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FISHER IS TOO OLD.....JUST RETIRE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been watching Derek Fisher play the game of basketball for many years. Unfortunately, the veteran is getting too old and he is becoming nuisance on the court. His defensive skills have dramatically dropped because he can no longer out run the younger more athletic point guards. This means, that whenever his man drives passed him, another laker defender will have to guard him, which leaves someone open. This is the reason the Magic made so many three point shots against the Lakers. Rafaer Alston would use his speed to "drive and dish" the ball to a wide open Magic player. His personal fouls have plummeted as well. When a player plays extremely aggressive they are more prone to receiving fouls. Last season Fisher only received 2.3 fouls a game, because he is not able to play aggressive against players that are passing rite by him.

Derek Fisher's offensive skills are also slowly digressing. He scored less points his last season than his previous four seasons. His ability to get open or drive the ball to the basket is hindered by his old age, and the younger, faster defensive player. Another problem with Fisher is shot selection and his ability to be a true point guard. I think Fisher is shooting too many wild shots. His field goal average is 37.5 percent and his assist per game is 2.9. These statistics are ridiculous for someone we consider an all-star point guard. The only reason why we consider him an all star or a good player is because he has been lucky enough to be on a good team. Also because he knocked down some incredible buzzard beaters to keep the Lakers in the playoffs. Unfortunately, buzzard beaters do not mean your a good player.

To conclude, Fisher needs to retire and teach his kids how to play basketball or become a mentor for new players. Although an extremely wise player on and off the court his decision to keep playing has been the only decision that I have not agreed with. I just hope that this old man does not get in the way of another Championship ring for the Lakers.

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I think that you might be dissapointed

because Fisher has already the Lakers that he plans to play beyond this season. That still doesn’t mean the Lakers will resign him or keep him as a starter. Either way, there are some things that need to be mentioned:

Farmar is fast but not any better on defense.

S. Brown is fast and better defensively but still needs a lot of work.

Fisher’s value as a leader has always been under appreciated and not given enough credit.

He is the only player that kobe trusts as far as decision making.

No PG on the current roster has those charactersitics.

"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 27, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

COMPLETELY DISAGREE

Fisher is a great and wise PG…He has been in the game a long time and his wisdom as well as his skill makes him a dominate player that stabilizes the laker team.. Lakers better never release him he will retire a Laker in a few years!

by broncos909 on Oct 27, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Retiring might be taking it too far

Decreasing his minutes sounds a lot better seeing as his presence in the locker room is extremely important.

by glueyellow on Oct 27, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Few teams can have an all-star at every position. I am sure if they had someone better than Fisher they would play him. But the young guys they do have are not yet up to the task.

You don’t seem like much of a Laker fan (your profile says you’re a Blazer lover – which is fine). But thanks for the concern and everything.

by lazNirv on Oct 27, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

1) Why are you pretending to be a Laker fan?
2) No one here thinks of Fisher as an All-Star.
3) Fisher is exactly who he has always been…..a clutch role player.
4) APG means nothing in the Triangle.
5) Fisher is in great shape. His shortcomings have nothing to do with age. He simply looks worse because he is surrounded with better players now.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with #5

Fisher is in tremendous physical condition, there’s no doubt about that. But no amount of training can permanently stop the aging process. It’s not a lack of desire that has us wondering if KG or Tim Duncan are going to be the same players that they have been in the past.

Remember Gary Payton’s year with the Lakers. He didn’t play badly, on either side of the ball. But he sure as well wasn’t one of the best defensive guards in the NBA, like he was the previous decade. It wasn’t because of a lack of desire, and he was in great shape. He just didn’t have the same athletic ability, because he was old.

Fisher is doing everything he can to slow the aging process. But you can’t fight Father Time. Fisher is definitely not the same player he’s always been.

by C.A. Clark on Oct 27, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I disagree with your disagreement.....

I think Fisher is almost exactly the player he has always been. Leader, good decision maker, good outside shooter, clutch shooter, mediocre defender, tough, takes charges at a ridiculous rate, etc.

Of course he is probably a step slower or doesn’t jump quite as high on the PUJIT, but that is true of any player over 30. I don’t see any real decline in him except a bit of a recent shooting slump. I suppose that could be age related, who knows.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Oct 27, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't disagree with me at all
Of course he is probably a step slower or doesn’t jump quite as high on the PUJIT, but that is true of any player over 30

Those are shortcomings, and they have everything to do with age. And those are exactly why he looks worse than he used to, not because the surrounding players are any better. He has lost a step because he’s old, and that’s why he’s not as effective as he used to be. This isn’t to say he’s worthless, but I certainly think Fisher of 6-8 years ago is better than Fisher of today.

The shooting slump isn’t age related, it was just regression to the mean. Fisher’s shooting numbers on the year weren’t bad, he just had a great few months followed by a bad few months. Unfortunately the bad few months corresponded with most of the playoffs.

by C.A. Clark on Oct 27, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are arguing semantics now.....

Of course he is a little worse now then 6 years ago. I just think it doesn’t belong in a “Fisher should retire” post.

Put it this way………….Old Fisher vs. Young Fisher = Old Kobe vs. Young Kobe.

Sure both have lost a step, but that doesn’t make them worse players.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Oct 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good call out on the faker fan

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Oct 28, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you clearly arent a laker fan. As long as derek fisher is hitting clutch shots in the post season i want him on my team.

In Kobe we trust!

by robi s on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how to phrase this...

The basic point is more or less valid, ‘cept he’s got a contract and he’s not retiring.

The timing is abysmal. THE SEASON IS JUST STARTING TONIGHT.

