun to watch, but it sure is effective. I just hope kobe wont get rusty on those skills that made us all go “wow”.
4. Our bench isnt as terrible as last year, sure they have of nights, but powell, mbenga, brown, sasha, walton and farmar look like they finally have a sense of what they are doing out their. Sure it helps having Bynum/Artest/Lo in their to help em out, but damn, we’re good.
5. the other 29 teams in the nba are looking pretty competitive, it should be a fun season.
In Kobe we trust!

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