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Bynum Joins the Kobe Show as Lakers Trounce Thunder

The Lakers' victory over the Thunder was about as straight-forward as it gets. If you watched the game, there's not much I can tell you about it that you don't already know. In fact, if you checked the box score, you could probably more or less figure this game out.

For those of you that didn't see the game (get League Pass, it's worth it!), we'll still recap the night's events. But at the end of the day, this was simply great basketball by the Lakers on both ends of the floor, and another glimpse at how good this team is at full strength.

Star-divide

Let's go down the list, shall we? Now, I know what you're thinking — this list has to start with Kobe. And it usually does, doesn't it? But not tonight. Kobe was the show, but the story of this game went beyond his heroics, mind-boggling as they were.

There were a few things not to like, but they were minimal and hardly worth focusing on, so let's just get them out of the way right now, shall we?

Pau Gasol struggled offensively, but he still managed 15 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists, so it's hard to fault him. Some shots that he would usually hit rimmed out, and he struggled a bit with the physicality of the Thunder's bigs. I'm sure his physical condition has something to do with the latter, and he'll deal with that challenge easier when he's back in shape and has the physical endurance to fight back on the block for extended stretches. Still, his impact on the game can only be seen as positive. His passing means so much to this team, but beyond any of that, I can't describe it any better than to simply say that things seem so easy and effortless for the entire team with Gasol back on the court. It's impossible to articulate all the ways in which he has this effect on the team, but it's undeniable.

Lamar Odom and Ron Artest struggled with their shots as well, but they rebounded the ball, played solid defense, and still contributed to a very positive effort overall for the Lakers. Hard to complain. (Speaking of rebounding, it's worth pointing out that while no Lakers broke double digits, five different players had five or more boards.)

The only other thing I can think of to complain about is the Thunder block party. The Lakers blocked four shots, but they let the Thunder block them 15 times. Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Derek Fisher, Jordan Farmar, and Josh Powell each got blocked twice. It's certainly something I don't want to see happening any time soon — but given how well the rest of the game went, and how well the Lakers played on offense when they weren't being blocked, it is, once again, hard to complain.

On to the positives.

Defense

According to the commentary crew, Phil Jackson focused on two things with his team over the past few days:  defense and turnovers. If this one game is any indication, the Lakers listen to their coach. The defense, for starters, was excellent last night, and it was probably the biggest factor in the Lakers' easy win.

Coming into the game, the Thunder were averaging 104.5 points per 100 possessions — or 1.05 points per possession. Last night, the Lakers held the Thunder to 0.90 points per possession, or an offensive rating of 90.2 points per 100 possessions. The Thunder shot 37% from the field, including 13% from three point range. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook combined to shoot 13-36 from the field for 33 points.

This wasn't simply a case of the Thunder shooting poorly. The Lakers, as a unit, were dialed in and focused on defense, playing with energy and intensity. Having Gasol back in the lineup no doubt helps, as his defense in general is underrated, and his pick and roll defense in particular is something the Lakers really benefit from.

And then, of course, there's Ron Artest. Sidetrack with me for a brief moment, will you? We all know that Kobe is the most capable and lethal perimeter stopper in the league. When he feels the situation warrants it, nobody can shut down a perimeter scorer like #24. And in the past, whenever the Lakers have found themselves in a situation where that was particularly important, Kobe could be counted on to make the opposing perimeter scorer struggle. This year, it's different. This year, we're getting that every single night. Rather than on special occasions, it seems that in every single game, the Joe Johnsons, Luol Dengs, Kevin Durants, Trevor Arizas, David Wests, and on and on, find themselves facing Ron Artest. Almost without exception, the result is a tough night and a bad box score line for said perimeter star. That's what Ron Artest brings to this team.

That leaves Kobe to guard the lesser perimeter threats, and on nights like tonight, when not only Artest but the entire Lakers team is dialed in defensively, that's bad news for the visitors. Tonight, even Fisher played well defensively, and as a group, this team showed what they can do on the "other" end of the court, once again reminding the league of why they're the team to beat — because no other team in the league can be as good as the Lakers can be on both ends of the court.

Turnovers

Replay the first 12 games of the season in your mind, and you can probably remember more than one that the Lakers should have won much more convincingly than they did, but instead, they allowed their opponents to stay close with sloppy plays and lots of turnovers, leading to wasted possessions for the Lakers and easy ones for their opponents. This was the other thing that Phil Jackson asked his team to focus on, and here also the guys in purple and gold showed themselves to be coachable.

