Point Guard Positional Preview
Ladies and gentlemen, Silver Screen and Roll is officially back in business. Over the next week and a half, we’ll be doing wall to wall season previews to get you ready for the season. Here’s a brief overview of what we’ve got planned for you.
· A positional preview that will give you everything you need to know about who’s on our team and how much they are likely to affect our season. We’ll do one for each of the 5 positions on the court, and the coaching staff.
· Dexter will return to analyze (as only he can) the likely statistical trends for the Lakers in the coming season
· Rye will return to provide a historical perspective, taking a look back at past Lakers champions and how their pursuit of a repeat title played out.
· I’ll be doing a short preview of all the main contenders to the Lakers’ crown
· We’ll wrap things up with our familiar roundtable style as all the authors will predict season records and provide quick snippets about the season as a whole.
So don’t go anywhere and check in every day, because we’ve got you covered for Lakers coverage. Starting things off is the point guard position.
It’s not at all a stretch to say that point guard is the weakest position on the Lakers’ roster. Actually, that is an undeniable fact. Point guard is the weakest position on the Lakers’ roster. Of course, when you have a potential All-Star at every other position on the court, it’s not necessarily bad, just reasonable. Phil Jackson-coached teams have long eschewed the traditional point guard, preferring instead to have strong defensive guards who can shoot from distance, and every one of PJ’s 10 championships have been won without an elite point guard. So it shouldn’t be a surprise if the Lakers’ choices for the point don’t jump out at you by themselves. However, while it isn’t the strongest position on the Lakers roster, it is the deepest. The Lakers have three quality point guards, all of whom are likely to see time this season. They are all here to fill a specific role within the offense or defense. Without further ado, let’s get to know our point guards a little bit better.
Derek Fisher
Derek Fisher has been around this game for a long, long time. He is entering his 14th year as a pro, and any basketball fan will tell you that if you’ve managed to make it that long in the league, you’re doing something right. There are a lot of things that Derek does right, which counteract the few things he does wrong to make him a worthwhile addition to any team. First off, he never misses a game. In his 13 seasons, he’s missed more than 10 games only 3 times, and it hasn’t happened once in the last 7 years. Since rejoining the Lakers in 2007, Fisher has played in every single meaningful game over the last two seasons, something only he and Kobe (ironically the two oldest players on the team) have accomplished. On the Lakers, a team filled with youngsters and very few veterans, his presence is often felt when it’s needed the most. Lamar Odom may be the heart of this team, and Kobe is the soul, and perhaps PJ is the brains, but Fisher is undoubtedly the voice. In last year’s playoffs, it was a speech by Fisher that inspired the Lakers to pull out a difficult victory in Denver in Game 3 of the Western Conference Finals. And no one can forget the ridiculous, clutch, three pointers which allowed the Lakers to take Game 4 of the NBA Finals in Orlando, and announced to the world that the Lakers were championship quality. Those shots would be far and away the best moments of a career for most players, but for Fisher, they are simply filed away in a HUGE folder marked "I am awesome when it counts". It is for these reasons: consistency, leadership, and ability to perform in crunch time that we are willing to forgive his failings. Forgive, but not overlook.
Derek Fisher was born in 1974, which means he’s 35 years old. In NBA terms, that’s a dinosaur. His advancing age has one, extremely important, consequence. Fisher is losing his foot speed, and there are times when it absolutely kills the Lakers on defense. Any time the Lakers go up against a team with a quick point guard, the Lakers always have the opportunity to lose, because you can count on Fisher getting burned. If the other team capitalizes when the rest of the team rotates to cover Fisher’s man, it’ll be a struggle to get stops all night long for the purple and gold. A quick guard, against Fisher, doesn’t need a screen to get into the lane. He just has to pick a direction and go.
