Pau Out Until Christmas? - Silver Screen and Roll

I've learned to pay no attention to Phil's comments on injury timetables.

I hope this isn’t true. If it is, then I’m going to place a bet on Kobe winning the MVP this year.

by wondahbap on Nov 11, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. That sounded like a classic PJ throw away line.

“He might not practice until Christmas or something.”

I don’t know the context, but it sure sounded like Phil’s normally bad humor.

by C.A. Clark on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ow. Pau Out? Pout Pow-wow Now.

by stephens on Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

last night i had a dream that we traded jordan farmar and adam morrison for tyreke evans

and my first thoughts were that he can’t hit the three ball. LOL

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by Justin N. on Nov 11, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here is my interpretation of it...

Newspaper guy: That’s a ways away.
Jackson: “Yes, it is. You know how we are. We always say, ’Let’s not put anything out there that’s futuristic. We’ll just get disappointed.’ He’s very disappointed right now.”

What I think is trying do and say is that he knows if he says 1 week like they have been doing then he will have a mic in his face asking him about it every day. He would rather over-promise. At least I hope i’m right.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s true both that (i) Phil doesn’t want to overpromise, and (ii) Gasol’s return isn’t close.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wtf is with these reports???

first they say pau could be out the first few games of the season, then they say he could be out up to 6 weeks, then they say he has no tear and can return in a few days, and now theyre saying he could be out till xmas…is it too much to ask for some fucking consistency here with these injury reports????
jeez if it was serious then why not just say he will be out a month or 2 rather than getting our hopes up for nothing…
(dont worry im not killing the messenger [dexterfishmore], just whoevers been issuing reports on pau’s hamstring)

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 11, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Someone mentioned Phil's interview skills and how much better he is at

responding to questions and leaving reporters with absolutely nothing but meaningless commments. Basically he neither confirms or denies anything.

As far as the injury I just want to know specifically what is wrong with him. Just put us out of our misery already and put us all at ease.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's my frustration as well.

As you might call, it was largely the same song-and-dance with Bynum’s first injury, in 2008. First it was eight weeks… then eight weeks came and went… then it was something like 12 weeks, which also came and went… then it was maybe sometime in the playoffs… and then it wasn’t. The seriousness of the injury wasn’t really acknowledged until after the fact.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that is my biggest fear but I didn't want to write it but you are 100%

dam it. Sounds the same way that the Celtics did with KG. Although I think that was more of a business decision because the day that they finally confirmed KG was out of the playoffs just happened to be the day after tickets for the playoffs had been sold… that reminds me it was that comment that got me banned from the Celtics blog……

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just read the report on ESPN and knew someone on SSR would cover it but

I’m halfway concerned, Lakers do need Gasol back to win it all but this injury can be a blessings in disguise to make the Lakers other players step up, Kobe can keep doing Kobe and Ron can be more aggressive in the offense so this is half good and half bad but Gasol PLEASE just come back fully healthy, no setbacks.

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by BrittneyM on Nov 11, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't be worried even if he takes till next year

as long as his injury is pretty much completely healed and has enough time to get in shape for the playoffs.

home court advantage is important, but being healthy is more important.

by Nostance on Nov 11, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Mark Cuban has the right idea

don’t allow your players to participate in off season competition . In Pau’s case , Spain is not paying his salary. NBA owners invest a lot of money in their players and shouldn’t have to worry about their investments getting damaged playing for someone else. This includes the U.S Olympic team too. When the NBA and the players renegotiate their contracts , they should put in a clause where a contract is not guaranteed if the player participated in off season competition for another team.

by keefer on Nov 11, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

am I wrong?

but doesn’t the NBA pull rank in this aspect? What I mean is that the Spurs got in trouble for the very same thing. From what I have read, the NBA (David Stern) sees it from a business point of view in the sense that by allowing NBA players to participate in international play that it makes the NBA more popular overseas and therefore increases the amount of revenue for the NBA as a whole. I know it comes down to money but I think there is some type of rule by the NBA that says that a team does not have the right to tell a player if he can or can’t play in international tournaments. Cuban might be opposed to it but I doubt that he has the ability to “allow” a player to play or not. Maybe i’m missing something.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The collective bargaining agreement forbids NBA teams from keeping players out of FIBA or Olympic competition. There is an exception, however, for when a player is injured or recovering from an injury. That’s the clause that Cuban invoked to keep Nowitzki and Barea out of international play.