Overall, the Lakers limited themselves to only three turnovers in the first half — by which time, to be honest, this game was already decided — and nine overall. On the other hand, their strong defense (and some simple confusion on the part of the Thunder) resulted in 19 turnovers for OKC, allowing the Lakers to pad the lead rather than letting inferior opponents back in.

Sometimes, Phil Jackson's coaching is downright puzzling. In this case, it's as brilliant as it is simple: limit turnovers and play good, tough defense, and the Lakers can win any game. The rest will fall into place if they will continue to play well in these two areas.

Bench Rotations

We've criticized PJ a good deal for his obscene rotations. Josh Powell and DJ Mbenga — two guys that never heard the word "pass" and yet aren't that efficient as scorers — don't belong on the court together, especially with Adam Morrison. In fact, at this point, the whole idea of swapping entire units, bench mob for starters, doesn't seem like a good idea, as the bench players as a unit haven't proven that they can handle themselves without some hand-holding for the starters.

Over the last couple of games, I've been extremely pleased with Jackson's rotations. Not counting garbage time, Phil seems to have moved more towards keeping a mixture of starters and bench players on the floor at all times. At the very least, he keeps two starters on the floor with three bench players, and this move has really stabilized the bench's production, and as a result, the subs aren't giving up big leads as routinely as they usually do. PJ has also shortened his bench rotation, with guys like Sasha Vujabric, Ammo, and even Josh Powell seeing fewer minutes, while Jordan Farmar and Shannon Brown (and of course super-sub Lamar Odom) take most of the minutes off the bench. Both players are playing very well recently, and seem to do better in a lineup that feels only a step removed from the starting lineup, rather than one composed almost entirely of subs.

Our own C.A. Clark petitioned in the preseason for a smaller backcourt lineup, putting both Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar on the court at the same time, and he has gotten his wish quite a bit this year. So far, I have to say that I like the results, as those two on the court with three of the Lakers five best players (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Artest) have done some really positive things.

Two thumbs up to Phil for bringing those crazy lineups under control and finding ways to provide more stability in the relief rotation.

Andrew Bynum

Nights like tonight are why I don't see Pau Gasol's return being a problem for Bynum. Offensively, the kid has the ability to play so efficiently that he doesn't need to demand 25 shots, like Shaq of old, to get his points. Last night:  25 points on only eleven shots (9-11 from the field), nine rebounds, and two blocks — all in only 28 minutes. And of course, my favorite box score stat of all:  7-7 from the free throw line.

And don't think that Bynum's decreased minutes are a result of Gasol's return to the lineup. Andrew played those 28:37 in the first 35:24, sitting down before the third quarter ended and never returning, simply because the Lakers never needed him. In fact, the Lakers' victory was so sound, Artest and Derek Fisher joined Bynum in not playing the fourth quarter, and even Kobe only played until 8:58 remained in the game.

Meanwhile, Bynum's skill set is just amazing at this point, for a kid of his age and experience. Think back to the beginning of 2007-08, when Bynum first began to show flashes of reaching his potential as a post presence for the Lakers. Almost everything he did came on lobs and as a result of attention paid to other Lakers; he didn't have moves to speak of. Now, he's got an entire array of them. His length and his soft touch make it so easy for him to simply shoot over his man, and at only 22 years old, his drop hook is becoming deadly. For a kid who barely played in high school and skipped college, at 22 years of age, his skill set is scary good.

The amazing thing about last night is that it wasn't any kind of dominant performance. Andrew wasn't on a hot streak, he wasn't hitting crazy shots. He wasn't a man possessed. He was simply showing the kind of efficient scoring that he could be capable of delivering on a regular basis — and on a team as thoroughly talented as these Lakers are, with more scorers to draw attention away from Bynum than you can count, he's likely to get plenty of opportunities to put on performances like tonight. Easy, effortless, no-big-deal dominance.

Kobe Bryant

Unlike Bynum, for Kobe Bryant this was one of those dominant, out-of-his-mind unstoppable performances. There was the over the backboard horse shot in the first quarter, where he should have gotten a foul call but mysteriously didn't. There was that up-and-under reverse, which started with Kobe posting up and then spinning off his defender so hard the guy was left staring at (and almost falling onto) empty hardwood in front of him. There was the left-handed buzzer beater, the one he grabbed and tossed up while already in the air. There was the baseline fader that he heaved up while flying out of bounds (a shot he had no business taking, and definitely no business making). There was the breakaway layup that he squeaked in there to start the second half, and I have no idea how he got it past the attempted block.

It was just one of those nights for Kobe. Circus shots, all of which went in. Along the way, he added seven assists, six rebounds, and a pair of steals, and played solid perimeter defense.

At the end of the day, this was a game that you loved to see because of the defense, the lack of turnovers, and the overall performance by the Lakers at both ends of the court. Their dominance from start to finish was a positive sign, a welcome change from the team that started the season by routinely building leads, giving them away, and then squeaking out close wins. (We'll again overlook the near failure to score in the last 5 minutes, as the victory was already so complete that Phil put in his "I don't give a shit if we score even one more bucket" lineup.)

But while you love this game for all the improvement you see in the Lakers — their mindset, their commitment at both ends of the floor — you're going to save it, put it in your library, and re-watch it from time to time because of Kobe. Because this was one of those games. Shots like the ones he hit tonight happen once in a blue moon. He did it four or five times in a single game.

The next time the Lakers get three or four days off between games, and you're bored out of your mind, cue up this game and watch Kobe do his thing.

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Even though Pau was struggling

As to be expected on his second day back, he was still able to command so much attention from the Thunder’s big men that Drew pretty much was free to beast out. Last time at OKC, Drew struggled against the Thunder big men, but with Pau back, OKC didn’t have enough big men to throw at Drew. It was a pick your poison – do you want Pau beating you or Drew beating you?

Agreed Josh. Whenever Kobe’s making those crazy circus shots, you just kinda have to sit back and just be amazed. Someone in the previous threads said his performance in the first quarter was reminiscent of his 81 point game. This shooting performance definitely makes up for his dreadful shooting against the Bulls.

And Shannon’s dunks are so fun to watch. The starters’ reaction on the bench whenever he makes a dunk is priceless. A game is never complete without one his highlight reels. I really do hope they campaign for him to be in the dunk contest.

Speaking of defense. Anyone watch the Worthy spin on KCAL? Tonight, he showed a really good example of good defense and that is, if you’re beaten by the man you’re guarding. instead of following, turn your back around and chances are, you’ll usually intercept the pass.

I still hate the bench’s garbage time “I don’t care attitude.” It’s an attitude that will transcend into regular playing time.

I’m looking forward to the Knicks game. Nate Robinson is such a fun player to watch and it’s always fun to see Mike D’Antoni again.

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 23, 2009 4:03 AM PST reply actions  

The "I don't care" attitude isn't the bench's

I’m sure they cared. They just weren’t capable of doing a damned thing about it.

It’s PJ who didn’t care. He threw out his supergarbage players because he didn’t care if we won by 28 or 16.

Strength & Honor
It's good to be the Champs

by Josh Tucker on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Thunder not that good on road

I am not taking away anything from the lakers (I am a big fan myself) and it was certainly very nice to see them play so well. But it was against Thunder at home. Should’ve been a W by default anyways.

by Datuca on Nov 23, 2009 6:17 AM PST reply actions  

I am really happy that the Lakers used their length to beat up on this team. The game is so much easier for everyone else when Pau and Bynum height is used to beat teams who lack the interior defense to beat them. What I also like is that unlike years past they are beating teams that they should beat. That is a good sign. I only hope that LO coming off the bench helps them. Even more than the PG position I think it is more important for the bench to get stronger. Which is why I think that a blow out could sometimes make things difficult to the bench’s developement. they don’t seem to run the offense and just run up and down.

I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 23, 2009 6:52 AM PST reply actions  

Good recap Josh

Lots to like about this win. The best part is seeing the Lakers improving on D and reducing turnovers. But I need to remind myself that it is a home game in November against the Thunder.

Bynum looked like he could just do whatever he wanted offensively. I think a team will need a strong post defender to slow him up. Like Dwight Howard or the Blazer twins (please don’t make me spell Prizbilla) or Kendrick Perkins. It will be interesting to see how he does vs. Shaq or the Spur bigs.

Anyway, it is a good morning.

The Lakers "Too big, too strong, too long, too good."

by olf on Nov 23, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

I like Phil Jackson waved the white flag for the Thunder by putting Ammo in the game

in the first half. I believe it was the first quarter too. That was awesome.

Brown and Farmar duo has been a long time coming. Their defense is sound and offensively, each player is penetrating and dishing, or hitting their wide open shots. Even Vujacic got into the act in this game. If he can regain his confidence………just. Wow.

Josh, did you see Powell hit Bynum on beautiful pass from the baseline? He. Passed. The. Ball. lol.

by E-ROC on Nov 23, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

human victory cigar

Courtesy Basketbawful (who may of course got that from somewhere else).

by BrianTung on Nov 23, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The success of the Farmar-Brown pairing

Is perhaps the best thing to take from these past few games with Pau back. They work well on both sides of the floor, space the floor well, and both of their decision-making (especially Farmar, who regressed significantly last year) seems to be on track. The only real thing we’re missing at this point is Walton, who would pair really well with both Farmar and Brown, as he can either hit them for open shots or cuts.

I’m not so sure about Vujacic, as Phil appears to have lost confidence in him. If he can’t shoot anything remotely close to his ‘07-’08 numbers, then he’s a liability on both ends, and it’s probably why Brown has taken nearly all of his minutes.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe kobe

best of all time. greatest of all time. kobe

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by Czheck on Nov 23, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

I created a special hotspot for Kobe

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Andrew Bynum stats vs Mystery Hall of Famer stats

I made a post in July over at Forum Blue and Gold comparing Andrew’s early career to the early career of an NBA Hall of Famer who was also in the NBA’s first Top 50 All Time list in 1996. Drew’s numbers are comparable.
http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/07/26/andrew-bynum-vs-future-hall-of-famer/

by The Dude Abides on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Great post......

In addition to that, check this out as well. (Yeah I realize NBA efficiency is not a very advanced stat, but it’s awesome nonetheless).

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome

Just think how good Dwight would be if he had even 1/2 of Drew’s offensive arsenal.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 23, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

82games.com?

They may not start releasing their stats this early though. Also try NBA.com, but their site is pretty poorly run.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The '09-'10 82games.com stats are out

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

ron artest with the early lead of +/-

with a plus 80 while kobe is second with a +74

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Thunder Block party

Josh, I’m not too concerned with the number of blocks that they had — to me, it means that the Lakers had them out of position a number of times, creating instances where help defense had to come over to get blocks. Look at the offensive rebounding numbers and the second chance points and you’ll see what I mean. Five of the fifteen came from their back up center (Ibaka), and most of them were in mop up time, and Westbrook had 3, mostly on tipping shots of the smaller Laker players. That’s over half of the total.

What would concern me more would be the offensive rebounding numbers for the Thunder. The Lakers are probably the best offensive rebounding team in the league (right up there with Atlanta), but they’re also giving up a lot of offensive rebounds and they shouldn’t considering the size of the Laker front line. The team doesn’t play any type of zone defense, so it just doesn’t make any sense to me why they have so many problems rebounding defensively. FWIW, this is one of the weaknesses in Kobe’s game, especially when a shot goes up when he is on the perimeter — he doesn’t find his man to check him out a lot of the time and on long rebounds this is important.

Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.

by fourstick on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

Good points

It’s a very strange phenomenon, and this has been the case all year long — the Lakers are the best offensive rebounding team, and either the worst or the second-worst defensive rebounding team. What the hell gives?

Strength & Honor
It's good to be the Champs

by Josh Tucker on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

This was a question on FB&G a while ago

And I think it has to do with how the SSZ functions, as when the opposing player is isolated on one side of the floor, it draws a big away from the basket to trap, so you often end up with a big on the far side covered by a guard, hence the rebound disparity.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

it's why the rockets kill us.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Nov 23, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

In regards to Pau's mediocre (great by most players standards) game......

I think we really have to take an (add ‘em up and divide by two) approach with Bynum and Pau’s stats. I think one will have a good game while the other will have a mediocre game quite often. Of course once in a while they will both have big games or bad games, but I think we will see a fairly inverse relationship between their stats and a good “combined” stat line on most nights.

It stands to reason if Pau isn’t shooting well, Bynum will have more rebounds and easier “put back” shot attempts. When one gets more assists the other one is likely to get more points, etc.

Take the last two games for example. Bynum played “mediocre” against the Bulls, and Pau played “mediocre” against the Thunder. However combined they averaged…….

18.7 pts
9.3 reb.

This would be a very good season average for both of them.

Anyway that’s the way I look at the two of them.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

Good Point

There just isn’t enough shots for everyone. Its not like all starters can have triple double every game. I’ll always take all starters in double figures though. Last night was a masacre. Too bad the Thunder couldn’t score a little more to win my over.

Knick game tomorrow should be nasty.

Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Nov 23, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Great points PS

For what it’s worth, I think it has very little to do with how many shots are available. Take last night. Bynum scored 25 points, but if Gasol had been shooting his usual percentage, he’d have scored 19-20 points. The point is that he got enough shots to easily reach his usual scoring average, even while sharing the court with Bynum and Kobe — he just didn’t connect on them very well.

I think there are two primary factors at work here, one of which pslakerfan already mentioned. Both of these, however, result from one simple decision that defenses are forced to make from the outset: who are they going to focus on? You can’t single cover both. You have to try and shut down one of them, or they’ll both destroy you. Some teams will decide to focus on Pau, as I think the Thunder did last night. Others will see Bynum as a bigger threat, giving him more attention. In both cases, the other player benefits in two ways:

  1. First, and this is the one pslakerfan already mentioned, it means that the other 7-footer will have plenty of opportunities to put back his teammates misses.
  2. Second, it means the other 7-footer has more room to work individually. Bynum destroyed the Thunder last night because they couldn’t afford to give him any extra special attention in the post. Why? Because they were already giving that attention to Gasol.

The end result is that when defenses are keying in on one post player, the other will benefit both (a) with putbacks of the other’s misses, and (b) by having an easier time of it with his own shots, on his own possessions.

The end result is that pslakerfan is quite right — when one post player struggles and the other plays off the charts, the one who struggles probably deserves some of that credit, because he was busy taking all the attention and making life easy for his teammate. So really, we should look at the combined production of the two players as inseparably interwoven.

It’s one of the countless ways that Pau makes everything easy for the Lakers when he is on the court.

So how are our 7-footers doing? You could say one struggled in one game, and the other in the next. Or you could say that they’re both responsible for each other’s output, and therefore, they’re both averaging 18.7 points and 9.3 rebounds per game.

Two players essentially averaging 20/10 on top of Kobe? Yeah, I’ll take that.

Strength & Honor
It's good to be the Champs

by Josh Tucker on Nov 23, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I definitely agree about one or the other getting more attention from the defense as well. I just don’t think many (around zero) teams can matchup with TWO athletic 7 footers at the same time. Pick your poison as they say.

BTW did you bold my name each time or does the site do that automatically when you use another members name?

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 23, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If you haven’t already here’s the Kobe excerpt of Chris Ballard’s NBA book “More Than a Game”. It’s worth reading

“You’d think he’d have a tendency to ease back, but he doesn’t have that in him,” remembers Schwartz, who now works as a strength-and-conditioning coach near Philadelphia. “I think the best I ever did was to lose 100–12.” Naturally, Bryant doesn’t want to concede that Schwartz had even that much success. “I think he’s lying about that,” Bryant says when I tell him of Schwartz’s recollection. “I told Rob that too. We were talking about it, and I said, ‘You never got 12. I never let you get double digits. Most you got was five.’” Bryant is smiling when he says this, but it’s a forced grin. He really does want to set the record straight. Because God forbid any of us think for a moment that this Schwartz kid got double digits on Kobe Bryant.

Call it what you will: killer instinct, competitive fire, hatred of losing or, as Sam Cassell once said, “that Jordan thing.” No one in the NBA embodies it like Bryant. It is at once one of the most valuable skills and the hardest to teach. Sports psychologist Jim McGee, quoted in Michael Clarkson’s book Competitive Fire, describes elite athletes such as Bryant as “neurological freaks,” positing that they have a different hormonal and neurological makeup than the rest of us.

http://deadspin.com/5402465/book-excerpts-that-dont-suck-the-art-of-a-beautiful-game

by intuitive on Nov 23, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

Matt Moore’s (Hardwood Paroxysm) take

What Ballard manages to illustrate convincingly, is that Kobe Bryant is instinctively built that way. If Jordan’s fire was born from the Ego, a reaction to the world that doubted him, which then fed to his Super-ego,Bryant cannot be compared to Jordan (which most people say). Because Bryant’s drive is built from his Id. It’s instinctive. He talks about Rob Schwartz, some poor guard Bryant played with at Lower Merion High, who he abused in one-on-one practices to the point where he would go up 80-0. Take that at face value, and you move on, thinking how impressive it is that Bryant was able to go up 80-0 on a guy at that age. But Ballard brings it back, and asks you to think about how any other human being would relax, would allow the other guy to score a few times, would naturally exhibit some level of mercy. Not Kobe.

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2009/11/21/discussing-the-art-of-a-beautiful-game-by-chris-ballard-part-i/

by intuitive on Nov 23, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

great stuff :)

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Nov 23, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

btw theres a LOT more Kobe stuff on the deadspin link, check it out.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Nov 23, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

option for next year

i think hakim warrik for the bucks could be a great bench player for us next year. hes got a one year deal with the bucks and will be a free agent,warrik has already made money his first few years in the nba and would be motivated to take less money to sign with a contender unlike the grizz and bucks hes been stuck with

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by Czheck on Nov 23, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Will Bynum's contract is up after this season

but he’ll probably be looking to get paid. Good option if we decide not to keep Jordan

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Nov 23, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Shaun Livingston is a free agent. He's been injured this year with problems with

his knee. Livingston is an interesting option cause he can defend two positions. That gives the Lakers tons of flexibility and depth.

by E-ROC on Nov 23, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't that a pretty substantial gamble?

Hard to say what Livingston will bring to the table after not playing for so long. He could be less than worthless.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Nov 23, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

For the veteran's minimum, its not a substantial investment. Its a risk, but a small

one. Hopefully, he’s healthy. I don’t mind Bynum but somebody is going to pay him big time money.

by E-ROC on Nov 23, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

plus bynum is not a triangle point gaurd...

the guy needs the ball in his hand and is not a 3 point shooter to spread the floor…

we have enough guys ththat need the ball…

by matthewmafa on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh, I doubt Livingston regains his previous form

And he’s too much of a long-term injury risk. IMO, I’d take Will Bynum in a heartbeat (and I doubt Detroit pays him), but there’s likely more money available for him than what the Lakers are willing to offer.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Warrick doesn't have that much utility on this team

Because he’d essentially have no minutes whatsoever as he can’t play the five, which Powell can do in limited circumstances. For the minimum, Powell is a solid fourth big. Our immediate needs this season are in the backcourt; not sure why the Lakers would be interested at all in signing free agents for the frontcourt unless Powell or Mbenga sign elsewhere, which is doubtful.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

*this off-season

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 23, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right

But my “I’d take Warrik though” comment was more of a “if we could” kinda thing. Not that really serious on it.

by altree on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't know about that

We already have our own 6-8 forward who can’t defend anyone, and his contract is expiring after this season.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 23, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions  

I was referring to Warrick vs Morrison

No tool here for editing your own post after the fact.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 23, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

i see your point but im sure warrick is at least decent on defence hes 6 9 ish and could dunk it

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by Czheck on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

"As the season goes on, both of us are going to do better together. The numbers will go down a little bit. But I think we’ll be a stronger team, because everybody will be scoring. We’ll be able to get more assists, a lot less double teaming."

— Bynum on working with Pau

by intuitive on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

LOL

On the Broncos sight here, they’re still talking about the Nuggets win over us like they won game 7 of the WCF. They also said that after that game, the West goes through Denver now LMFAO. I guess someone forgot to remind these guys its not even Thanksgiving yet. Cuz “they was dancing aroung like they made the Sweet Sixteen”.

by desecrator09 on Nov 23, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Q&A with Kobe

Q. Do you want to talk about working over the summer with Hakeem Olajuwon?

A. Not the details of it. I’ll leave those a secret. But I had a great, great session with him. Absolutely great session with him. It was just one. I flew up there. I only had a day available. Flew up there late the night before, got up, did my own little workout. He came and picked me up at the hotel, went over to his house and we began working. We worked for about five hours straight. Just hung out with him, ate some dinner and he took me out to the airport.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/23/q-a-with-kobe-bryant/

by intuitive on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

Hey guys an interesting question here

I was reading the Chad Ford chat on ESPN.com earlier and someone asked a question on whether they would rather take Greg Oden or Bynum for the future. Ford said Oden because hes a MUCH better defensive player and defensive big men are more likely to win you a title than a big man who drops in 30 points every game but doesnt play much D. I personally disagree but I’d like to know your take on this guys. Peace!

by desecrator09 on Nov 24, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

I only agree with 50% of it

but the second part of his comment is correct. I am first to admit that I am extremely hard on the Lakers. I would love to hear Bynum say that his goal was more along the lines of DPOY or at least attempt it rather make the All Star game. If you watch the games look at how much more animated Bynum is on offense as compared to defense. Yet, I don’t know if Oden is the better choice. Bynum is obviously over his early foul trouble issue while Oden still has more work to do on that end. But, for the sake of arguing, if the Lakers had Oden’s defensive precense instead of Bynums’ offense they would be guaranteed a title. Of course as long as everyone is healthy.

I think smashing the Suns made me realize how far Kobe and the Lakers have come from five years ago, when the Suns had the world at their feet.

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

but it is always nice to have a guy on the post who you could drop it into for a bucket at the end of games.

by desecrator09 on Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

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