Last season, Fisher also struggled mightily with his shot, and that, more than the lack of defensive ability, got us Lakers fans riled up. We know Fisher is a liability on defense (in certain situations), but he’s supposed to be just what the doctor ordered on offense. He knows the triangle better than I know my mother, he is normally a good outside shooter, and a veteran of his caliber should always be making the right decisions with the ball. Instead, there were lots of times when Fisher would take shots outside the offense, he went through a huge slump that included the first month of the playoffs, and his penchant for (missing) the Pull Up Jumper in Transition led me to declare PUJIT as a swear word. At some point, nearly all of Lakers Nation was calling for the coaching staff to pull Fisher for quicker Jordan Farmar or the more athletic Shannon Brown. Thank God for all of us that the coaching staff doesn’t really listen to our opinions. But, that being said, if Fisher returns to the form he was in at the end of the season last year, taking a ton of shots that don’t fit in the offense and not making enough to justify them, us fans will again wonder if it’s time for Fisher to take a back seat to the up and comers.
Jordan Farmar
Jordan Farmar is entering into the most important season of his young career. He’s got a lot to prove, and he doesn’t seem to have a very favorable position with which to make his case. Four years removed from leaving UCLA as a sophomore, and celebrating his 23rd birthday a month into the season, Farmar is in his very first contract year. In his case, Farmar is stuck in a classic Catch-22. He needs to perform well individually to boost his value, but the more he attempts to do things with that mentality, the less time he will get on the court. I said before that Phil Jackson eschews the traditional point guard. Unfortunately for Farmar, he is the traditional point guard. The Lakers roster is filled with players who fit into the team’s model, and are more valuable to the Lakers than they would be to another franchise running a different system. Farmar is the only player on the roster who is in the exact opposite situation. His strengths do not mesh well with the team’s goals.
Those strengths: Quickness, athleticism, and ability to create shots for both himself and others. Farmar is far and away the quickest player on this team. In fact, when 100% healthy, he’s one of the quicker players in the league. He’s not on the level with Tony Parker or Devin Harris, but he’s a lot closer than you might think. And Jordan is a great athlete. People seem to have forgotten this because of the pogo stick ability of Shannon "UPS" Brown, but Farmar isn’t lacking in the athleticism gene pool. This is a guy who’s 6-2, and yet the coaching staff would routinely draw up lobs for Farmar two years ago. And Farmar is the most adept on the team (except maybe Kobe) at creating a shot for himself or others. He’s a good passer, and could lead the team in assists easily if he played more. On the other side of the coin, he’s not particularly strong, and even though he’s got great quickness, he can’t seem to stay in front of quick guards. Oh, and he’s got a bad attitude and selfish tendencies.
Last season was a terrible one for Jordan, even as his team found great success. I even wrote a piece specifically defending him because he had the type of year that could haunt you for an entire career. In his 2nd season (two years ago), Farmar made the league take notice that he could be a very good player in the future. While I don’t buy into PER too much, I think it works to illustrate the point in this case. In 07-08, Farmar’s PER was 15.4, slightly better than your average NBA player. For a 2nd year guard, that type of number speaks of big things. All signs were that Farmar would be a good starting PG in the league. Last year, his PER dropped to 9.9, which is the type of number that players barely hanging onto a roster spot provide. And for us fans, there was a great deal more concern about Farmar’s attitude than about his play. For the last six weeks of the regular season, Farmar looked like a petulant child. He’d throw lazy passes, hoist bad shots, and do it all with a look of disgust on his face. His playing time shrunk from 21 per game in November to 16 per game in April. It was a bad, bad scene, one made worse by the introduction of Shannon Brown as another option for backup point guard. Farmar could have just given up at that point and convinced himself that the coaches just didn’t like him, or that he wasn’t going to get much chance anyway, so he might as well just be completely selfish. He didn’t do that, and his play started to improve in the playoffs, even as his minutes dwindled further. For me, that was the first of many steps he needs to take in order to regain the status he had two years ago as a feared change of pace guard off the bench.