Because Gasol was not injured or recovering from injury during international play this past summer, the Lakers had no right to prevent him from participating.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm. I read an article over the summer (probably related to Cuban telling Dirk no) that said that when Jordan first came in the league he insisted on a clause in his contract that allowed him to play hoops whenever/wherever he wanted. And while the Bulls didn’t like it they could never get him to agree to remove it

I thought it also said that most NBA contracts do give the teams the “right” to say no to playing internationally or for things like “charity” games (even when healthy) but most teams say yes to keep their stars happy. The teams do insist that it is on courts and with rules, officiating and other players that won’t put their players at even more risk.

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 11, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Charity games and international competition are treated differently.

They’re both addressed in Article XXIII, Section 3 of the CBA:

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XXIII.php

Teams have veto rights over charity events, but not FIBA or the Olympics, subject to the injury exception I described above.

Might have been different in Jordan’s time. The current version of the CBA came into effect in July 2005.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, don’t confuse me with facts. I know what I know! (just kidding)

But I swear there was an article in Truehoop or somewhere quoting anonymous GM’s on different ways they handle Intl play – but maybe it is just time for a cocktail.

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 11, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't doubt what you are saying

but I think that there are so many loopholes to these NBA imposed rules.

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Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thnx for the info DFish!

hey look there…hope you dont’ mind that I shortened your name like that. I’m sure you intended for it to be that way to.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not at all.

Though it occasionally results in people confusing me with Derek Fisher.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Olf

not sure because the Spurs tried to keep Manu from playing and he complained about it and the Spurs were told that they legally had no right to do that. I think it is similar to other rules that the NBA imposes like a dress code and bench players having to sit down and so on. But that doesn’t mean teams can voice their opinion and say that they “prefer” for a player not to play but they directly cannot tell a player not to play.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I clearly remember the part about Jordan negotiating a special clause when he came in the league. But perhaps I mis-read or mis-remember the other part.

PS. That screwdriver sounds heavy on the OJ but I’ll try it. :)

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 11, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That makes sense

it still seems like with those rules the NBA still has the upper hand. I don’t always agree with Stern but NBA teams are part of the association and therefore I can see why the NBA would have the right to promote it’s product.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

to be fair, it's not necessarily Spain's fault

it’s possible that Pau’s legs were just tired. The Euro cup isn’t nearly as long as a full NBA season with 82 games+playoffs. Even if pau didn’t play for spain, there’s no say that he couldn’t have strained his hamstring later in the season (which makes it worse).

by Nostance on Nov 11, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LA Tiimes Laker blog and Forum Blue and Gold had different takes on it.

LA Times basically interviewed Pau about it and he sounded confident he would be back soon, then they pretty much glazed over Phil’s comment.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/11/pau-gasol-los-angeles-lakers-injured-hamstring.html

Forum Blue and Gold flat out said Phil was joking.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/2009/11/11/artest-is-doing-things-big-and-little-right/

Both LAT and FBG have media credentials which means they were there, so I get the feeling it is being blown out of proportion.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 11, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t take from the interview that Pau is confident he’ll be back soon. He just says that he’s going to do X, and if he feels well afterwards he’ll do Y, and if he still feels well he’ll do Z. The problem is, the “if he feels well” part is a massive assumption that at no point has held true during his recovery process. Every time he has stepped up his activity there has been a setback.

Phil’s “Christmas” comment might well have been a joke, but that doesn’t tell us anything about what we should actually expect about Pau’s recovery time. It’s possible both that Phil was joking and that Pau’s still a ways off.

The team’s statements about the injury have been at best inaccurate and at worst disingenuous, and there’s real reason to believe that they’ve mishandled the recovery process.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I should have phrased it differently...

They (Kamenetzky Brothers) sounded confident after interviewing him…..

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kareem’s sticking with the Lakers

“I’m not really going to try and change my situation at this point,” Abdul-Jabbar said. "I’m still with the Lakers and I’m probably going to stay there because that’s the best situation for me. I had to alter things a little, but it’s a great situation in Los Angeles.