Sheesh.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Oct 27, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

likely he forgot about this:

or this:

fisher is on this team because he brings much needed veteran leadership to the others…
he may be getting old and he might not be able to keep up with chris paul and etc. but he still understands the team’s offense extremely well compared to farmar and brown, both who are not fully ready for a starting position…and as many have said, he still in solid shape and he has had very few run in’s with injury because of that…

When I look at Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of the romantics... -The Great Bill Walton

by shaqfor3 on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what happend when we got fish back

even before we got gasol you could tell the team was playing better. he brings something that alot of teams need, leadership.

by true_lakerfan on Oct 27, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure we hit #1 in the nba.com powerrankings twice before we got Gasol

the year that Fisher came back. The Lakers were contenders without Gasol before Bynum went down.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on guys, cut the poster some slack

a lot of folks might have agreed with him back in may (prior to the orlando series)
fish is definitely on the decline
still, he definitely does brings more intangibles than what the court shows.
they’ll definitely be cutting his minutes, though

by Nostance on Oct 27, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fisher is clutch

and besides that he brings so much more to the team in veteran leadership along with the chemistry he has with Kobe.

Retire? No freakin way.

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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Oct 27, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course


a fan of
Portland Trail Blazers

by intuitive on Oct 28, 2009 12:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GREG ODEN IS TOO OLD… JUST RETIRE ALREADY!!!!!!

by brianfbb on Oct 28, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is too funny brianfbb

"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 28, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought to myself that Greg Oden could pass as Lebron's dad

apparently that is a huge topic on the internet… that is too funny.


"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 28, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

D-Fish has accomplished more than Andre Miller ever will.

Sorry, did the truth hurt?

But yeah, agreeing with my comrades here. He’s a co-captain for a reason-Kobe trusts him. And while I think he should start (out of veteran respect), I don’t think he should play 30-35 min a game. He should play 15-20 and let Jordie and UPS divy up the rest.

We’re fine, so thanks for your concern. But you have much more important things to worry about, like Greg Oden’s knees, which is apparently more fragile than my Grandma’s vase collection~

by Mike1204 on Oct 28, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

813 if he left the Lakers your team would be one of the ones bidding for him

D-Fish is a stabilizing force to the offensive units and is teaching Jordan and Shannon to help further there progression into #1 grades in the NBA (Lakers, Spurs, Celtics). Look some day you guys might make it back to the real NBA, so maybe you should be worried about your Gangsters.

Player: coach Wooden how do ya bounce the ball

Wooden: ups and downs

Player: thanks you are a wizzs

by so.cal.native1952 on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Intangibles, intangibles, intangibles

Besides Kobe, he’s the leader of this locker room, a stabilizing influence that Phil relies on to keep everyone in check. There’s a reason he was the one with the mic last night to unveil the championship banner instead of Kobe.

And besides that, he recorded a 12.15 PER last year. You could do hell of a lot worse for a PG that plays 20-25 minutes a night, and practically no one would bring the same intangibles that Fisher brings to this team. And while we’re on the subject of stats, FG% is deceptive because so many of his shots were threes and midrange jumps shots. Adjust for that accordingly, and his TS% was 54.6, a pretty solid number. And as practically everyone here will tell you, APG is meaningless in the triangle where Fisher is essentially a glorified two guard because Kobe initiates the offense so often.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Fisher like any Laker fan would but...

I don’t think any of us would consider him an all-star point guard, just like none of us would consider Robert Horry an all star

by LongLiveLA on Oct 28, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fisher on the Lakers is a Nash equilibrium

The Lakers are the best Fisher can do, given the circumstances, and Fisher is the best the Lakers can do, given the circumstances. The former should be pretty obvious, given what our talent level is, and the latter is, well, it’s not as though there aren’t PGs that would fit in with the Lakers as well or better than Fisher does. We just can’t get them.

Of course, if we were talking about most other teams, Fisher would be a substantial liability. He can’t be a primary playmaker or a lockdown defender. But as other folks have noted, on the Lakers, he doesn’t need to be. Phil Jackson has done a fantastic job of setting his team up so that Fisher fits in as well as he possibly can.

When I heard he was returning to the Lakers—and as I recall this happened while there was still a possibility Kobe would still demand to leave the team—I felt that his addition was exactly what was needed to make sure Kobe would not leave. Whatever other faults he might have, Kobe has always repaid loyalty and dedication with the same, and you can’t deny that Fisher provides that in spades. That plus the fact that they came into the league together and that Fisher has provided some of the touchstone moments of the Lakers franchise made it inevitable (to me, at least) that Kobe would dig in for the long haul.

Even so, Fisher has outperformed the modest standards I had imagined for him. My hope and expectation is that his assets don’t depend very much on athleticism (which he never had much of anyway) and more on hustle and a cool head (despite the occasional PUJIT). This team needs someone who knows when not to just dump Kobe the ball and who also has the history with Kobe to say no to him. I’m not sure who else on the Lakers can replace that.

by BrianTung on Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fisher should stay

1) Derek was getting blitzed by smaller, faster guards during the Shaq years, so this is nothing new. What is new is the quantity of small, quick, quality PG’s in the league. It seems like he is getting slower because there are more guys blazing by him. 2) The Magic made lots of 3’s against everybody, so this point is moot. 3) Fisher has fewer opportunities due to the Lakers having more scoring options ahead of him (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom) than before (Shaq, Kobe). The real complaint should be how his 3-point average is dropping.

Until the Lakers have a reliable, competent replacement for Fish, lay off the "retire" angle. I’ll take the cagey veteran over the unpredictable rookie any day. As soon as Farmar or Brown is ready, Fish will step aside.

Get in the way? Isn’t it revealing that Kobe & Co. started getting back to the finals after the return of Fish? Wake up, man.

by Desiwill3 on Oct 29, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs


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