This season, still in the 3rd trimester of its pregnancy, has been a mixed bag for Farmar. He’s made comments that clearly indicate he wants to be a starter in this league, and it doesn’t have to be with the Lakers. Said comments have allowed the stigma of selfishness and over-confidence to stick around him. His play in the preseason has been OK. Not bad, not great. Farmar was at his best two seasons ago, leading the fast break charge of the Bench Mob, with Ariza by his side, Bynum trailing, and the Machine ready to drain a 3 if the defense collapsed too much. The Lakers don’t really have the same style of personnel (i.e. there’s no one to fill the wing like Ariza did) to execute that style of 2nd unit again (unless they make changes that I suggested here), so it will be interesting to see if they attempt to get the most that they can out of Farmar, or just try to fit him into what they want his position to do. If it’s the former, Farmar could have a very nice little bounce back year. If it’s the latter, Farmar might struggle again, and it wouldn’t be too much of a surprise to see him get traded come mid-season.
Shannon Brown
Shannon Brown came out of nowhere to stake a claim on Lakers fans’ hearts last season. Whether you loved him because of his ridiculous hops and athleticism, his surprisingly good shooting, his dashing good looks, or his humility, the fact is, you love him. It’s almost impossible not to. There are a large number of Laker lovers who will list Shannon Brown as their favorite player. Shannon Brown is almost the anti-Farmar. Where Farmar is considered selfish and over-confident, Brown is considered selfless and humble. Where Farmar is a good player who might not fit our system, Shannon Brown is a player perfectly suited to the Triangle. There are a lot of holes in his game, but his strengths are exactly what Phil Jackson wants in a point guard.
Let’s dig a little deeper into his strengths. His athleticism is out of this world. This is just an opinion, but I think he’s a top 5 athlete in the league. I think he’s a better athlete than Kobe ever was. Put simply, there wasn’t much left in the gene pool after the creation of Shannon Brown. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, just go to youtube, type in his name, and enjoy the next 30 minutes of your life. But he’s not just limited to jumping. He’s got great strength for a man his size, and decent quickness as well. In terms of raw ability, you just can’t top what he brings to the table. He’s not traditionally been a great shooter, especially from the outside (32% lifetime), but last season he shot the ball very well in limited minutes for the Lakeshow. If he can continue that shooting, Brown is almost the perfect fit for what PJ wants out of his position, because he is clearly the best defensive option at the point guard position. It is for this reason that the Lakers shelled out 2 million a year for 2 years for a player that might well end up as 3rd on the depth chart.
Why would a player of such obvious merit end up 3rd? Well, there are a lot of holes to his game. He doesn’t know the triangle very well, or at least, he didn’t last year. We as fans will probably never know exactly how well Brown is doing with the offense, but here’s a clue. If he’s getting a lot of playing time, the coaches are comfortable with him. If he’s not, lack of knowledge of the triangle is probably the reason. Also, he is not a good ball handler which, as a guard, is normally a pretty bad sign. He’s raw in every sense of the word related to basketball. In the preseason, Brown has not shot the ball well, and the offense has not performed well as a whole while he’s in the game. He’s not necessarily to blame for it, but it is the case. Neither sign points to Brown having a breakout season, but that would be reading too much into games that don’t matter anyway. It should be noted that in the most recent game, where the Lakers were forced to go small because they were missing ½ their front court, Shannon Brown was the guard who got the starting nod, over both Farmar and Vujacic (who is a shooting guard). Whether that means Brown is our guard of the future or not is up to you.
Overview
Fisher is guaranteed to be the starter, and would have to start single-handedly losing games over and over again before PJ would change that. Jackson has been in the trenches with Fisher for too many years, and knows what he is capable of when it matters the most, so don’t look for Fisher to lose the starting role unless something drastic happens. That said, Fisher’s playing time will decrease so that he’s only playing a little bit over 1/2 the game (the target is 26-28 mpg). So there is plenty of opportunity for Brown and Farmar to make their marks. On a championship team trying to repeat, it’s likely that each guard will get playing time when the situation calls for it. If the Lakers are playing a team with a super quick guard, Farmar will likely get the nod for increased minutes off the bench. If the Lakers are going against a stronger, bigger point, Brown will get most of the reserve minutes. It will be interesting to see how the Lakers coaches utilize their players at this position, because it’s very rare for an NBA team to legitimately play three different players at one position over the course of a season. Jackson did so in last year’s playoffs, and they were able to win that way, but I’m not sure they could keep it up over an entire year. It will also be interesting to see how Farmar handles the situation if he’s losing large chunks of playing time to Brown. As mentioned previously, if there’s one player on the Lakers roster that is the most likely to be moved this season, it’s Farmar. He’s got the talent and a small enough contract to be desired by other teams, but in the end, he just might not fit into the puzzle here in LA.