“They’ve got a great chance at repeating.”

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2009/11/kareem-sticking-with-lakers.html

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

cringes

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

From Mike Trudell’s Twitter on Pau and his hamstring:

Gasol on his hamstring: “If you go 50 or 60% it doesn’t hurt, it’s normal. If you go 80 or 90% that’s when you really feel it.”

Gasol wants 2 days of running on the treadmill without pain (starting tomorrow) before progressing to the next rehab step.

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

BetoDuran’s tweets

Pau did eliptical and thinks his rehab on treadmill has gone backwards “hope to do treadmill 2mmrw, maybe get back on court later week”

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

emphasis on backwards.

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Will this cause the Lakers to fill one of the two remaining roster spots?

By the time the Christams Game vs the Cavs comes around the Lakers would have played about 33% of the regular season games which is a big chunk of the season to me. If what Phil is saying is true does anyone think they should do something to replace him temporarily or will Mbenga do just fine in the meantime?

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Phil's just kidding.

During the Suns vs. Hornets game, Marc Jackson just confirmed that the Gasol injury was day-to-day and that Phil Jackson was just kidding.

by LakerUNLTD24 on Nov 11, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mark*

by LakerUNLTD24 on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Whether or not he was kidding Pau will be out for at least awhile.

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The injury has been day-to-day for over a month.

by DexterFishmore on Nov 11, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope so..

A friend of mine texted me and his take on it from actually hearing Phil speak is that he is doing one of his Zen things by pretty much calling Pau a B!

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a joke

Relax now. We’ll beat the Suns anyways.

by atung on Nov 11, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Word is he’ll be back December 1st

by intuitive on Nov 11, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Suns look like the real deal

Kinda cool. I wouldn’t mind a little competition in the Pacific division. Lakers are turning in to the Harlem Globetrotters, we win every game. With that being said I don’t want the Suns to be good enough to beat us haha.

These next two game should be a good barometer of where the Lakers stand, even without Pau and Bynum (?). We really don’t want to give the Suns or Denver any idea that they can beat us. We need to make the point that we are the best.

Can’t wait to play the Celtics this year. That is the ultimate statement game, a chance to prove to the whole league that we are indeed the best team.

Tomorrow’s game will be fun. Lots of running with the bigs out. I’m looking for either Farmar or Brown to have a huge game (over 20 pts, 8 assists).

Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Nov 11, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I would be surprised if we don’t drop at least 1 of the next 2 games. I think the Suns are playing well while we have been winning despite not playing well. I think that will catch up to us.

As long as we stay close in the standings and get everyone back with enough time to jell then I think we’ll do fine. But this will be an interesting week & weekend.

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The only thing in favor of the Lakers is that

Bynum is coming back and that to the Suns the Lakers game will be a back to back game.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 11, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I definitely think we have a reasonable chance. I’ll be happy if we can at least slow them down. They dropped 75 on the hapless Hornets by half and 100+ by the end of 3. From what I saw they were firing a bunch of 3’s (13-26 for 50%). And Nash & Amare pick & rolled them to death.

I know Kobe & Artest are great at defending the perimeter but I’m not feeling we’re tight on closing out on shooters and lastly I hope Drew is ready to defend the P & R. At the very least it will be good practice.

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 11, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think they can beat the suns because

unlike the Hornets the Lakers do have size and length and Bynum to plug up the middle. That is exactly what defending the pick n roll needs which is a big who can defend the Pic n roll even though Pau is better at it than Bynum it would be great to see Bynum defending the paint. But I will tell you one thing, Nash played out of his mind yesterday. That guy really knows how to find the open man. The Lakers’ defense better be ready.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 12, 2009 6:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I do hope you’re right. And I agree that “The Lakers’ defense better be ready.”

And yes I am a 2009 World Champion Fan.

by olf on Nov 12, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And don't forget............

the Hornets suck. We spanked them with no Pau or Bynum.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Nov 12, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that's right

and they run pick n rolls just as much as the Suns.

Kobe on Shaq (2003) - "But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court.....no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win; it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy."

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Nov 12, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs