Confirmed: Hornets Terrible
When Phil Jackson decides to retire as coach of the Los Angeles Lakers, someone, somewhere will float the idea that Byron Scott should get the gig. Whether emanating from those feeling nostalgic for the Showtime years or (much more likely) from his agent, Byron's name is sure to come up. And when it does, I want Jerry Buss and Mitch Kupchak to break out the tape from tonight's game.
The Lakers hammered Scott's New Orleans Hornets for a 104-88 victory whose outcome was assured two minutes into the third quarter. Looking even worse than their now 2-5 record, the Hornets were a toxic mess. Their offense couldn't manage even a point per possession against a Lakers team playing without Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol. Their defense allowed 1.17 points per possession even though the oft-maligned Laker reserves played 43% of the available minutes. At the end of the first and beginning of the second periods, Chris Paul moldered on the bench for over six minutes while the Lakers built a double-digit lead. And Scott insisted on playing guards Bobby Brown and Devin Brown, total zeroes who were completely overmatched in this game and probably shouldn't be in the league, ahead of demonstrably superior rookies Marcus Thornton and Darren Collison.
I'm not even a Hornets fan and I'm outraged by this. It's unacceptable that a magnificent talent like Paul has to spend the next three seasons with this turd of a team. I just hope Coach Byron Scott forever remains someone else's problem.
As for the Lake Show tonight, it was an awesome first half by Kobe Bryant, followed by a very solid mop-up performance from the bench. DJ Mbenga had a double-double [Ed.: mmm... double-double... I'll take two please], Shannon Brown tossed in 15 and Ron Artest and Lamar Odom both had strong overall stat lines in limited minutes.
More to come about this one in the morning. In the meantime, here's your box score, and the tempo-free numbers are below. The Lakers are 6-1.
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Poss. |
TO% |
FTA/ |
FT% |
EFG% |
TS% |
Off Reb% |
Def Reb% |
PPP |
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L.A. |
89 |
13 |
0.22 |
89 |
54 |
58 |
27 |
71 |
1.17 |
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N.O. |
90 |
14 |
0.27 |
83 |
41 |
46 |
29 |
73 |
0.98 |
P.S. - If you haven't done so, please also read commenter Justin N's Fanpost with his thoughts on the season so far, available here. It's good stuff and worth your time.
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Jannero Pargo was key
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Hmmmm double double
Has anyone tried the 100 × 100 burger you can get at In n Out?
I love In n Out, but a normal 1×1 animal style with double tomatoes and double lettuce plus fries is perfect for me. If I feel like getting a guilty pleasure it’d be their animal fries.
So glad to see DJ and Josh stepping it up. Technically, this team should be a pretty decent team even with Pau and Drew out … I mean, LO and Artest aren’t peanuts, so it’s good to see the team finally gelling, even if it is against a dis-functioning Hornets team.
I agree, I feel so bad for CP3. He used to bug the crap out of me (esp the 07-08 season) but now, I kinda like the guy and I feel bad that his talents are being wasted on the Hornets team. Just for kicks and not to spur a major debate, CP3 should totally come to us lol probably never gonna happen, but it’d be so unfreaking unbelievable if he did.
Anyone know why Peja is coming off the bench? Is he that much worse than Julian Wright?
Technically, a core of CP3, West and Okafor shouldn’t be this bad … but their management definitely dropped the ball on surrounding CP3 with other good supporting players, esp now Peja’s dropped off the face of the earth … maybe they’ll sign Stephen Jackson? xD
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions
What's the 100 x 100 burger?
Sounds like something I need to sample.
by DexterFishmore on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I heard
that at some In n Out restaurants, if you’re really really hungry, want a challenge, or want to clog your arteries for an early retirement, you can order the 100 × 100 which is like 100 slices of cheese and 100 patties of beef.
I’m not sure if it’s rumor or if you can actually order it but here’s a pic of someone who actually ordered it (and it only cost them about 97.66 dollars):
http://supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060125050438458
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's insane
Would love to order one for a party someday.
by DexterFishmore on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I heard
that at some In n Out restaurants, if you’re really really hunger, want a challenge, or want to clog your arteries for an early retirement, you can order the 100 × 100 which is like 100 slices of cheese and 100 patties of beef.
I’m not sure if it’s rumor or if you can actually order it but here’s a pic of someone who actually ordered it (and it only cost them about 97.66 dollars):
http://supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20060125050438458
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
ignore that comment lol
we need a delete button :)
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Heard they don't let people order the 100X100 anymore
What’s sadder than that is that I instantly recognized the goodness of the In-N-Out Burger from that photo. Yay So Cal!
That's not sad.
It’s the sign of a true SoCal gourmand!
by DexterFishmore on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i dont think they go above 4x4 anymore
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
WHAT??
really??
i was thinking of going and getting a 10 by 10 tomorrow…
Aww
In n Out, which I’m am sadly deprived of here in Princeton, NJ when I’m at school. It’s already making me hungry…
In any case, on the subject of the game, NO was simply dysfunctional on all levels. It’s sad to see the team combust around Paul, and Scott isn’t helping it with his coaching either, namely the continuing insistence on playing horribly inferior players in front of Collison and Thornton and Paul’s inexplicable furlong on the bench while the Lakers created a huge lead. There was no chemistry, rhythm, or hell, any sort of execution without Paul period.
That said, if you really want someone to blame for NO’s plight, blame the front office. After their breakout ‘07-’08 season, the front office signs Posey to supplement their giant glut of bad wings instead of adding frontcourt depth and spends this offseason cutting salary (Rasual Butler, arguably their only good defensive wing besides Posey) and making a largely peripheral trade of Chandler for Okafor, which is a minor upgrade at best. The front office’s worst sin in the past few years though in relation to NO’s long-term success is aptly noted by John Hollinger in his commentary on Hilton Armstrong:
When David Letterman compiles his list of the “Top 10 Ways the Hornets Squandered the Prime Years of the Best Point Guard in a Generation,” he’ll emphasize the 2006 draft. With two top-15 picks, New Orleans could have taken Ronnie Brewer and Thabo Sefolosha; Josh Boone and Renaldo Balkman; or Craig Smith and Paul Millsap. Instead they nabbed Armstrong and Cedric Simmons. Simmons is already out of the league, and Armstrong might be joining him shortly after a third straight disappointing season.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
lol at hilton armstrong...
but balkman sucks and its not like any of those players where that special except for millsap and every team passed up on him and another few passed up on him in the second round..
Uh, no
It’s not that those players are mind-blowing good; it’s that Armstrong and Simmons were unbelievably awful in comparison. Brewer ranks annually as one of the best perimeter players at finishing at the rim, and does a decent job at the defensive end. Sefolosha is a solid defensive wing with a lot of upside. Boone is a decent backup center, Balkman is a good energy guy, Smith is an awesome low-post scorer, and Millsap goes without saying. If NO had a modicum of front court depth in their ‘07-’08 series against San Antonio, they probably beat them.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Meh. Hilton Armstrong is athletic seven footer. There was much to work with there. I don't
think that was an overdraft. Shelden Williams was in the same draft. Now THAT was a screw up. Rajon Rondo was drafted later too. Some of those players listed didn’t have nearly as much potential Armstrong had at the time of the draft. I think his selection was spot on to me. Sometimes, you have to develop that talent.
Now Cedric Simmons is where the mistake happen. I didn’t hear anything about him leading up to the draft. At all. That is where management screwed up. That selection was puzzling.
Way too harsh of a criticism of Byron.
His track record with NJ and a bare bones Hornets squad speaks for itself. I’m pretty sure Byron has won coach of the year. He has proven that when given a decent squad that he can hang with the elite coaches/teams. Yes the Hornets look awful and that 58 point shellacking they took from the Nuggs in playoffs does not look like a fluke.
However, Owner Shinn has not given Byron enough to work with. He’s the only owner in NBA whose main business is his team. The Okafor trade helped, but it’s depth that is the main problem for the Hornets. New Orleans being the smallest market in the NBA does not make it very attractive for free agents. Only large markets like LA and Boston are able to get free agents like Artest and Marquis Daniels to play for 40% less then market value in hopes of getting a ring.
Is it Byron’s fault that Peja is making 14 million (more than Paul!)? When you are a small market team and you end up with an underachiever you are set back dramatically.
I don’t think anybody knows who will take over for Phil when he is gone, which seems like it will be sooner rather then later due to his health. Byron is a decent candidate. I would certainly take him over Rambo and/or Shaw.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM PST reply actions
Scott over Rambis or Shaw? Yeah right.
His work in NJ was overrated; the East was so weak in the years in which NJ made the Finals that they were there because the rules said someone had to be there. And on the subject of not getting the players he needs, he shoots himself in the foot, repeatably, by putting players in his doghouse that later turn out to be extremely productive. Whether it’s J.R. Smith and Brandon Bass (and Julian Wright until deciding to utilize him this season) or playing Bobby Brown and Devin Brown ahead of Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton, he’s had a lot of talent slip through.
Even in this game, Paul was benched for an inexplicably long period while the Lakers crushed NO’s reserves to crack open a 20+ point lead, and by that time, there was little he could do. And before the game, replacing Mo Peterson, who at least has the length to bother Kobe if not the defensive acumen, with Devin Brown for defensive purposes was inexplicable as well.
I’d much rather have Shaw take over if we’re going on continuing to use the triangle, and if we’re looking at outside choices, I’d take someone like Jeff Van Gundy before choosing Scott.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Agree with Ollie Boombayay
Have to agree with Ollie. Nobody complained much about Byron when he won Coach of the Year 2 years ago and the Hornets went to the Conference Semis. Chris Paul wasn’t exactly a household name likle he is now, either.
Suddenly the Hornets are 2-6 to start the season, and he’s the worst coach on earth. It’s interesting how quickly people’s perceptions change.
Sure, we had a rough playoffs last year, but hey, at least we did make the playoffs, and that with basically no bench at all and in a conference that was one of the strongest in recent history.
Fact is that, besides Chris Paul, it’s unclear what Byron Scott really has to work with. David west is the second best player, but he’s a marginal All-Star. He’s basically a tweener, stuck between small and powerforward whose rebounding numbers have been declining for a number of years now. Third best player? I suppose that would be Okafor, a player who used to be considered the corner stone on a team that sucked terribly. His offense and rebounding is sound but his defense is suspect to say the least—if you don’t believe me, check out the oppoinsg starting center’s stats for the first 8 games, they’re probably shooting close to 70% against him. And he’s an upgrade from Tyson Chandler—I bet Tyson, who used to be cosnidered a massive busy, will now repeat the stats that he had 2 years under Scott, which will be by far his best year ever. Peja is getting up there in age, and so is Posey. Thornton can put up points on the board and he has promise, but what do you think his defense will look like, as a 6’4" rookie shooting guard. Bobby Brown is putting up nearly identical stats that J.Pargo did 2 seasons ago. People seem to remember Pargo’s hot shooting nights, but tend to forget his 2 for 10s and how he struggled most of the time to keep his FG% above 40%.
In short, Byron still doesn’t have all that much to work with really. And this season, the Hornets have to contend with having 2 new starters. A rough start could be expected, certainly.
Why did Byron sit CP3 out for so long? I guess you guys may have missed how he played CP and David West over 40 minutes a game night and and night out to close the season and how those two players looked by the time HO made the playoffs. There’s a background to all these things that you have to keep in mind. Yes, the HOs would have been more competitive if Byron had played CP for 43 minurtes a game, but that woulds have been just plain stupid cosnidering what happened last season. Either the Hornets other guys can get their act together, or they can’t, and if they can’t, making CP3 play for 40+ minutes just so that the Hornets can squeak into the playoffs won’t do any good at all. Last season showed that.
I think the headline post fails to take a lot of these factors into account and therefor lacks some perspective—though I’ll readily admit that the Hornets looked poor last night and they have many issues at the moment.
just to clarify
Please read the below sentence in the above post with the corrections in all caps. Thanks.
“I bet Tyson, who used to be cosnidered a massive BUST, will NEVER repeat the stats that he had 2 years under Scott, which will be by far his best year ever.”
Valid points about Scott...
I missed the Hornets game so I am making my opinion based on his body of work rather then recent misery.
Scott’s lack of patience and foresight with yougsters is a common coaching mistake. Something about ex-players as coaches = “welcome to the bench high school superstar”
J.R. Smith is still a headcase. Karl has benched him in big games as well. Brandon Bass has only come into his own in the last season and is still pretty raw. As for Bobby Brown getting minutes, well that’s his Prerogative so Don’t Be Cruel in your criticism. yuk, yuk, yuk, :)
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I was going to suggest JVG to succeed Phil as well...
but I stopped short because I did not want people to go apesh!t over the idea. JVG can inspire that in people due to his outlandish announcer comments. He could work out well and the super high salary he would demand would not be a factor for Jerry Bu$$.
Phil is a master at handling superstars and replacing him with a rookie would be a disaster. Byron Scott is no rookie and has shown competence in coaching and playing with elite players.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, not cool man
I live in Berkeley, so I don’t get to see those games, and on top of that you show me In N Out, which I can’t get without driving 15 miles?
so not cool man…
well, hope the youtube highlights are almost done~
I had in and out the other day...
…but looking at that picture…I feel an urge to bite my monitor that I’ve never felt before.
I swear they must be putting something white and powdery in their food…
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I love In N Out!
I always get a 4 X 4 animal style with animal style fries and a diet coke..lol
B scott I think is one of the best coaches and there is something that he brings to the table that is very important that any Kobe Bryant let team has to have. That is a coach he respects. He defenitely has that type of respect for Byron since he practically raised him as a player. It is hard for me to think of another coach besides he and coach K and we all know he is never coming to the Lakers. Other than that I can’t really judge a coach based on one game. He has been to the Finals twice so he must know something about coaching.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 9, 2009 6:44 AM PST reply actions

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