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Great write up. Lots of good stuff.
I think I will googletube Shannon Brown (yeah I just made up a word………….royalties???) Anyway, I agree with just about all of it. Especially about Farmar’s attitude. Personally I would favor Brown over Farmar but that is more about attitude than ability.
One nit to pick. Technically Fisher HAS missed an important game in the last 7 years. Remember knocking the shit out of Scola? Of course you were talking about health so it’s a pretty weak nit.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
on Fisher
I read/saw somewhere that some of the players feel that Fisher’s foul against Scola was a turning point in that series. So while technically he missed the game, his presence and attitude was still there the following game. I can’t imagine Farmar or Shannon having the savvy and/or experience to give that foul at that time in a pivotal game. Sure, Fisher probably didn’t figure into the foul that the team would have some renewed energy and toughness because of it, but he still took the chance and did it anyway.
Kind of a long response to your small nit… :)
PSlakerfan 1, C.A. zero
I was talking about health, and I sort of meant the regular season as well, but the point is yours.
Well considering you did the whole post...........
and I could only find one minor mistake (a technicality at best) I can live with PS 1, CA 1.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
good post ca as usual
i have been here hella long just not commenting. Expect alot of comments and posts from me this year. I actually expect point guard to be a strength this year for us. Yes i said a strength. As u said, NOBODY in the league has 3 different types of point guards to go against.
I hope so
after watching some of the preseason guard play thus far, I don’t know that I am as confident as you are. And good point on the having 3 good options to throw into the mix to stop/go against other guards in the league.
I don't know about a strength, I'd be satisfied with not a weakness.
You are right in saying that the Lakers depth at that spot is a good thing, and allows them to be capable of handling a lot and throwing a lot of different looks at other teams. But when it comes down to it, there are plenty of teams in the NBA who will get more out of their point guard minutes than we will, so I don’t think we’ll be able to call our point guard play strong.
And it doesn’t have to be. Like I said, Phil has never had a great (or even very good) point guard on one of his championship runs. In our offense, it’s kind of a moot point anyways.
as long as we don't have to hear about the Yankees.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
If the Angels middle infield didn't suck
you wouldn’t have to worry about hearing so much about the Yankees
It doesn't suck.............
It has just sucked the last two games. Unless 2 games is an acceptable sample size.
Actually Aybar and Izturis have been quite good all season.
Now if you want to discuss Vlad Guerrero and Brian Fuentes, that is a different story.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Well I guess that would make us.....
PS 2, CA 1
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Not claiming victory on the results of the games.....
that would be stupid. Simply claiming victory on the argument that you apparently weren’t prepared to make.
Angels have sucked the last two games, but not because their middle infield “sucks”.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Unless we want to say right now that......
Ron Artest and Shannon Brown suck because their last two games haven’t been very good.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
last I checked, preseason games count a little bit less than postseason
I think that’s good enough for 2:2
switch Shannon Brown and Artest for two Angels Infielders
and let them play in each others games and see who plays better in each others sports.
probably the best way to have a definitive judgement here
Call PJ and Scoscia
LOL.....
not sure what would happen, but seeing Aybar and Izturis on a basketball court would be pretty funny. Almost as funny as seeing Artest playing shortstop.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
ha ha ha.....
forgot about that.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
That picture is hilarious!
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
true, but.......
that doesn’t change the size of the sample.
Maybe they choked, but that doesn’t mean they are suddenly sucky players simply based on two games (or in reality a couple of plays).
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Well
I honestly rather not hear about anything Boston related. I see the Yankees as more of a Laker type team in the sense that people hate the Lakers just for being good.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
acutally they hate the Yankees for a lot more reasons.....
Really, really obnoxious fans. Double the average payroll of most teams, etc.
I am not jealous of their 26 championships. They have earned them, they are a great franchise. That isn’t why I can’t stand them or their fans (well most of them anyway).
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Imagine next season the Knicks sign
LeBron, and D-Wade, and Chris Bosh………..but don’t pay any luxury tax. Would you hate them because of their history……….or maybe something else.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
dam
The knicks signing any of those would be crazy. I see them signing D Wade and/or Bosh. Besides, Wade has actually led a team to a title. But I would not be jealous of any other NBA team. The Knicks have a great tradition because of their “Mecca Of Basketball” title but that is it. The Lakers have a great chance of passing the Celtics and then all arguments will be over as the best NBA team of all time.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.....
that’s why I said hate, not jealousy.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
good point!
yeah Hate! would be more fitting.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice article
But I think your underselling Fish as a good defender. I mean ya, he struggles against quick PGs but tell me, WHO DOESNT struggle against the quick PGs. If you watch him carefully, hes a great defender on the physical guards as you saw in the WCFs last yr when Billups had a pretty awfull series offensively for his standards. Fish was guarding him most of the time. He may not be Shannon as far as a defensive stopper but I seriously dont think hes anymore of a liability against a quick PG than any other guard whos defending them.
Who doesn't struggle against quick guards ...
Other quick guards defending them?
I sort of see your point, but for me you are treating it too much as black and white. There are degrees of getting beaten off the dribble, and Fisher is beaten by all the degrees possible. Anybody will struggle to stay in front of a scat guard like Parker, but Fisher ends up not even in the picture. And he was getting beat by more than just the quickest guards. There were lots of small guards who aren’t considered huge offensive threats, but would look like an All Star playing against our team.
Fisher has always been a good physical defender, and you are right on point in saying that he helped to make Chancey Billups miserable in the WCF.
even the quick guards dont defend other quick guards well
come on man, its not like he was getting beat from just 1 on 1 all the time. It was mostly from screens where he has a difficult time getting through. When do you not see eltie quick guards get contained by anybody? Even the quick guards defending them. It just doesnt happen. Fish is a better defender than you give him credit for man. I’d take him to guard elite PGs over a large portion of players in the league.
by desecrator09 on Oct 18, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
So why isn't Aaron Brooks scoring 20 a night against everybody.
He sure was unstoppable against the Lakers.
I don’t think Fisher is a bad defender, in the sense that he knows what he’s doing and he’s very strong, but he clearly is a slow one. And I think you’re way off on the screen thing. If anything, Fisher is our best when it comes to fighting through screens, so if that were the problem, he’d be our best defensive option. Fisher got beat quite a bit without a screen last year, and that is where he really hurts the Lakers defensively.
he did pretty well against the Blazers
and that was against steve blake who isnt that slow and Rodriguez who isnt either. I just dont agree with you that hes as slow as you think. I watched his defense very carefully last yr to see how well he held up, and i noticed most of the times he got beat was from screens. Of course, he occasionally got beat off the dribble but that was usually against the more elite PGs. The guy is a solid defender against most PGs. I guess we just disagree on this issue and thats cool with me :)
by desecrator09 on Oct 18, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that is a great point about Aaron Brooks.
I think that it could possibly be that the Lakers zone defense could be the problem and the rest of us (including) myself put too much of the blame on Fisher when in reality we need to also look at the fact that the Laker team as a whole is bad at defending pick n rolls and quick point guards. It is the Lakers kryptonite.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Great article
The PG position is the most intriguing storyline of the Lakers this year. I personally think that the Lakers have already decided what direction they are going to go. They are going to keep this trio of pg’s but I feel that there will be a change by the trade deadline because of the following facts:
•About two weeks after they won the title the Lakers attempted to trade Farmar to the Rockets.
•The Lakers signed S. Brown to a two year contract.
•Derek Fisher has made Mitch aware that he plans to play beyond this season.
•The Lakers have until 10/31/2009 to sign Farmar to an extension or he will become a Free Agent, which according to the LA Times they will not.
That being said I think the Lakers will trade Farmar by the trade deadline and keep Fisher long enough to mentor S. Brown. Either way, Farmar is not in their plans. I do think that if Bynum plays a full season for once that will alleviate situations where Fisher is burned on defense. Every laker team where Fisher was the PG has been weak on defense but having Shaq in the middle to back him up masked that weakness. Does anyone remember what Troy Hudson did to the Lakers?
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions
Great points.
There does seem to be a pattern to their actions. That pattern sounds like Fisher and Brown, bye bye Farmar. Also consider Brown plays both guard positions and isn’t a free agent with a major attitude.
To me the choice is fairly clear. Farmar may have a slightly higher upside, but a much greater downside.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Thnx
I just think that Farmar has had plenty of Years to show that he is a starter and Brown has had half a season. It’s time to give Brown that same opportunity that Farmar has been given and when it is all said and done Brown has a huge opportunit if he can improve his ball handling skills and learns the triangle.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
What we are really saying here is......
They are about equal players, but one has a better attitude, is more versatile, more athletic, and cheaper. Seems simple to me.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
100%
agree. attitude to me is his greatest attribute. He is not going to work hard just because the Lakers sign another PG. Just like Farmar did when Crittention was drafted. Brown will work hard regardless.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you can read too much into the pending free agency of Farmar
If the Lakers don’t sign him to an extension (and they won’t), Farmar will be come a restricted free agent, so the Lakers would have the opportunity to match any contract he is offered.
In truth, this is an important year for all of the point guards on this team. Fisher will be a free agent at the end of the year, Farmar will be a restricted free agent, and Brown has a player option in his contract, so if he has a great year he can opt out and also be a free agent.
Basically what I’m saying is that I don’t think the ship has sailed on anything yet. The Lakers like what Brown brings to the table, and of the three, I definitely think that Farmar is the most likely to move on, but I think this season will be what determines who the Lakers pursue next season.
In regards to free agence, I think the days where the Lakers sign a player without seeing his market value are over. Look at Sasha, Luke Walton and V. Rodmanavich’s past contracts and then look at what they did to Ariza and LO. They told them to come back with an offer they can counter rather than just give them an extension. The only problem for Farmar is that the Lakers have all the leverage because they have Brown and don’t nececesarily need him. Something tells me that this year will be his best year statistically.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Why stop at 3 guards?
I say we re-sign Mike Penberthy :)
(add more Laker Guards of old below)
I would say Tyronn Lue
but we don’t want Iverson stepping over him all of the time in front of the Lakers bench
Can anyone answer the following?
What does it mean when a player has a qualifying offer for their final year of their contract?
I am a bit confused because both Farmar and Morrisson are signed until 2010/2011 but their contracts state that the 2010/2011 as a qualifying offer year.
This blog has the most intelligen Laker fans I have ever met so I know someone will know the answer.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions
Well this is from Wikipedia, but it sounds about right.
There are two types of free agency under the NBA’s Collective Bargaining Agreement: Unrestricted and Restricted. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any team, but a restricted free agent is subject to his current team’s Right of First Refusal, meaning that the player can be signed to an offer sheet by another team, but his current club reserves the right to match the offer and keep the player. An offer sheet is a contract offer of at least 2 years made to a restricted free agent. The player’s current club has 7 days to match the offer or loses the player to the new team. For 1st-round draft picks, restricted free agency is only allowed after a team exercises its option for a fourth year, and the team makes a Qualifying Offer at the Rookie-scale amount after the fourth year is completed. For any other player to be a restricted free agent, he must be at most a three-year NBA veteran, and his team must have made a Qualifying Offer for either 125% of his previous season’s salary or the minimum salary plus $150,000, whichever offer is higher.
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thnx for going through the trouble of finding that. That makes a lot of sense.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
To make it simpler
Farmar and Morrison both become restricted free agents after this season if the Lakers choose to extend a qualifying offer (in other words, continuing their contract for one more year). Extending the QO gives the Lakers the right to match any contract that Farmar or Morrison sign with any other team. Now, if the Lakers don’t extend the QO (which they probably won’t for Morrison), then they effectively become unrestricted free agents, and can sign with any other team.
The advantage of restricted free agents is largely that other teams are reluctant to give them a contract and tie up their cap space (especially next summer, which is going to be a frenzy of signings) for seven days and in some cases, risk the contract being matched if the player’s current team is willing to match, as seen in the case of Gortat and Millsap this summer. There’s a reason both Lee and Robinson accepted one-year contracts to return to New York because everyone didn’t know whether Walsh would match a somewhat reasonable offer and wasn’t willing to throw an enormous contract at either to get Walsh to back down.
On the other hand, if we want to use Farmar or Morrison as trade chips, the team we trade them to simply doesn’t have to extend the QO, effectively making them expiring contracts. That said, if we want to use them as trade chips, we have to do so now, as restricted free agents are notoriously hard to trade due to BYC rules.
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It always amazes me how much fans know about the sport. Some of you guys need to be working on something sports-realted. Thank you for the explanation.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Made a Fanshot of this topic this morning
too bad no one decided to comment haha.
Anyways, you can read it for my opinion. I definitely think Farmar is the clear choice. He’s a PG, Shannon isn’t.
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by mrbarneydangles on Oct 18, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions
I think you mean Fanpost.
I saw it, sorry I didn’t comment. I didn’t have enough time to type my comment and later I forgot about it. My bad.
Anyway I disagree about Farmar. Mostly because the Triangle doesn’t really need a PG, at least not in the traditional sense. Shannon is definitely more of a SG in my opinion, but if he can handle the ball reasonably well, make good decisions, and guard opposing PG’s then I don’t see any difference. Other than not being a PG, I think Shannon has the better up side. He is cheaper (assuming he picks up his player option), he has a MUCH better attitude, he is much more athletic, and seems to be a better defender.
Like I said above. They seem pretty equal on the court, however Brown having the better attitude, better athleticism, stronger body, etc. makes him the better choice.
Of course all of this may change by next June. The good thing is we have 3 somewhat unique options at PG to use this year, plus LO, or Kobe if necessary.
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I think Farmar is doing a better job of actually running the offense. He does a better job of setting up players which is crucial for the second unit. Shannon can’t really create any offense for anyone but himself.
In the long run I think neither will be the “Laker PG of the future” however I just think Farmar better fits the bill. Hopefully his attitude will change this year.
Another note if mentioned before on this issue is: will we run the triangle after Phil? If the answer is no, Farmar may be a better fit, the triangle really hinders his ability/strengths.
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by mrbarneydangles on Oct 18, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point about the post-Phil years.....
That may be an issue.
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Mrbarneydangles
I just read your fanpost. Great stuff. I think that the only reason why (Personally speaking) for me it is hard to pick Farmar over S. Brown is that Farmar has been given 3 years to Brown’s half a season and he looks more promising than any year that I have seen Farmar play as a Laker. Not sure if you read that Farmar said that what motivated him to work out was the Lakers signing of Crittenton. So my question is, so if the Lakers didn’t sign him does that mean he wouldn’t of tried or worked out harder? Judging from Brown’s attitude (see exit interview on YouTube) he doesn’t need anymore motivation. He will work hard regardless.
Finally I just want to say that there is no doubt that Farmar will look like he is running the triangle better he has been at it for three years. Give Brown three years and I believe we have a starter. Just my opinion.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Oct 18, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Silver Screen and Roll
Funny that the name of the blog is Silver Screen and Roll, Yet the screen and roll is not really Laker style…. yet. I think that Jordan Farmar could help the team add the screen and roll to their arsenal. Give Jordan and his accelerated play a shot. He gets more assists than Brown and Fish. Let’s use the guy that can give our 5 all stars more open looks.

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